Gun Control Debate

[The Main Man]

Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.

Hard to argue those statistics

[memphis]

I'm confused. So, okay it's still early, bear with me. You mean there are 8 million people in NYC and 53 million in England & Wales total, right? And Britain has a law against guns I'm guessing? I haven't read into this, I'm just asking.

I am going to get a gun when I turn 21 next year. With all the crazy shit going on in America, being a 100lb girl I need some way of protecting myself! What else should I do?!

[Captain Britain]

They will tho :)

[DHard3006]

The Main Man wrote:

New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year. Hard to argue those statistics

And yet people still immigrate to America.

[Concerned Virginian]

There has never been a more obvious need for strict gun control in the U.S. than now, in the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy. We live in troubled times and the avaibility of guns makes this phenomenon all the more dangerous. Europe may have its knifings, but a crazy person wielding a knife can be subdued before they've killed dozens of people. Need protection? Call the police, install an alarm, and get a big, noisy watch dog. A gun will only end up in your killer's hands. Fight for gun control now. Condolences to the Hokies from a Wahoo.

[Captain Britain]

DHard3006 wrote:

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And yet people still immigrate to America.

and getting shot

[firmus1]

The Main Man wrote:

Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
Hard to argue those statistics

world murder statistics show the u.s. as #24 in the number of murders per capita....britain is #46.
russia is #5 and colombia is #1.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per...

[MrRabbit]

I disagree. Gun control laws and campus regulations contributed to this situation. People have a right to defend themselves. Guns and other weapons are not going away, nor are evil/crazy people. England and Austrailia suffered a dramatic increase in crime after enacting gun bans. There are plenty of guns in both countries, most in the hands of criminals. Statistics show that guns save thousands of lives each year and prevent hundreds of thousands of other crimes. Usually, just the display of a gun stops most malefactors.

The idea of law-abiding people turning in their guns while criminals go wild is an insane obscenity that could only be proposed by someone very naive or sinister.

I say again, VA Tech's regulations that prohibit guns on campus (in a conceal carry state) for everyone resulted in a much greater tragedy. The police cannot and will not protect you, especially in a large-scale crisis (like Katrina) where criminals preyed openly upon the weak and defenseless.

Is it not odd that this shooting occurred during the annual NRA meeting, just like the Columbine shooting eight years ago?

[memphis]

Concerned Virginian wrote:

There has never been a more obvious need for strict gun control in the U.S. than now, in the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy. We live in troubled times and the avaibility of guns makes this phenomenon all the more dangerous. Europe may have its knifings, but a crazy person wielding a knife can be subdued before they've killed dozens of people. Need protection? Call the police, install an alarm, and get a big, noisy watch dog. A gun will only end up in your killer's hands. Fight for gun control now. Condolences to the Hokies from a Wahoo.

Guess who DID pass a law on gun control? Australia! And Guess what happened to the murder rate? It went up. The only people with guns were criminals. And believe me, criminals will still have guns whether or not they are legal or not.
Besides, why would this kid who can shoot to kill 60 people care about a gun law? Are you serious?

[DHard3006]

Concerned Virginian wrote:

There has never been a more obvious need for strict gun control in the U.S. than now, in the wake of the Virginia Tech tragedy.

I just heard the killer was a foreigner. How about some control over who we allow into America.

Concerned Virginian wrote:

We live in troubled times and the avaibility of guns makes this phenomenon all the more dangerous.

LOL more asinine gun hater logic. Hey lock your doors and close your windows if you are scared of the outside world. Oh crap if you ban guns then you will be the law abiding citizen obeying the law as the criminals kills you with a gun.

Concerned Virginian wrote:

Europe may have its knifings, but a crazy person wielding a knife can be subdued before they've killed dozens of people.

Hey gun hater only if people are willing to defend themselves. It is clear you are not a person willing to defend yourself. You like all gun haters want to rely on others that are willing to defend themselves.

Captain Britain wrote:

and getting shot

Hey gun hater you hateful ways are not welcome in America.

[jackie moore]

DHard3006 wrote:

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I just heard the killer was a foreigner. How about some control over who we allow into America.
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LOL more asinine gun hater logic. Hey lock your doors and close your windows if you are scared of the outside world. Oh crap if you ban guns then you will be the law abiding citizen obeying the law as the criminals kills you with a gun.
<quoted text> bout time someone spoke the truth.....
Hey gun hater only if people are willing to defend themselves. It is clear you are not a person willing to defend yourself. You like all gun haters want to rely on others that are willing to defend themselves.
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Hey gun hater you hateful ways are not welcome in America.

bout time someone spoke the truth

[Hmmmm]

What idea's do you have? How would you like to "Gun Control?"

I know I will fully have CONTROL of my GUN when I am faced with a gunman.

[Captain Britain]

DHard3006 wrote:

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I just heard the killer was a foreigner. How about some control over who we allow into America.
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LOL more asinine gun hater logic. Hey lock your doors and close your windows if you are scared of the outside world. Oh crap if you ban guns then you will be the law abiding citizen obeying the law as the criminals kills you with a gun.
<quoted text>
Hey gun hater only if people are willing to defend themselves. It is clear you are not a person willing to defend yourself. You like all gun haters want to rely on others that are willing to defend themselves.
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Hey gun hater you hateful ways are not welcome in America.

I like how you try and catergorise us a gun haters, to make us appare evil. We should be really called something like 'pro-lifers'... oh i think its taken.
But you are right, my views wont affect america... shame, i would come over and protest, but id probably just be shot.
funny thing is australia, is lower on average than america in the countries with the highest murder rate (see link)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_per...

[memphis]

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I just heard the killer was a foreigner. How about some control over who we allow into America.
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Let's not turn this into a racial thing. This kid lived here for 14 years. His family also lives here. It was a sad thing, but it's not racial. If you want no immigration, ever, you would still be in europe, most likely, or wherever you're from.
I'd still be here though!

[firmus1]

Hmmmm wrote:

What idea's do you have? How would you like to "Gun Control?"
I know I will fully have CONTROL of my GUN when I am faced with a gunman.

with my colt commander....i consider gun control a 2" spread.

[Barry Fleckmann]

The Main Man wrote:

Britain's 46 homicides involving firearms was the lowest total since the late 1980s. New York City, with 8 million people compared to 53 million in England and Wales, recorded at least 579 homicides last year.
Hard to argue those statistics

Amen, brother, I just attempted to make this same argument on another thread. Just a few short years ago, British policemen (Bobbies) didn't even carry firearms. They brandished nightsticks. Even then, bad guys (thugs) thought twice about shooting an un-armed policeman. There's something about the culture, over there, as compared to ours. I mean, this country was settled by Englishmen; we were part of the Monarchy for centuries. What happened to us?

[DHard3006]

memphis wrote:

If you want no immigration, ever, you would still be in europe, most likely, or wherever you're from.

Gee and none of my family has ever went on a killing spree.

memphis wrote:

I'd still be here though!

Oh great are you going to claim that Indian thing? If I recall all tribes did the same thing the Europeans did, they migrated from other areas. So you would not still be here. Oh and if there were tribes there before the other tribe guess what, they were attacked and killed off or enslaved by the invading tribe.

[memphis]

Barry Fleckmann wrote:

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Amen, brother, I just attempted to make this same argument on another thread. Just a few short years ago, British policemen (Bobbies) didn't even carry firearms. They brandished nightsticks. Even then, bad guys (thugs) thought twice about shooting an un-armed policeman. There's something about the culture, over there, as compared to ours. I mean, this country was settled by Englishmen; we were part of the Monarchy for centuries. What happened to us?

The world has gone to shit, that's what happened. No one is safe anymore, you can't trust anyone. Not too long ago here in memphis a woman saw this lady with a baby and a stalled, broken down car, so she pulled over to help by giving her a ride. This woman with her newborn child gets in, rides for a minute, then kicks the innocent woman out into the road, taking off with the car, only to crash it into a house; then she gets out and runs, leaving the baby in the car.
CAN'T EVEN TRUST A MOTHER WITH HER CHILD?!

[heartland]

Last week the first amendment was under fire by the liberals this week it will be the second amendment.I'm surprised they haven't blamed Bush. Oh wait this just in, it is all Bush's fault!! Its been confirmed by our trusted media.The Korean who did the shooting after all was just a victim of our capitalist society, and it was Bush's fault that he felt oppressed.It had nothing to do with the fact that guns were banned on campus violating our right to bear arms.No couldn't be, there's no story in that.

[Barry Fleckmann]

memphis wrote:

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The world has gone to shit, that's what happened. No one is safe anymore, you can't trust anyone. Not too long ago here in memphis a woman saw this lady with a baby and a stalled, broken down car, so she pulled over to help by giving her a ride. This woman with her newborn child gets in, rides for a minute, then kicks the innocent woman out into the road, taking off with the car, only to crash it into a house; then she gets out and runs, leaving the baby in the car.
CAN'T EVEN TRUST A MOTHER WITH HER CHILD?!

I know, I know. Over in Iraq, the terrorists (insurgents) are now using babies and children to gain access to restricted areas, then blowing THEM up
with their intended targets (innocent civilians, and American G.I.'s. As Thomas Paine once said, "these are the times that try men's souls." Hang in, there!