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#175938 Mar 21, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if the European leaders 'know more about the situation' than the average American, but they do have more at stake. It is, after all, their back yard, and any reprisals for western economic sanctions (for example) will fall more directly on their countries.
Besides ... getting the European leadership to do anything but talk about not doing something is a lot like herding cats.
I think you're right to say to understand what's going on you need to understand the region's history - but that's damned complicated. You have centuries of ties to Russia, but you also have centuries of attempts on the part of the Ukrainians to go their own way.
You can also overplay the east west struggle - to make this into poor misunderstood Russia being victimized by the west. Sell that one to the Poles. Or the Latvians. Or the Estonians. Or the Lithuanians. Or the Hungarians. Or the citizens of the former Czechoslovakia. Tell the Finns that the Russian incursion into Crimea was just them protecting the rights of Crimean citizens.
Hell ... tell Chechnya that the Russians have decided that if a region doesn't want to be a part of a country, they can just walk away. Chechnya could use a good laugh.
As far as your touching story of the Ukrainian American who thought the Soviet Union was an ideal society ... see, I too know a Ukrainian American who spoke of his travels east. His travels east weren't exactly voluntary, however, and he didn't wax nearly as nostalgic as your acquaintance did.
It's all chatter indeed...
.. ultimately, only time will tell ..

.. personally, I don't think Putin will stop at the Crimea, he wants the Ukraine and Belarus. After that, who knows ??..

.. for all practical purposes, European leadership is looking the other way. Should a NATO Nation be invaded, what do you think will happen ??..

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#175939 Mar 21, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. ultimately, only time will tell ..
.. personally, I don't think Putin will stop at the Crimea, he wants the Ukraine and Belarus. After that, who knows ??..
.. for all practical purposes, European leadership is looking the other way. Should a NATO Nation be invaded, what do you think will happen ??..
I don't think it's a surprise that Putin wants to 'put the band back together': reacquire or at least dominate much of what had been part of the Soviet Union.

To what length he'll go to do it, only time will tell. I do think it's premature to start speculating about a what-if invasion of a NATO country, however.

I don't think it's fair to say that the European leadership is 'looking the other way.' I think they have arguably more limitations on their actions than the U.S. does, since the fallout from a Russian response will fall directly on them. They also have the disadvantage of trying to coordinate the efforts of 25+ nations.

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#175940 Mar 21, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. I understand the culture just fine since my mother was born in Lithuania and I have inhaled books on the history and culture of the area ..
.. along with Hungary and Slovakia, the Baltic states also detest Russia. However, Belarus and Ukraine are historical allies ..
.. it's always about power and money with culture hanging in the balance ..
.. so far, your 'side' only places blame on Obama. What would Bush, Jr. or McCain have done differently? What's your solution ??..
Bush Jr was of the belief "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". he at least had a working relationship with Putin. McCain appeared to take a tougher stance Having been the pig in the breakfast scenario, he didn't shy away from military intervention if needed. I don't have a side, Lesbo, and I don't have an answer but then I didn't run for president. What bothers me most about Obama is he runs around with a cup of water acting like he's putting our major fires. He just hasn't a clue, poor guy.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#175941 Mar 21, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>That's like asking the chicken and the pig if they are ready to make breakfast. I'd be the chicken, with something to lose but not as much as others. But when do we draw a line. We waited and watched and yelled no war, while Hitler did what he did. I wonder if we are going to "get into that" anyway. Russia was at it's meekest when it was struggling to provide enough food for its people. Yes people get hurt but do we ust let him keep going?
I'm not saying that stopping Putin can be accomplished painlessly, but I don't think it's the place of the President of the United States to gamble with the economies of our Western European allies. My point to you was only that as a President, sitting at the desk where the buck stops, I doubt Romney or McCain would have slapped sanctions on as quickly as you think they might have.

I don't know where we draw the line. What I do know is that before we can talk about where to draw the line we need to figure out two things - what we can do, and what we're willing to pay to do it.

We haven't had those conversations yet. So far we've got wishful (if not magical) thinking - if the President wasn't a rookie, if the President wasn't weak, if only my guy was in there, blah blah blah, then Putin wouldn't dare. We can't have those conversations in a realistic way until we put that noise aside.
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United States

#175942 Mar 21, 2014
I"M HOME !

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#175943 Mar 21, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying that stopping Putin can be accomplished painlessly, but I don't think it's the place of the President of the United States to gamble with the economies of our Western European allies. My point to you was only that as a President, sitting at the desk where the buck stops, I doubt Romney or McCain would have slapped sanctions on as quickly as you think they might have.
I don't know where we draw the line. What I do know is that before we can talk about where to draw the line we need to figure out two things - what we can do, and what we're willing to pay to do it.
We haven't had those conversations yet. So far we've got wishful (if not magical) thinking - if the President wasn't a rookie, if the President wasn't weak, if only my guy was in there, blah blah blah, then Putin wouldn't dare. We can't have those conversations in a realistic way until we put that noise aside.
One cannot ignore the effect of a different hand guiding the ship.Would Adolf had been as bold if he had to deal with Winston instead of Neville?
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175944 Mar 21, 2014
So you afraid to face me ,( are u a mouse or a man?) giving me those cute negative icons,.... Come out and face me if you are a man! Bababababaaaa

Since: Jun 08

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#175945 Mar 21, 2014
Freebird USA wrote:
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One cannot ignore the effect of a different hand guiding the ship.Would Adolf had been as bold if he had to deal with Winston instead of Neville?
Did you ever read "the Yellow Star"? The Danes stood up to the Nazis and though the Nazi's didn't leave, things were much different in Denmark. All but about twenty jews got out.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175946 Mar 21, 2014
Lyndi wrote:
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Um, it probably would have been helpful when Romney et al warned of this very thing, that Obama and the rest of you liberal "hug our enemies 'til they hug us back," didn't laugh your heads off.....{ Pssst. Even Palin predicted this waaaaaay back. 2008? 2009?
Over his head in Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Iraq, Russia. He's over his head with Mexico, with Cuba, with Israel with Venezuela......Over his head when he thought al Qeada was on the run and decimated. Oops. Over his head when he drew lines in Syria and had no follow through. Oops. Over his head when Putin brokered the deal on chemical weapons in Syria. Oops. Over his head when Snowden took a duffle bag full of sensitive information and moved to Moscow....Oops. Over his head with Hillary Clinton and her stupid re-set button. Oops.
Are you KIDDING me? He's a foreign policy buffoon and Putin knows it. Everybody knows it.
Lemme tell you something. When Comrade former KGB Putin took a looksie at Obama's resume and saw Community organizer, Community agitator, junior senator, tree hugger extraordinaire and windmill and solar panel specialist salesman; then listened to his liberal utopian blah blah and reduction of military spending etc. I guarantee you he started licking his chops at how incredibly lucky he was at how incredibly stupid the US was.
Did you know our US militaritistic/neo-Imperialist WORLDWIDE bullying agendas had the world on the edge and many nations worldwide no longer trust us. our US ! Sad is not?

Bhahahahaaaa
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175947 Mar 21, 2014
Bush Is The Greatest wrote:
<quoted text> Bush was the only one with the balls, to take out Saddass Hussein, Hussein deserved to Die !!!!! And so did Bin Laden !!!!! Thank You President Bush !!!!!
u no not much about our US/WORLD history, as DiCKtator Saddam, a US puppet , no longer followed US instructions ,he got canned ! Biggest DICKtor Bushjr aand Co are Warmonger! who had ruined the US morally and financially!
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175948 Mar 21, 2014
KNOW = NO! bAHAHHAAAAA

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#175949 Mar 21, 2014
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>
One cannot ignore the effect of a different hand guiding the ship.Would Adolf had been as bold if he had to deal with Winston instead of Neville?
That's a pretty good question, and obviously it's not one anyone can answer definitively.

That different hand would have been on the helm of the same ship. Churchill could have spoken far more sternly and much more eloquently against Hitler from a position of power as Prime Minister instead of the back-bench wilderness, certainly more than Chamberlain. Eloquence and sternness alone wouldn't have made up for the woeful deficiencies in the British army or air forces. It's unlikely to have done anything to stiffen the resolve of the French, without whom British options against German were next to nil.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175950 Mar 21, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Bush Jr was of the belief "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". he at least had a working relationship with Putin. McCain appeared to take a tougher stance Having been the pig in the breakfast scenario, he didn't shy away from military intervention if needed. I don't have a side, Lesbo, and I don't have an answer but then I didn't run for president. What bothers me most about Obama is he runs around with a cup of water acting like he's putting our major fires. He just hasn't a clue, poor guy.
i'd analyzed you having clue , as most us Americans are clueless about the world/history..., IMO , Putin trying to save last vestige of EuroAsia that they have allies with, are important strategic allocations that US wants and will not allow our US to surround the neighboring countries next to Russia with missiles silos...
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175951 Mar 21, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not saying that stopping Putin can be accomplished painlessly, but I don't think it's the place of the President of the United States to gamble with the economies of our Western European allies. My point to you was only that as a President, sitting at the desk where the buck stops, I doubt Romney or McCain would have slapped sanctions on as quickly as you think they might have.
I don't know where we draw the line. What I do know is that before we can talk about where to draw the line we need to figure out two things - what we can do, and what we're willing to pay to do it.
We haven't had those conversations yet. So far we've got wishful (if not magical) thinking - if the President wasn't a rookie, if the President wasn't weak, if only my guy was in there, blah blah blah, then Putin wouldn't dare. We can't have those conversations in a realistic way until we put that noise aside.
Our Western Allies are already not so thrill about many US macroeconomic wars,geopolitical wars , intel wars on them. And,our G6 allies even made economic/financial pacts with those Axis nations that US deplores. Ironic is not/

Bahhahaaaa
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175952 Mar 21, 2014
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks I appreciate that response. Here's a reprint of what Lyndi said:
"It's too bad no one had a conversation prior to WW11 with the little group of thugs forming the National Socialist German Workers Party. If there had been an open dialogue when Mein Kampf was published, if Hitler's little road map to the an Aryan race and his personal manifesto had been honestly and openly addressed, maybe 6+ million Jews wouldn't have been slaughtered 20 years later."
Now would ya please explain why you think her comments were so "horribly wrong"?
Because I'm seeing a similarity, albeit condensed.
USA is on same path as Hilter, that u kowtow to, no thanks to our US Neocons' warmongers supporters like your evil ilks! ABbabababababaaaa Are you incensed yet
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175953 Mar 21, 2014
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Our Western Allies are already not so thrill about many US macroeconomic wars,geopolitical wars , intel wars on them. And,our G6 allies even made economic/financial pacts with those Axis nations that US deplores. Ironic is not/
Bahhahaaaa
correction *'...G6 nations and our few US allies made...
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175954 Mar 21, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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And I don't speak for anyone but me of course. I can't hazard a guess why she said that but do see elements of the piling on aspect just as with Paula Deen. Never mind that woman worked to get Obama in office. Once the ball is rolling nothing else matters. Not that Lyndi needs me or anyone to defend her but I really doubt she is a racist having read her here for some time. She also said other things in the post that really were not addressed. How has the war on poverty worked out circa LbJ ? Does anyone here really think if only we spent more money?
this above post of your to WWW! In a post way back made by Lyndi already brainwashed to have hate for the Mooslims.., Note, I'm not a Muslim.]
Our US spends too much money on too many illegtiimate overseas wars and not enough money put into stamping out Poverty at home, how is that justifiable to shamefully overspending our US taxpayers that benefit only few of our greedy corrupted US leaders in power/corporatists/cronys and their sycophantics ilks...?
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175955 Mar 21, 2014
Naturally Wired wrote:
Bush set up the Gitmo Hotel. I applaud his efforts in tourism and business.
Many satisfied muslim customers had enjoyable stays at the 5 star resort. The resort had activites such as waterboarding and even the occasional game where Marines nailed moon cultist nuts to the floor for back talking.
Thank You President Bush.
Now set up awhile back and most likely still in service and transfer most of gitmo prisoners to old outdated update ww2 US Naval ships , i called them Gitmo Cruise liners ! As our US taxpayer money is paying for it out of you little empty pockets! BAbabababaabaa
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175956 Mar 21, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>You talk lots but don't demonstrate much understanding of culture. I know about as much about Russia as most educated americans and have some insight gained from in laws that came from that Eastern block, specifically Hungary and Slovakia. In those nations as well as the Ukraine, they identified much more with the west than the east. To put it bluntly they hated the Russians.
My point is that McCain could have been trusted from the get go to supply arms if requested and to impose sanctions immediately without wringing his hands. Obama has waited too long and has played right into the hands of Putin. Putin now has the piece of the Ukraine that provides some sort of hope for the Ukraine to prosper. I'm sure he offered a sweet deal to the crimeans.
Sanctions I would have hoped the Europeans would have imposed along with the US? Refusal to accept the ruble and refusal to buy natural gas from Russia. Ah, but people like their creature comforts.
It's not about culture sweetie, It's about money.
Actually most the Europeans people don't want/opposed to US putting up the many nuclar missile silos in their back backyards as it only be causing instability in the region/ border . and while the many of its own people disagree its european leaders , as to allow the US missile silos to be put up in Europe and which had waken Russia to a counter of its own, so?

U forgot US is in Asia and SE asia causing a big scene ! And that is not close , US all over place worldwide causing a big scene covertly and overtly!

Bahahhaaaaa
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175957 Mar 21, 2014
Lyndi wrote:
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Seniors get a pass but I'm a staunch supporter of the DON'T BREED WHAT YOU CAN'T FEED program in 3rd world countries and the US.
Now, go gasp. Or faint........ or whatever it is you do.
Some of American professional critics/activists/human rights ... said US take advantages/bully many third world nations SO? Hmmmmmm!

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