Hispanics, if there wa a race war, wh...

Hispanics, if there wa a race war, whose side would you choose?

Created by John on Apr 18, 2010

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whites(oppose immigration)

blacks

Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#23 Apr 21, 2010
John wrote:
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It's about numbers. Blacks and Hispanics(all minorities) can over throw the white business man..........
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Never going to happen. And this is why ---- Each & every one of Americas "minority groups" all have different histories & cultures. And even MORE so, each & every one of Americas minority groups "American experience" is different & distinct from the other.

And there was only one time in American history which showed some "unity".---- Back in the 1960s, many leftwing "minority groups" were aligned with each other. And actually, some White leftwing organizations were also aligned with these leftwing minority groups. Furthermore, many White leftists also joined some of the leftwing minority organizations.

And this was the alliance. These were the organizations.---- Young Lords (Leftwing Puerto Ricans), Damas y Caballeros de San Juan (Leftwing Puerto Ricans), Puerto Rican Nationalist Party (Leftwing Puerto Ricans), Brown Berets (Leftwing Mexicans), Black Berets (Leftwing african Americans), Rising Up Angry (Primarily White leftists along with african American & some Hispanic leftists), Crusaders for Justice (Comprised of african American, Hispanic & White leftists), Students for a democratic society (Comprised of african American, Hispanic & White leftists), M.P.I.(Comprised of african American, Hispanic & White leftists), Red Guards (Leftwing Asian-Americans), Communist Party U.S.A.(Primarily White leftists along with african American & some Hispanic leftists).

And this is why I mention these organizations.---- Back in the 1960s, all of these various leftwing organizations (And the White included) had a little "unity". But just for a little while. And this is why.---- Their respective "causes / struggles" were different from each another. For instance --- Hispanics "cause / struggle" was totally different / distinct than the "cause / struggle" of the White leftists. In addition, the "cause / struggle" of the Hispanic & White leftists was totally different / distinct from the cause / struggle of african Americans.

So this "unity" as well as their "causes / struggles" could only go so far. And subsequently, this unity pretty much broke up RIGHT after it began.

They are all totally different & totally distinct.

Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#25 Apr 21, 2010
John wrote:
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Also, Afro latinos are black. Why wouldn't they identify and side with African Americans?????
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Oh, you are absolutely correct that Afro-Latinos are "black". Obviously, Afro-Latinos have African ancestry / roots.

Now, Afro-Latinos would ONLY "side" with african Americans as what I pointed out in my previous post where I mentioned the "alliance" which leftwing Hispanic organizations (La Raza, Lulac & Maldef) have with leftwing african American organizations (Primarily the NAACP). And this is why ---- The Afro-Latinos would benefit from this alliance but not african Americans.

And the political aspect is TOTALLY secondary stuff. Actually, the political aspect is about 7th rate. What is CRITICAL are these areas --- The aid, the jobs (Especially the jobs), the housing, the health care & the education.

And in regards to America ----

The TRUTH of the matter is that ANY group is PREFERRED OVER african Americans. african Americans have ALWAYS had to (And will ALWAYS have to) compete against EVERY newly arriving immigrant group.

And this is not only true in the U.S. but a similar set up exists in Latin America / Caribbean basin. Latin America / Caribbean basin also has similar histories when it came to dealing with the newly freed slaves. Black slaves were NOT to be a part of the newly developing nations. For instance ----- America, the nations of Latin America & the Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean encouraged European immigration to offset the high black populations.

For instance --- In the Dominican Republic, Rightwing president Trujillo exterminated the descendants of black American slaves (These black Americans migrated to the D.R. after 1865 & they settled in enclaves in Dajabon, Pedernales & Santiago) & Haitians (Primarily Haitians) back in October, 1937. The only descendants of black American slaves who were spared were the ones who played baseball for Dominican baseball teams. And the only Haitians who were spared were the ones who worked for Dominican & American farms &/or businesses. And then Trujillo imported Italians, Spanish & Jews. But, they were primarily Italian Fascists, Spanish Fascists & Jewish Zionists.

And in Brazil ---- Brazil decided to "breed out" the African blood of the population via their "braquimeinto programs". And these programs entailed "whitening" Brazils population by "mating / breeding" black females with ANY White male. And most of the Whites were the employers to these black females. In addition, the exact, same "set up" also existed in Australia.

And once slavery had run its course they WEREN'T going to integrate Africans into the population. The VAST majority were marked for "extinction" save for a 10-12% remnant who would still be needed to do the MOST menial jobs in society.
Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#26 Apr 21, 2010
John --- In regards to your previous post to me, post #14.----- You said "Nothing can be proven until it actually happens".---- Oh, of course.

But, "Globalization / North American Union" is VERY much real. And Americas Hispanic population is increasing by DELIBERATE design. Not by accident.

And let's be honest.--- Displacement by immigrants is NOTHING new for african Americans. It has been going on in the past & it will continue in the future. And WAY more so in the future. And throughout Latin America, Latin society DOESN'T hide their "Whites only" policy at all.

Latin America / Caribbean basin (The Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean) instituted the SAME policies which America instituted. And this entailed encouraging European immigration to NOW take on the newly developing paying jobs. Blacks were marginalized hoping that they would die off from hunger &/or poverty. And when hunger &/or poverty didn't work, drugs & diseases then "came up".

And throughout Latin America / Caribbean basin (The Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean), some of the black women were "mated" with the Europeans & whitened up their offspring. And Latin America / Caribbean basin welcomed fleeing Nazis / Fascists as well as Jewish Zionists to give their scientific input on how to get rid of the "black problem".

And they wanted to preserve at least 10-12% of the black population to work as menial laborers.

And this is the history & REALITY of the "New World".

The U.S. ONLY discriminates against the african Americans. And this is what I'm referring to.----EVERYONE else here can pretty much rise as high as they want to go in this society EVEN if they are not White. As long as they are NOT african American it is okay. And throughout Latin America / Caribbean basin (Spanish speaking nations of the Caribbean), there is NO advancement for "blacks".

And the mestizo population(s) of Mexico, Central America & South America are coming to the states where they can advance here as long as they are not black or appear to be mixed with blacks.

And this is why I'm mentioning Latin America & the Caribbean ---- They are interconnected with America due to the North American Union.
Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#27 Apr 21, 2010
John wrote:
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You're contradicting yourself..... One minute hispanics are a "sleeping giant" and the next we're not important. Make up your mind Johnny.....
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Nope, not at all. You misconstrued my previous point/points. In my previous post, I said that YOU individually don't factor in into Americas politics. And especially Americas racial politics & racial dynamics. In addition, leftwing Hispanic organizations DON'T carry any "weight" at all in regards to American politics.

Let me give you an example ---- Latin American organizations as well as some Caribbean black organizations in the Caribbean Triangle are part of the North American Union.

Now, do you, as well as leftwing Hispanic organizations (Maldef, La Raza, Lulac & "hard" leftwing groups like La Voz de Aztlan/Nation of Aztlan, Mexica Movement &/or MEChA) have any say &/or "weight" in regards to the North American Union?---- Answer --- Nope.

Here are some more examples. Now, these examples don't pertain to the North American Union. But, they are examples nonetheless.----La Eme / Surenos have had & currently have an alliance with the Aryan Brotherhood & other White groups. And similar arrangements exist with Hispanic motorcycle clubs & White motorcycle clubs. And on the East Coast, Caribbean blacks have an alliance with White organizations.

Now, do you, as well as leftwing Hispanic groups (Maldef, La Raza, Lulac & "hard" leftwing groups like La Voz de Aztlan/Nation of Aztlan, Mexica Movement &/or MEChA) have any say &/or "weight" in regards to this?--- Answer --- Nope.

Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#28 Apr 21, 2010
John ---- In regards to your previous post to me, post #14.----- You said "Besides, why would Hispanics want to work with people who would NEVER allow them to advance or be socially equal??".----Totally incorrect about this. Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) have been & are currently TOTALLY assimilatable / amalgamatable into American society. And again, Americas Hispanic population is increasing by deliberate design. Not by accident.

You say "Blacks are wayyyy more tolerable".---- Pff, most african Americans don't care about anyone else. Furthermore, most african Americans don't even care about themselves. And most african Americans don't even take care of themselves. In addition, most african Americans don't even respect themselves.

You say "Remember the Native Americans?? They are Non-Existent because of White people".---- Throughout the generations, Native Americans have largely intermarried with Whites. Now, it is true that the Native American reservations do have problems (And tragically so). But, the problems which the reservations have is a result of "self destructive behaviors from within" such as alcoholism, drugs, dropping out of high school, suicides, etc..

You say "Hispanics could care less about jobs".---- Oh geez. Smh. Uhh, without jobs one doesn't live nor eat. Furthermore, it isn't just the jobs, it is also the aid, the housing, the health care & the education.

You say "we want equal opportunities".---- Uhh, Hispanics have FULL equal opportunities in America. And Hispanics are totally & fully assimilatable / amalgamatable into American society.

You say "No thank you, I'm siding with the blacks".---- Whatever you like. And you are siding with a "losing team". And I've pointed this out in my previous post/posts. In addition, here are several "other" CRITICAL factors --- african Americans negative population growth, african American on african American crime, african Americans high abortion rates, african Americans VERY high jail / prison population as well as "mixing" with other races, etc..

And John, awhile back I saw where single, african American women have a median net worth of $5.00.---- http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10068/1041225-... .

THIS is a tragedy. Smh.
Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#29 Apr 21, 2010
John ---- Your last 2 points here.---- You said "Look at blacks, they were slaves, faced Jim Crow laws".----- You are absolutely correct about this.

You say "and they're still treated like c--p".----Well, it is ALL about ones behavior, actions & attitudes. For instance ---- If an african American is well mannered, hard working, isn't playing the "race card", isn't playing the "martyr --- victim", isn't using the very old past as a "crutch &/or an excuse" &/or isn't making demands for more free handouts/entitlement, they get respect.

However though, if an african American is speaking ebonics, is lazy, has his / her pants sagging down by their buttocks, is playing the "race card", is playing the "martyr -- victim", is using the very old past as a "crutch &/or an excuse" &/or making demands for more free handouts/entitlements/reparati ons, they don't get respect.

It's all about ones behavior, actions & attitudes.
Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#30 Apr 21, 2010
John --- Whites have done A LOT to help & empower african Americans. And it has primarily been the tax money from primarily White Americans which has gone towards african Americans welfare & other entitlements.

And among the White groups, Jewish-Americans have especially done a lot to help & empower african Americans. For instance --- Jewish-Americans played a very critical / pivotal part in the formation of the NAACP organization way back. And Jewish-Americans played a very critical / pivotal part in the sustaining of the NAACP as well as many "other" african American "civil / legal rights" organizations. Furthermore, back in the 1960s, Jewish Americans gave a lot of aid/assistance to the african American "civil rights movement". And this aid consisted of monetary donations & legal aid/advice.

And from the 1960s till now, african Americans have been given preferential treatment in the areas of aid/assistance, college --- university admissions, job hiring & set asides.

And from the 1960s till now, african Americans have been given trillions & trillions of dollars in aid in the form of welfare, housing aid, rent assistance, heat assistance, health care aid, educational aid, free school lunches, food stamps, TANF, Section 8, AFDC, WIC, legal aid, transportation aid, phone bill aid, child care/day care, foster care, affirmative action/quotas, set asides & federal jobs.

Whites have done MORE than their fair share to help & empower african Americans.

So, the "ball is in african Americans court".

Johnny

Kenosha, WI

#31 Apr 21, 2010
John ---- From the 1960s till now, "self destructive behaviors from within" have been african Americans BIGGEST obstacles to growth & empowerment. And these have been the self destructive behaviors from within.-----

1. From the 1960s till now, the over 70% to over
80% illegitimate birth rates (Depending upon the area).

2. From the 1960s till now, the VERY high rates of african American kids dropping out of high school.

3. From the 1960s till now, the VERY high rates of deadbeat fathers in the african American "community" who haven't paid any & who currently aren't paying any child support.

4. From the 1960s till now, the VERY high rates of single, unwed african American mothers who haven't received any & who currently aren't receiving any child support.

5. From the 1960s till now, the VERY high rates of african Americans who are unemployed & who are not employable due to being a high school dropout &/or because of having a criminal record. And usually a VERY extensive criminal record at this.

Now, the african American "community" has several hundred billion $$$ worth of spending / earning "power". Yet, OVER 95% of tihs $$$ goes "outside" of the african American "community". african Americans currently don't support & they haven't supported african American owned / run businesses since the 1960s.

From the 1960s till now, this is ALL it has been in the african American "community".--- Crime against each other, rivalry, jealousy, envy, egos, playa hating, not taking care of & not supporting each / one another up.
Caffeinated

United States

#32 Apr 21, 2010
Johnny wrote:
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Hi Caffeinated. How's it going? I haven't forgotten about your previous posts to me on the other thread about Blagojevich, the administration, the Mexican gov't, etc.. I'll definitely respond back by tomorrow evening.^5.
Okay.:)

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#33 Apr 21, 2010
Johnny wrote:
John ---- In regards to your previous post to me, post #4.----- You said "What about the fact that hispanics don't like whites?".--- Really? And how so? And when did you become the "spokesman" for Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included)? In addition, Hispanics have been & are currently TOTALLY assimilatable & amalgamatable into American society.
Furthermore, many Hispanics identify as being "White".
You said "I'm hispanic. LOL!".---- Uhh, with all due respect, this seems HIGHLY unlikely. And this is why ---- Your thread which you made here is VERY unlikely for a Hispanic to make.
And even "if" you were Hispanic, you individually don't "factor in" into Americas politics. And ESPECIALLY Americas "racial politics" & "racial dynamics".
Yeah Hispanic is not even a race. But if you look at Mexican television etc..this is what you see a lot of..

http://www.analizzarte.net/wp-content/uploads...

http://vivirlatino.com/i/jan06/lorena.jpg

http://mundochisme.files.wordpress.com/2008/0...

Does this tell you something about their racial preferences???
guy

Humble, TX

#34 Apr 21, 2010
Caffeinated wrote:
I have a better idea....how about NO race war, and we all stick together as Americans?
This in not likely due to intolerance towards white people.
Mandela

Massapequa, NY

#35 Apr 23, 2010
Where did you get this information from?

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#36 Apr 23, 2010
So race will be a major issue in the coming years...
But from what I have seen just in my family and friends, the bigger factor will be money. My family and friends that have it, have very small families or none. My friends and family that have bigger families tend to be broke, paying child support and their progeny will be probably at a huge disadvantage in the coming dystopia...

If you can remember what happened in that movie Titanic, and the hurricane in New Orleans, the rich will always find a way out. From what happened to my immediate family during World War 2 and what I have read about in other families, the rich and connected mostly were able to buy and network their way out of some of the worse situations. So if things are going to hit the fan I think the top tier will just up and move somewhere safer and more stable. So my advice to everyone is in the next couple of decades, try to float to the top ten percent, because things are going to get pretty scary...
guy

San Antonio, TX

#37 Jun 27, 2010
Mandela wrote:
Where did you get this information from?
As a nation we're doomed.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#38 Sep 30, 2013
Garrig wrote:
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Yeah Hispanic is not even a race. But if you look at Mexican television etc..this is what you see a lot of..
http://www.analizzarte.net/wp-content/uploads...
http://vivirlatino.com/i/jan06/lorena.jpg
http://mundochisme.files.wordpress.com/2008/0...
Does this tell you something about their racial preferences???
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How's it going Garrig? It's been quite awhile since we blogged.

Your points above. Your links above which showed Mexicans "racial" preferences in television.---- Are 150% correct.

Yep, the Spanish speaking nations have always (Still do) tilted towards & favored European culture.

This is why that Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#39 Sep 30, 2013
onamato wrote:
the bigger factor will be money.
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Ideology & class. But, "race" also factors. It always has, it always will.

The United States has "Identity Politics".

This nation has group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.

In the United States, race cannot be transcended.

Each & every one of the United States respective racial groups has their own goals, objectives & interests. Most of all, their own interests.

This will remain the deal into the future.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#40 Sep 30, 2013
John wrote:
Think about which race opposes immigration the most......
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There are non-Hispanic Whites who do oppose illegal Hispanic immigration to the United States.

But, there are many, many other non-Hispanic Whites who are pro-Hispanic (Afro-Latino included).

Many non-Hispanic White Democrats are pro illegal Hispanic. Since most illegals are of low economic means, since the Democratic Party represents the underclass.---- When illegals become legal, most illegal Hispanics vote for candidates of the Democratic Party.

Many non-Hispanic White Republicans are pro illegal Hispanic. Since illegals provide very cheap labor for American businesses, since the Republican Party represents American businesses.---- Non-Hispanic Whites in businesses & the business lobby have derived (Still do) profits off of the labor of the illegal Hispanics.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#41 Sep 30, 2013
John wrote:
If you choose whites, they will not treat u equally.
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Not true.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are one of the United States PREFERED "minorities". Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are WAY prefered. OVER African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to White America.

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are NOT a threat to the American System.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to White America.

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) ARE a threat to the American System.

This is why Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being elevated & advanced in the United States. AT THE EXPENSE OF African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Here is a link which shows a very small aspect of this dynamic at work.----

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_... .

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are viewed as being a racial buffer class. AGAINST African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) are being given "Honorary White Status" in the United States.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#42 Sep 30, 2013
John wrote:
What about the fact that hispanics don't like whites???? I'm hispanic. LOL!
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No, you aren't Hispanic. You are African American (Descendant of a black American slave).

Awhile back on a couple of other threads, you typed up stuff which ONLY an African American would state.

On this thread, you were pretending to be Hispanic.

You were trying to come across as being "believable".

You were trying to come across as being more "credible".

Well, you aren't.

When one pretends to be something which they are not.---- They come across as being a punk & a coward.

From now on, before you type up your posts or threads.---- Don't pretend to be something which you are not.

Just post as what you are, an African American (Descendant of a black American slave).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#43 Sep 30, 2013
John wrote:
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Also, Afro latinos are black. Why wouldn't they identify and side with African Americans?????
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Afro-Latinos have African ancestry.

But, Afro-Latinos are very much different from African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Afro-Latinos come from a different history & culture than what African Americans come from.

Afro-Latinos come from nations, societies & cultures which have different customs & norms than what African Americans have.

In the United States, Afro-Latinos do NOT identify as African American.

In this nation, Afro-Latinos do NOT classify with African Americans.

How do Afro-Latinos classify with the federal government census?---- As Hispanic.

Since Afro-Latinos don't identify with African Americans.---- African Americans are out of luck.

How Americans classify according to race with the federal government matters.

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