“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#180791 Jul 28, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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My thinking is that we've trained the Iraqi police and armed forces to the point where they should be able to handle this. Their own people are going to have to step up to the plate whether they want to or not. Farmers and shop owners are going to have to become warriors to the best of their abilities and fight. We've done enough to help them. All they have to do is stop fighting each other and take on the bad guys.
Also true. Problem is, ISIS robbed several Iraqi banks to the tune of over 1/2 million $$$, AND commandeered tons of US military weapons and other equipment left for the Iraqis.

But the Iraqis panicked and fled from the approaching ISIS "army" to the northern outskirts of Baghdad. There was also some info about ISIS threatening to take over Baghdad International Airport, but were stopped. You might find this article interesting, even though it's dated 4-29-14.
http://www.vice.com/read/ISIS-Iraq-jihadists-...

IINM, ISIS is made up mostly of Sunni Muslims along with some Ba'athists. I don't know the makeup of the Iraq police and military, but I believe they are mostly Shi'a. If that's the case, there shouldn't be much trouble getting them to fight ISIS.

But if not, Sunnis and Ba'athists are not likely to stand up against their brethren.

Since: Nov 08

Chicago, IL

#180792 Jul 28, 2014
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Also true. Problem is, ISIS robbed several Iraqi banks to the tune of over 1/2 million $$$, AND commandeered tons of US military weapons and other equipment left for the Iraqis.
But the Iraqis panicked and fled from the approaching ISIS "army" to the northern outskirts of Baghdad. There was also some info about ISIS threatening to take over Baghdad International Airport, but were stopped. You might find this article interesting, even though it's dated 4-29-14.
http://www.vice.com/read/ISIS-Iraq-jihadists-...
IINM, ISIS is made up mostly of Sunni Muslims along with some Ba'athists. I don't know the makeup of the Iraq police and military, but I believe they are mostly Shi'a. If that's the case, there shouldn't be much trouble getting them to fight ISIS.
But if not, Sunnis and Ba'athists are not likely to stand up against their brethren.
Good article. I had no idea exactly where the ISIS tools came from.
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180793 Jul 28, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Well, bob, given Putin's antics in Georgia, Ukraine, and other places - I'd say he's trying to (re)establish primacy in what Russia has traditionally considered its sphere of influence.
I don't know that he will storm into Ukraine now that he's got Crimea, but if it came to that - yup, he'd probably be able to finish the job before anybody could come to their aid in any effective manner.
The US and Canada can't replace the energy supplies the Russians deliver to the Europeans anywhere near quick enough to avoid economic disruptions that would probably hurt over here, although not as much. My comments about Europeans paying, however, were if it should break out into armed conflict.
Why he's doing it ... I'll leave that to the shrinks.
Now, about that "limited short term military excursion". That's a good Rumsfeld impression.
If the Iraqis asked, and if they showed the ability (not the promise, but some prospects of delivering on that promise) to reestablish control of the area, then I'd offer to help. Drones could and probably would be part of that, but don't kid yourself. You can't just go in and kill X number of bad guys and be done with it. The best that can do is provide a VERY short term solution to the problem. You can drive 'em over the border, but a 'limited short term military excursion' just means they'll be back as soon as it's over.
Most of you should read up on our US "Full Spetrum Dominance" Bahahhaaaaa
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180794 Jul 28, 2014
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Also true. Problem is, ISIS robbed several Iraqi banks to the tune of over 1/2 million $$$, AND commandeered tons of US military weapons and other equipment left for the Iraqis.
But the Iraqis panicked and fled from the approaching ISIS "army" to the northern outskirts of Baghdad. There was also some info about ISIS threatening to take over Baghdad International Airport, but were stopped. You might find this article interesting, even though it's dated 4-29-14.
http://www.vice.com/read/ISIS-Iraq-jihadists-...
IINM, ISIS is made up mostly of Sunni Muslims along with some Ba'athists. I don't know the makeup of the Iraq police and military, but I believe they are mostly Shi'a. If that's the case, there shouldn't be much trouble getting them to fight ISIS.
But if not, Sunnis and Ba'athists are not likely to stand up against their brethren.
You forgot to mention US trained ISIS (moderate Rebels) in Jordan, US help rebel groups create further instability in the regions all around the world! Readup On our US "Full Spectrum Dominance!" you understand out warring US agendas!
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180795 Jul 28, 2014
:
Freeing the World to Death, William Blum

Ex-President Jimmy Carter:

"
We sent Marines into Lebanon and you only have to go to Lebanon, to Syria or to Jordan... to witness first-hand the intense hatred among many people for the United States because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers-women and children and farmers and housewives-in those villages around Beirut .... As a result of that ...we became kind of a Satan in the minds of those who are deeply resentful. That is what precipitated the taking of our hostages and that is what has precipitated some of the terrorist attacks.'
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180796 Jul 28, 2014
Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski is a Polish American political scientist, geostrategist, and statesman who served as United States National Security Advisor ...

1997 article in Foreign Affairs


Eurasia accounts for 75 percent of the world's population; 60 percent of its GNP, and 75 percent of its energy resources. Collectively, Eurasia's potential power overshadows even America's.

... A power that dominated Eurasia would exercise decisive influence over two \ of the world's three most economically productive regions, Western Europe and East Asia. A glance at the map also suggests that a country dominant in Eurasia would almost automatically control the Middle East and Africa. With Eurasia now serving as the decisive geopolitical chessboard, it no longer suffices to fashion one policy for Europe and another for Asia. What happens with the distribution of power on the Eurasian landmass will be of decisive importance to America's global primacy..."
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180797 Jul 28, 2014
The Condor Case
The human costs of (US) militarization in Latin America
by Arturo Jimenez

Since the early 1960s the U.S. Military and CIA have conducted and trained their Latin American counterparts in the use of torture, electric shocks, sensory deprivation,“self-inflicted” pain techniques, the use of “drugs and hypnosis to induce psychological regression,” as well as other means of interrogation and assassination. In addition to assisting in the overthrow of democratic governments (Brazil, 1964; Chile, 1973...), the CIA helped in the establishment of repressive intelligence agencies across the region that became the coordinating centers in the Condor system.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180798 Jul 28, 2014
Yehuda Ben Meir, deputy foreign minister in the Shamir government

Israel and Latin America: The Military Connection
by Bishara Bahbah, p169
"
It is no secret that there are agreements for U.S.-Israeli cooperation, in Asian countries, Africa, Latin America and Central America. The United States, as a world power, has interests throughout the world. Israel has its own interests in the countries of the world. In some of the places these interests overlap and the two countries cooperate.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180799 Jul 28, 2014
Naomi Klein Canadian author and social activist

"The Americans who engineered countless military coups, death squads and massacres in Latin America never paid for their crimes - instead they got promoted and they're now running the 'War on Terror.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180800 Jul 28, 2014
Noam Chomsky

"On the Global Economic Crisis, Healthcare, US Foreign Policy and Resistance to American Empire
, April 13, 2009 by Democracy Now!

Latin America, for the first time in 500 years, is moving towards a degree of independence and a kind of integration, which is a prerequisite for independence, and also at least is beginning to face some of its massive internal problems.

Latin America has probably the worst inequality in the world. There’s a small wealthy sector, which is extremely rich, but they have no responsibility to the country, so they send their capital to Zurich, they have their second homes in the Riviera, and their children study in Oxford...

So there was a very interesting case last September, when President Morales in Bolivia—Bolivia is, in my opinion at least, probably the most democratic country in the world. Nobody says that, but if you look at what happened in the last couple of years, there were huge, popular, mass organizations of the most repressed population in the hemisphere, the indigenous population, which for the first time ever has entered the political arena significantly and were able to elect a president from their own ranks and one who doesn’t give instructions to his army, but who’s following policies that were largely produced by the population. So he’s their representative, in a sense in which democracy is supposed to work.

[The [people of Latin America] know the issues. It’s not like our elections. They know the issues. They’re serious issues: control over resources, economic justice, cultural rights.

... The elites that have traditionally ruled the country, don’t like it. And they’re threatening virtual secession. And, of course, the United States is backing them, as the media are. "
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180801 Jul 28, 2014
The Militarization of Latin America
by Prof. Atilio Borón
Globalresearch. August 28, 2009
The U.S. empire does not maintain 872 bases and military missions spread across the length and width of the planet so that its troops can experience the delights of multiculturalism or breathe fresh air of life. It maintains them, at enormous cost because they are the principal instrument in a plan of global domination comparable only to that which obsessed Adolf Hitler in the 1930s. To think that those troops and weapons systems are based in Latin America for some reason other than to insure the territorial and political control of a region that experts consider the richest on the planet in terms of its natural resources - water, energy, biodiversity, minerals, agriculture, etcetera - would be unforgivably stupid.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180802 Jul 28, 2014
War criminal!
Henry Kissinger( Ex-sec of State, CFR...), in the 1970s

"
if we can't control Latin America, how can we dominate the world?
The Awakener

Crystal Creek, Australia

#180803 Jul 28, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
<quoted text>
My thinking is that we've trained the Iraqi police and armed forces to the point where they should be able to handle this. Their own people are going to have to step up to the plate whether they want to or not. Farmers and shop owners are going to have to become warriors to the best of their abilities and fight. We've done enough to help them. All they have to do is stop fighting each other and take on the bad guys.
One of the problems is that the tribal-mindset and mentality of this part of the world affects the scenario here. The division on these ideologies between these different sects of Islam has prevented the prospects for social-cohesion.
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Also true. Problem is, ISIS robbed several Iraqi banks to the tune of over 1/2 million $$$, AND commandeered tons of US military weapons and other equipment left for the Iraqis.
But the Iraqis panicked and fled from the approaching ISIS "army" to the northern outskirts of Baghdad. There was also some info about ISIS threatening to take over Baghdad International Airport, but were stopped. You might find this article interesting, even though it's dated 4-29-14.
http://www.vice.com/read/ISIS-Iraq-jihadists-...
IINM, ISIS is made up mostly of Sunni Muslims along with some Ba'athists. I don't know the makeup of the Iraq police and military, but I believe they are mostly Shi'a. If that's the case, there shouldn't be much trouble getting them to fight ISIS.
But if not, Sunnis and Ba'athists are not likely to stand up against their brethren.
ISIS is an offshoot of the Al Qaeda as they still have connections with them to this day. These and other groups will contest in gaining control in the various regional-points of Iraq, Syria and other border areas.

These sons of botroffs are adhering to the archaic-traditions of warfare. Insurgents controlling several neighbourhoods in south-eastern Ramadi is similar to that of the insurgents during the 1300s-1400s.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180804 Jul 28, 2014
The Awakener wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the problems is that the tribal-mindset and mentality of this part of the world affects the scenario here. The division on these ideologies between these different sects of Islam has prevented the prospects for social-cohesion.
<quoted text>
ISIS is an offshoot of the Al Qaeda as they still have connections with them to this day. These and other groups will contest in gaining control in the various regional-points of Iraq, Syria and other border areas.
These sons of botroffs are adhering to the archaic-traditions of warfare. Insurgents controlling several neighbourhoods in south-eastern Ramadi is similar to that of the insurgents during the 1300s-1400s.
Dumb smarty PAnty Sec of State Hillary admits our US helped in financed/Armed and supported in creation of group AlQaedA.

watch the Video on the web!
Hillary Clinton Admits the US. Government Created al-Qaeda
by arsonomics Published on Mar 5, 2012
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted that the U.S. government created and funded the terrorists that we are supposedly fighting today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeaxce

United States

#180805 Jul 28, 2014
How Reagan's Propaganda Succeeded
by Robert Parry (A Special Report) &#8232;
.consortiumnews. March 8, 2010

In the 1980s, CIA propaganda experts and military psy-war specialists oversaw the creation of special programs aimed at managing public perceptions in targeted foreign countries as well as inside the United States.
...[Ronald] Reagan’s CIA Director William J. Casey played a key behind-the-scenes role in pushing [a] political action initiative, which recruited well-heeled private-sector conservatives to subsidize the secretive government operations.
... Casey used a senior CIA propaganda and disinformation specialist named Walter Raymond Jr., who was placed inside the National Security Council in 1982, to oversee the project and to circumvent legal prohibitions against the CIA engaging in propaganda that might influence U.S. public opinion or politics.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeaxce

United States

#180806 Jul 28, 2014
The final chapter of declassified documents from the Ronald Reagan Library, stated:

How Reagan's Propaganda Succeeded
by Robert Parry (A Special Report) &#8232;

[Declassified documents from the Ronald Reagan Library revealed that] the Reagan administration had built a domestic covert propaganda apparatus managed by a CIA disinformation specialist working out of the National Security Council.

One of the CIA’s most senior covert action operators was sent to the NSC in 1983 by CIA Director [William] Casey where he participated in the creation of an inter-agency public diplomacy mechanism that included the use of seasoned intelligence specialists.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeaxce

United States

#180807 Jul 28, 2014
Honduras Resistance Strong Despite US-Supported Coup&#8232;&#8232;
by Bill Quigley and Laura Raymond
June 28, 2010
Coups do not happen in Latin America without the support of those with power in the US.

“The Sky Is Falling!”

Since: Apr 07

Seattle, WA

#180808 Jul 28, 2014
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
You're so sure I'm wrong about why we went into Afghanistan, suppose you state the real reason(s) for the class!
We "went into" Afghanistan because we have absolutely NO CLUE how to stop our meddling in the civil wars of dirt poor nations. We are ADDICTED to warfare. We are terminally ARROGANT. We don't like listening to history...otherwise, it would stop repeating itself.

We have all the wrong people running the expansionist Military/Industrial Complex. We are SICK with power, and know how to shoot ourselves up with it... at the expense of a domestic situation that looks more and more every year like our downfall.

Get it yet? Happy?

“The Sky Is Falling!”

Since: Apr 07

Seattle, WA

#180809 Jul 28, 2014
bad bob wrote:
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It's been a while, but I've been in one (ok maybe 2) flame wars in here. But in those and ALL the flaming I've observed from the sidelines, NONE of the proponents could even come close to matching the lame, juvenile insults you're regurgitating.
If you'd bothered to ask another veteran poster, you'd know that only one or two in here considered Bush to be a true "hero" in the same sense of the brave men & women of our volunteer military. Instead you just ASSumed it from the thread title, and went on to make a huge FOOL of yourself. Smoooooothe!
Oh I realize you're nothing more than a cheap shot, progressive Obama-bot, but Good Lord man, is it even possible you're able to come up with something, ANYthing original?
"Big boob"? Wow, that's a real zinger, popeye. Never heard THAT one before!
Pathetic.
Put your phony patriot costume on and shuffle off old man...your time is up.

“The Sky Is Falling!”

Since: Apr 07

Seattle, WA

#180810 Jul 28, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Dude.
Cracker Jacks called.
There's been a recall on the law license you got out of that last box.
Oh, ain't you cute?

I don't doubt that you really believe Cracker Jacks called and told you that... no doubt. It must have been a really MEANINGFUL social interaction for you, Shut-In.

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