Ocean56

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#21 Mar 30, 2012
Kathwynn wrote:
Writing out a list is a very good idea. Also writing out a list of what they think would be their freedoms during and after the pregnancy. Listing all the things that would have to change during the pregnancy and after the baby arrival.
Then compare that list to a real world life of what really does change. I think more than a few eyes would be open to what that twenty minute little bit of fun would really cost them.
That's an excellent idea too. From what I have seen on the new season of the "16 and Pregnant" documentary, both girls have said that things were a LOT harder than they expected when they first got pregnant. They did not know how much they would have to give up due to pregnancy and teen motherhood.

Neither of the girls are happy about being teen mothers now, and wish they had not had sex and GOTTEN pregnant in the first place. Life would have been a lot easier for them if they hadn't.
good wife

San Antonio, TX

#22 Mar 30, 2012
Hindsight is 20/20
Ocean56

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#23 Mar 30, 2012
Here's a great article that provides a lot of food for thought.

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Lee Woodruff: Advice To My Daughters: Keep An Oar In The Water

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-woodruff/oa...

Posted 3/28/12 10:14am

My own mother's words loomed large before I got pregnant: "Do the things you want to do before you get married and have babies." And it was great advice.

By the time I gave birth to our first child, I had climbed the ladder in the marketing world, traveled and lived overseas. My dream was to write a book, and although I had cranked out a few measly chapters when we returned from a year in China, I didn't have the J.K. Rowling in me to do it in between a full-time job and my newly married life.

A mere two years later, our son was born into a time of personal transition. My husband was leaving the security of the legal world and the moneyed track to be a broadcast journalist. If I'd had any desire to stay home with this new baby, it was snuffed out by our new economic reality. We qualified for food stamps in the state of California.

Moving around the country to bigger TV markets, having another baby, keeping my freelance writing and marketing business stoked was an enormous juggling act. There were many times I envied the moms who played tennis and lunched, the ones who didn't feel the weight of financial contribution.

To read the entire article, click on the link below.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-woodruff/oa...
Ocean56

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#24 Mar 30, 2012
Because I WASN'T a Teen Mom

Drawing on my own life experience, I can honestly say that life tends to be much easier for teen girls who are NOT teen moms. Why? Because girls who aren't teen moms aren't overwhelmed with adult responsibilities before they've even completed high school, that's why.

Because I wasn't a teen mom, I was able to complete all my classes, assignments, and tests as a high school student. After graduating high school and having a two-month summer vacation, I began a vocational program that September and successfully completed that program nine months later. A few weeks after that, I accepted a job offer in New York City and things just got better from there. Working at my job gave me chances to earn a good full-time salary with benefits, take classes to learn more job skills -- at company expense -- and advance to jobs with higher salaries.

None of that would have been possible if I had gotten pregnant at 16 and become a teen mom. Having a baby would have made even doing homework and studying for tests in high school very difficult, if not impossible. I might even have had to drop out of school, as some of these girls have done, and wouldn't have gotten my high school diploma. It wouldn't have been possible for me to go to vocational school or work full-time at a top company either. For me to accomplish all that I had wanted for myself, it required me to be a free teen rather than a teen mom.

Girls can do so much when they are encouraged by parents and community to pursue their educations including college or vocational school and then get good jobs and careers. I was very fortunate to have parents that encouraged education and career for me, and cautioned me on the very real dangers to my dreams that having sex and possibly getting pregnant would cause. Thanks to them, both my sister and I knew what types of situations with guys to avoid to make sure we DIDN'T get pregnant as teenagers. I wish all girls could have the same opportunities for a good education, good employment, and economic independence, and to have great parents who encourage them in those dreams.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#25 Mar 30, 2012
Because I was not a teen dad. I was able to graduate high school. I had an opportunity to enlist. Lost the chance do to a knee injury.

Do to some miss steps on my part ended up homeless. Decided to make lemonade out of the lemons I was handed. traveled around the country on freight cars. followed the grateful Dead. Yes I was one of those long haired people in Tye dyes.

Met people from all over the world. Stayed more or less homeless as I worked in various theaters as a grip for a short time as a roadie for bands that do no longer exist.

Lived a life that while was never going to make me rich. Was still one that at times was better than working a traditional 9 to 5 job. Went from a fundamentalist/evangelical christian to a Wiccan and then became a Wiccan Priest

At about thirty I decided I wanted to settle down. Married. Fathered a child. Divorced. Married a second time. I never learn...:>

Any ways now almost 50 I have a memories having known people both rich and poor. Famous and would be famous. Scam artists and optimists. Pragmatists and devout. Even have met some of the movie stars at parties. Where I was a friend of a friend.... Of a friend.. LOL

All because I chose not to become a teen dad.
Grindmaster

Stilfontein, South Africa

#27 Mar 30, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
Because I WASN'T a Teen Mom
Drawing on my own life experience, I can honestly say that life tends to be much easier for teen girls who are NOT teen moms. Why? Because girls who aren't teen moms aren't overwhelmed with adult responsibilities before they've even completed high school, that's why.
Because I wasn't a teen mom, I was able to complete all my classes, assignments, and tests as a high school student. After graduating high school and having a two-month summer vacation, I began a vocational program that September and successfully completed that program nine months later. A few weeks after that, I accepted a job offer in New York City and things just got better from there. Working at my job gave me chances to earn a good full-time salary with benefits, take classes to learn more job skills -- at company expense -- and advance to jobs with higher salaries.
None of that would have been possible if I had gotten pregnant at 16 and become a teen mom. Having a baby would have made even doing homework and studying for tests in high school very difficult, if not impossible. I might even have had to drop out of school, as some of these girls have done, and wouldn't have gotten my high school diploma. It wouldn't have been possible for me to go to vocational school or work full-time at a top company either. For me to accomplish all that I had wanted for myself, it required me to be a free teen rather than a teen mom.
Girls can do so much when they are encouraged by parents and community to pursue their educations including college or vocational school and then get good jobs and careers. I was very fortunate to have parents that encouraged education and career for me, and cautioned me on the very real dangers to my dreams that having sex and possibly getting pregnant would cause. Thanks to them, both my sister and I knew what types of situations with guys to avoid to make sure we DIDN'T get pregnant as teenagers. I wish all girls could have the same opportunities for a good education, good employment, and economic independence, and to have great parents who encourage them in those dreams.
What a crappy life you have!!!
Ocean56

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#28 Mar 30, 2012
Grindmaster wrote:
What a crappy life you have!!!
OPINIONS aren't facts, in case you can't tell the difference.
Axx

Plattsburg, MO

#29 Mar 30, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
In order to try and prevent the occurrence of teen pregnancy and teen parenthood as much as humanly possible, more information on teen pregnancy needs to be made available in more places.

Teen pregnancy is a wonderful thing and used to be the norm.

Girls going to college before they get married, or instead of getting married, has been the problem causing population collapse.

Enuff of the anti-family brainwashing.

Axx

Plattsburg, MO

#30 Mar 30, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
Because I WASN'T a Teen Mom
Drawing on my own life experience, I can honestly say that life tends to be much easier for teen girls who are NOT teen moms. Why? Because girls who aren't teen moms aren't overwhelmed with adult responsibilities before they've even completed high school, that's why.

That's when family happens. You get married and start a family in your youth or it may never happen.

The state knows this and does not care about promoting family. They want to destroy family and lower the population. And it has worked.

Large percent of the girls not choosing marriage wind up as prostitutes/porn in stead, it that an improvement?

No it is not.

Ocean56

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#31 Mar 31, 2012
Axx wrote:
Teen pregnancy is a wonderful thing and used to be the norm.
Girls going to college before they get married, or instead of getting married, has been the problem causing population collapse.
Enuff of the anti-family brainwashing.
What utter NONSENSE. Teen pregnancy/motherhood is NOT a wonderful thing, contrary to the MYTH that girls are ONLY supposed to be wives and mothers. In case you hadn't noticed, we are in the 21ST century, not the 19th, and thankfully, women can have other choices in their lives rather than being just housewives and mothers.

If girls REALLY want to be mothers later on in life, going to college and getting good jobs before they get married and become mothers isn't going to stop them. And if SOME girls decide later on that they prefer being career women rather than mothers, that is THEIR decision. You won't find too many women who want to go back to the 19th century ideal of the wife, mother and unpaid housekeeper ONLY.
Ocean56

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#32 Mar 31, 2012
Axx wrote:
That's when family happens. You get married and start a family in your youth or it may never happen.
The state knows this and does not care about promoting family. They want to destroy family and lower the population. And it has worked.
"That's when family happens" according to YOU. Do you really want all girls and young women to be denied their chance at graduating high school then go on to higher education? If your answer is yes, too bad.

Try to accept the fact that this is the 21ST century, where women CAN have better opportunities for jobs, careers and independent living, rather than the 19th century, when women had almost NO rights at all.
Ocean56

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#33 Mar 31, 2012
TEN WINNING ADVANTAGES OF AVOIDING SEX

1. FREEDOM from unwanted teen pregnancy and teen parenthood

2. FREEDOM from indurable STDs like herpes and fatal STDs like AIDS

3. FREEDOM to concentrate on school work and participate in all school activities

4. FREEDOM to get all homework assignments done and studying to maintain or improve grades

5. FREEDOM to participate in learning programs for future jobs and careers

6. FREEDOM to graduate with classmates and receive a high school diploma

7. FREEDOM to move on to college or vocational school with no restrictions

8. FREEDOM to complete a college or vocational program and receive a degree or certificate

9. FREEDOM to look for and accept good jobs with higher salaries

10. FREEDOM to to get valuable job experience in a chosen career and take courses to learn more job skills.

Abstinence = FREEDOM. No consequences attached.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#34 Mar 31, 2012
Axx wrote:
<quoted text>
Teen pregnancy is a wonderful thing and used to be the norm.
Girls going to college before they get married, or instead of getting married, has been the problem causing population collapse.
Enuff of the anti-family brainwashing.
Anti... family... brainwashing... Seriously we are here talking about the realities of what a teen mother and a teen father can face. And FYI it is not brainwashing or anti family. Facts are that a teen mother starts out with a lot more minuses and than pluses.
Ocean56

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#35 Mar 31, 2012
Kathwynn wrote:
Anti... family... brainwashing... Seriously we are here talking about the realities of what a teen mother and a teen father can face. And FYI it is not brainwashing or anti family. Facts are that a teen mother starts out with a lot more minuses than pluses.
Exactly. I must say it does boggle my mind that anyone could seriously believe that teen pregnancy is a good thing or that we should all go BACKWARDS by two centuries.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#36 Mar 31, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. I must say it does boggle my mind that anyone could seriously believe that teen pregnancy is a good thing or that we should all go BACKWARDS by two centuries.
Exactly.

Teen pregnancy in the 18th and 19th century was more a matter of being able to survive child birth.

In the centuries past it was not unusual for a teen as young as 13 to be getting married. Again it was time when mortality rate and many infants did not even survive the first year.. So as young as possible to start having children was desirable.

Today with advancement of medicine and higher survival rate than in centuries past there is no reason for a teen to become pregnant.

Throw in the myriad of BC that is available. teen pregnancy does not need to be anything other than a rare circumstance. Sadly though many people like this poster ha seemingly not received the memo. Abstinence, birth control, and legal abortion can assure that a teen girl need to be pregnant.

Unfortunately as we both know far too many in the people buy into the posters philosophy. The result is an abstinence only driven curriculum which only guarantees a higher rate of teen pregnancy.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#37 Mar 31, 2012
need not be pregnant, rather
Ocean56

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#38 Apr 1, 2012
Kathwynn wrote:
Today with advancement of medicine and higher survival rate than in centuries past there is no reason for a teen to become pregnant.
Throw in the myriad of BC that is available. teen pregnancy does not need to be anything other than a rare circumstance. Sadly though many people like this poster ha seemingly not received the memo. Abstinence, birth control, and legal abortion can assure that a teen girl need not be pregnant.
Unfortunately as we both know far too many in the people buy into the posters philosophy. The result is an abstinence only driven curriculum which only guarantees a higher rate of teen pregnancy.
Very true, regarding the last statement. The abstinence-ONLY programs have been, in my view at least, a total failure.

The method of sex education in all public middle and high schools needs to be along the lines of Abstinence PLUS Education. That means always encourage abstinence for teens PLUS giving them all the facts about contraceptive methods and strongly advise them to use some form of protection if they decide to have sex anyway.

It's a biological fact; when teens use NO protection at all, an unwanted pregnancy (or worse, a sexually transmitted disease) is almost certain to happen at some point. It's much BETTER if the unwanted pregnancy not happen in the first place.
Ocean56

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#39 Apr 1, 2012
Axx wrote:
That's when family happens. You get married and start a family in your youth or it may never happen.
The state knows this and does not care about promoting family. They want to destroy family and lower the population. And it has worked.
Large percent of the girls not choosing marriage wind up as prostitutes/porn in stead, it that an improvement?
No it is not.
And if some girls decide NEVER to marry or have children, that is THEIR decision and none of your business. A lot of them prefer to be doctors, lawyers, police officers, ANYTHING but a mother. Such is the beauty of the 21st century, women are NOT restricted to home and babies anymore.

The way I see it, girls who are NOT pregnant now are much better off asking themselves what THEY -- not their parents -- want in terms of education and job/career/profession plans after they complete high school. Then they can begin to make an active plan to realize those educational and career goals.

Girls who have a solid educational and career plan in mind -- and better yet, written down -- may be far LESS likely to give in to demands for sex from immature guys (whether they are boyfriends or not) which can and does lead to pregnancy or worse, a S.T.D. Even if a boyfriend threatens to break up with her for saying NO, she can still say NO with confidence because she doesn't want her plan drastically altered or totally wrecked by having sex and getting pregnant.

I don't know of ANY teenager who would give up all their FREEDOM to graduate high school and then go on to college/vocational school to be stuck caring for a baby instead. The life of a teenage mother is going to be a very HARD one, no matter how many people claim it's "not so bad." I strongly believe it is far better for girls (and guys too) to be FREE TEENS, rather than teen parents burdened with too many responsibilities at so young an age.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#40 Apr 1, 2012
Curtis Lowe wrote:
Potential sluts can hold a walnut between their knees?
Either that or keep a sharp blade handy, for any penis trying to create a slut.

No penis, no problem. Long Live Lorena Bobbitt!
says PF

Manchester Township, NJ

#41 Apr 1, 2012
give them twins to take care of for a few weeks, that will get them on birth control.
lol

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