Bush is a hero

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#178518 Jun 19, 2014
common sense wrote:
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I caught you again on the first cast.
Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
Back-peddlin' form---------->grade: C
common sense

Eden Prairie, MN

#178519 Jun 19, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Jeesh, that's just catty.
I'm sorry, Obama made me do it.

On a serious subject, women's rights.

I agree that if your for women's rights....you have to be for all women's rights.

I also don't think political parties fighting about who is more for women's rights changes the reality of it.

George Will was just fired from a newspaper for blaming "progressive-ism" as the cause for the increase in the rape of college women, tho I don't think that explains the same increase of rape in the military.....unless he want's to concede either men just can't control themselves when they come in contact with women or there is an increase in the enlistment of progressives in the military since at least a decade ago.....which no one has made a case for yet or even suggested it that I am aware of....except for George Will on the subject of college campuses. Regardless, women being raped has been a problem as long as this country has existed and goes back much longer than that.

Some, I think wrongly, believe he was blaming the women, I personally think he, being a clumsy guy speaking on a sensitive subject effecting women, chose an example to suit his argument.

He also made the comment that it's estimated 20% of college women are raped on campus and only 12% reported it, he said the facts are that only 12% of college women are raped and the 20% estimate is unsupported(I doubt he uses or supports that methodology when it doesn't suit his argument).

Nevertheless, he has been called conservative by all who know him and is a self described conservative.

Can we agree that liberal, conservative, or any other label doesn't exempt anyone(men or women) from being rapists, accessory to rape, insensitive concerning the subject of rape, or being insensitive to issues that strongly relate to women?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#178520 Jun 19, 2014
common sense wrote:
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What do you suggest we do, BB?
Barry has been Drone drunk for the past 3 years or so. Now when they can be used to cut the head off of the ruthless snake, he curls up in a corner suckin' his thumb.
common sense wrote:
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Is that your attempt at being humorous?
Yes & no.

Since: Nov 08

Chicago, IL

#178521 Jun 19, 2014
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>How about this for a baseline rule for "What To Do About Iraq" - All those who were so utterly wrong about Iraq don't get to give advice on what to do about Iraq.
I don't believe anyone was wrong about Iraq, Hip. Saddam had used chemical munitions on the Kurds, he had a weapons program, and he was in the process of building a strong weapons infrastructure where he could produce anything he wanted. Proof of that is in the intercepted transmissions from his own field commanders asking him when he was going to use his chemical munitions on us when we overran his front-line forces. Even they thought he had them.

All of a sudden, after using them on his people everything disappeared without a trace. There were no more chemical weapons. What happened to them? And how were we going to find out if they were there or not if we didn't go in? Most experts believe he transferred his weapons to Syria.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#178522 Jun 19, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You know, you avoid doing this kind of thing yourself, and aim a barb or two at some of the cons who do the same thing, this might mean something.
Do you know what catty is Willie. It's talking about a person as if they can't hear you but you want them to hear you. I don't do that,and I think you know that (bzzz,bzz and he is this and she said that) and I'm sorry but it isn't the cons who do it, unless you are talking about the neonazis on this thread right now. Just talk right to the person. They are all here, or at least lurking.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#178523 Jun 19, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetiepie could have been talking about abortion.
She could have also been talking about, oh, I dunno,'real rape'(Akin and Mordock), or George Will arguing that women falsely claim rape to get to victimhood status, or writers from The Blaze and The National Review arguing that since consensual sex happens when impaired by drugs or alcohol, all sex while impaired should be considered consensual.
She could have been talking about those kind of things without getting around to abortion.
I really don't know what she was talking about - and neither do you. She swung an overly broad brush there, lisw, but you didn't counter that broad brush. You just insinuated she doesn't really care about women, which wraps her up tight in a neat little package that you can dispose of easily.
Oddly enough, kinda like she did with conservatives. Quite the coincidence, that.
As far as Afghanistan goes ... " In Afghanistan we have doomed women back to the Taliban, where they don't even have the right not to be beaten or killed " is a gross oversimplification of epic proportions. It works if you ignore the realities of foreign policy, the limitations of American power, and in a more general sense, the plight of women across most of the third world regardless of the religion of the region.
There very much IS a cultural aspect to the Taliban, lisw. It's extreme, and obviously it's one of the most contemptible things happening on the planet right now - but I doubt very seriously whether it is within the power of the United States, or of the entire Western world, to stop it or halt it or even slow it down significantly. Just with what we've accomplished to date, we've planted seeds - and those seeds will grow. As they have in every other culture on every corner of the globe, those things will take time.
I can't believe you are saying this. The Taliban is not a culture. They swooped in like vultures after the Ussr and warlords tore Afghanistan apart. To say that murder and rape and abuse are part of the culture is one of the most racist things I've ever heard. It's like believing that everyone but the fundamentalists are going to hell is part of our culture. I thought we thought that there were good muslims.
As far as making assumptions, perhaps I did but I hear it all the time, "I want what I want as a woman and I'm not worried about other women."

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#178524 Jun 19, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know what catty is Willie. It's talking about a person as if they can't hear you but you want them to hear you. I don't do that,and I think you know that (bzzz,bzz and he is this and she said that) and I'm sorry but it isn't the cons who do it, unless you are talking about the neonazis on this thread right now. Just talk right to the person. They are all here, or at least lurking.
Yes, l know what catty is, and yes, you do it yourself from time to time - and if you think the cons don't do it as much as the libs, well, we're back to that right eye problem or selective vision again.

Since Flash reads the thread, I DID say it to the person. Flash won't respond to direct engagement about what Flash believes - I tried when that name/poster first appeared here.

Since: Nov 08

Chicago, IL

#178525 Jun 19, 2014
Here's an interesting article by the CIA explaining that even though he didn't have chemical weapons at various times during inspections and after, he had set up his weapons programs so certain parts could continue to advance while flying under the radar of the inspectors.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-r...
uidiotRaceMakeWo rldpeace

United States

#178526 Jun 19, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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I don't believe anyone was wrong about Iraq, Hip. Saddam had used chemical munitions on the Kurds, he had a weapons program, and he was in the process of building a strong weapons infrastructure where he could produce anything he wanted. Proof of that is in the intercepted transmissions from his own field commanders asking him when he was going to use his chemical munitions on us when we overran his front-line forces. Even they thought he had them.
All of a sudden, after using them on his people everything disappeared without a trace. There were no more chemical weapons. What happened to them? And how were we going to find out if they were there or not if we didn't go in? Most experts believe he transferred his weapons to Syria.
Did you know DICktator SADDAM is a US puppet? And did you now US exported Chemicals/biological dual use material to Iraqi for use?

Since: Nov 08

Chicago, IL

#178527 Jun 19, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I can't believe you are saying this. The Taliban is not a culture. They swooped in like vultures after the Ussr and warlords tore Afghanistan apart. To say that murder and rape and abuse are part of the culture is one of the most racist things I've ever heard. It's like believing that everyone but the fundamentalists are going to hell is part of our culture. I thought we thought that there were good muslims.
As far as making assumptions, perhaps I did but I hear it all the time, "I want what I want as a woman and I'm not worried about other women."
Then how do you explain Saudi Arabia? They don't have an overly large Taliban presence yet they still practice draconian punishment for just about any crime.
uidiotRaceMakeWo rldpeace

United States

#178528 Jun 19, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Jeesh, that's just catty.
Meow! MEOW CAt in the Hat! Meow!:)

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#178529 Jun 19, 2014
common sense wrote:
BB, wasn't marginalizing the Sunnis in Iraq kinda what led up to this bloodletting going on now?
That milquetoast horse's adze in the WH is to blame (IMO). It reared up when Barry backed off the "Red Line" in Syria. Now with the impending elections and him sinking deeper & deeper in the domestic do-do, he'll do just about ANYthing to keep from riling up his left wing base.

IINM, ISIS is made up mostly of former very angry Ba'athist Sunnis, who are so savagely ruthless, even members of al Qaeda are turning into shrinking violets. These goons have brutally murdered 1000's of Iraqi military, police, and anyone else they don't like. They've stolen half a billion $$ from Iraqi banks from Mosul to Khalis, amassed high-tech weapons left behind for the Iraqis by the US, threatened major Iraqi oil fields, and are about to take over Bagdad Airport.

After his golf & fund-raising hitch here in CA, Obama is "holding meetings" to see what options are available to him.

Since: Nov 08

Chicago, IL

#178530 Jun 19, 2014
uidiotRaceMakeWorldpeace wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know DICktator SADDAM is a US puppet? And did you now US exported Chemicals/biological dual use material to Iraqi for use?
If Saddam was a US puppet, why did he refuse to allow the weapons inspectors in when we told him to? A puppet does whatever they are told to do.
common sense

Eden Prairie, MN

#178531 Jun 19, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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I don't believe anyone was wrong about Iraq, Hip. Saddam had used chemical munitions on the Kurds, he had a weapons program, and he was in the process of building a strong weapons infrastructure where he could produce anything he wanted. Proof of that is in the intercepted transmissions from his own field commanders asking him when he was going to use his chemical munitions on us when we overran his front-line forces. Even they thought he had them.
All of a sudden, after using them on his people everything disappeared without a trace. There were no more chemical weapons. What happened to them? And how were we going to find out if they were there or not if we didn't go in? Most experts believe he transferred his weapons to Syria.
Actually, the IAEA weapons inspectors along with David Kay believed Saddam destroyed them after the first gulf war but continued to let his enemies believe he still had them to avoid looking weak and capable of being easily invaded. Looks like his plan was successful.... to a point. There IS no credible evidence of a transfer of chemical or bio weapons cache to Syria.....just as there was no credible evidence of chem and bio weapons caches in Iraq.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#178532 Jun 19, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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Bad Bob doesn't do humor.
Things are tough in Bakersfield.
And your reading comprehension is just slightly better than Global Idiot. Millions are struggling in this economy right now, funnyman!

But I wouldn't EXPECT you to care, worthless freakin' troll!
common sense

Eden Prairie, MN

#178533 Jun 19, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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Then how do you explain Saudi Arabia? They don't have an overly large Taliban presence yet they still practice draconian punishment for just about any crime.
Oil trumps women's rights when it comes to American interest abroad....I mean over seas.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#178534 Jun 19, 2014
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>How about this for a baseline rule for "What To Do About Iraq" - All those who were so utterly wrong about Iraq don't get to give advice on what to do about Iraq.
As I told the ambulance chaser yesterday, I have little use for Obama-enablers.

So grab a hammer, go find a nearby playground and pound sand for a few hours.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#178535 Jun 19, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I can't believe you are saying this. The Taliban is not a culture. They swooped in like vultures after the Ussr and warlords tore Afghanistan apart. To say that murder and rape and abuse are part of the culture is one of the most racist things I've ever heard. It's like believing that everyone but the fundamentalists are going to hell is part of our culture. I thought we thought that there were good muslims.
As far as making assumptions, perhaps I did but I hear it all the time, "I want what I want as a woman and I'm not worried about other women."
I'm racist now?

That's horsehockey, lisw.

I have no idea where the hell this 'I thought there were good Muslims' bullsh*t came from, because I wasn't talking about Muslims in general. How you made that leap is beyond me.

The Taliban are a lot of things, one of the principal things being extreme religious fundamentalists. The emphasis is on extreme, but just how much difference there is between the average tribal Afghan attitude toward women and the attitude of the Taliban is open for debate. It's going to vary from place to place and tribe to tribe, and the more rural and isolated it is (particularly out there in the twilight zone on the border with Pakistan among other areas) the less distance between them.

As I said the Taliban are an extreme - but in general there are similarities to their attitude toward women and what's been happening in the Ayatollah's Iran since the fall of the Shah, for what's been happening in Iraq since Saddam's defeat in the Gulf War made him cozy up to certain clerics (something that's accelerated since Saddam fell), etc etc etc.

That's neither 'racist' nor religious bigotry, lisw - that's just a statement of fact.
uidiotRaceMakeWo rldpeace

United States

#178536 Jun 19, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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If Saddam was a US puppet, why did he refuse to allow the weapons inspectors in when we told him to? A puppet does whatever they are told to do.
He disobey our US command and he got it, hanged! Saddam no longer want to be a US puppet, so decided to go his own way to sell Oil for Gold not for US petrodollar , this got our US in rage , so it begins and decided to use US exported chemicals/biological dual use to make Warfare materials for war to be free from our American neo-imperialist agendas !

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#178537 Jun 19, 2014
Strength and Honor wrote:
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If Saddam was a US puppet, why did he refuse to allow the weapons inspectors in when we told him to? A puppet does whatever they are told to do.
Please don't waste your time trying to engage the idiot - he gets enough encouragement from his entourage (NFL and Eightball).

You're not going to have an intelligible (let alone intelligent) conversation with him, and I'm not talking about the gibberEnglish language. Many before you have tried.

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