Bush is a hero

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#175083 Feb 22, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Bush and Obama ain't nothing but Presidents.
They had the same impact on the situations involving Putin and his neighbors as Roosevelt I did between Russia and Japan. They had the same impact as Harding, Hoover, and Roosevelt II did on Japan and China. They had as much impact as Roosevelt did on all of Hitler and Mussolini's aggressions, as Eisenhower did in the USSR's crushing the Hungarian Revolution, as Johnson did in the USSR's crushing the Prague Spring, as Bush I did on Saddam Husein's invasion of Kuwait, as Carter and Reagan did the Ayatollahs.
That impact, short of war, is not much. It didn't matter if they were eloquent speakers with charisma or plain old ordinary guys. It had nothing to do with their failures, and everything to do the way the world works.
There it is. Always gooda "see" ya, TriDub ;).

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#175084 Feb 22, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Fine, you don't believe that a diplomatic move will work.
What other options do we have? You threw Obama's alleged lack of faith in our military in your post - are you suggesting we have a military option in the Ukraine?
If you think a speech by an American president - any American president - could have diffused a situation like the Ukraine, please show me a comparable example. The Brandenburg Gate speech isn't one. The situations were very very different. The situation in Berlin was horrible - but it was static. That speech was a well planned, well executed, gentle push on a house that was collapsing. The situation in the Ukraine right now, on the other hand, is dynamic and volatile, and not one where a gentle push can be effective.
The power of speech and charisma of American presidents - Obama, Reagan, and the rest of them - is domestic. Occasionally something they say (Wilson's 14 Points, Kennedy's Ich bin ein Berliner, Reagan's Brandenburg Gate speech) inspire people all over the world - but they have a negligible impact on world leaders, especially those who are 'acting badly'.
It's not lack of faith in our military, it's disdain of our military. No I'm not suggesting a military option, but I do honestly think that if on day one, Obama had addressed this with a strength of conviction that said something like " we stand for freedom, you are not acting like a democracy, the leader needs to step down etc." in the so called great rhetoric of Obama at least democracy would feel supported. Saying "there will be consequences " with Obama's track record is like saying to the kids "wait til your father gets home" then they know they can run all over you.
Today what's his name is saying he will not quit the presidency. If Obama said he should then he says to Putin, to the Ukrainian president and the people that he stands on the side of right and if need be all options are on the table. I am tired of him waiting and seeing before speaking. How long has this gone on before he even deigned to address it?

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#175085 Feb 22, 2014
Did anyone catch the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon and his interview with the first lady? I didn't but saw the video later and she called the youth of our country knuckleheads. That's what I'm talking about. You keep the youth on their parents insurance until they are 26, make sure grown women don't have to pay for BC, and do as much as you can to make the milleniums dependent and then you call them knuckleheads. Now you might say "that's Michelle talking, not Obama" but I'm of the opinion that Michelle and her best bud Valerie have a great deal to say about what the president does.
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#175086 Feb 22, 2014
is the world idiots guy gone?? i miss him

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#175087 Feb 22, 2014
This is not intended as an endorsement of Obama, but Bush did leave him an ungodly mess to deal with

USA_1

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#175088 Feb 22, 2014
courteous europhobe Fudd wrote:
is the world idiots guy gone?? i miss him
I thought about starting a Where's CHOCOLATE FACE thread. The fake illiterate Aussie is really getting boring. LOL....

USA_1

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Tanner Flats

#175089 Feb 22, 2014
flbadcatowner wrote:
This is not intended as an endorsement of Obama, but Bush did leave him an ungodly mess to deal with
This isn't intended to be a Bush endorsement, but the so called mess Barry O inherited, is a tired horse carcass, that's been beaten into oblivion. I long for times that we lived in, under that so called mess Bush created. Obama took it to the edge of the precipice and beyond. We most likely are past the point of no return. Just think, what will the next POTUS be complaining about, Bush's mess or Obama's disaster?

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Lafayette IN

#175090 Feb 22, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, why the change? President Obama since his early days has made it clear what he thinks of people that disagree with his pov. I long ago lost count the times he calls out Rush, Beck, Foxnews just to name a few. Can't remember any other potus in my life so often or really ever being so consumed with the opposition. The so called monitors you say. Sorry that crap dog don't hunt. As I'm sure you know who Mignon Clyburn is and her father after Tuscon once again calling for the fairness doctrine. This stinks and just because the light of day is on this now I see people like Jim Clyburn, like President Clinton after the Okc bombing blaming Rush little changes.
Why the change?

Because the jargon use of the word monitor gave certain parties an excuse to make a mountain out of a molehill.

This survey sounded like a pretty dumb idea to me. I'm certainly not upset that it got cancelled. That point may have gotten lost in the ridiculous conversation we've been having about it, where imaginary boogeymen are going to overturn the first amendment and put censors in the newsrooms blah-blah-blah yada-yada-yada.

You're right about one thing, though. Nothing changes.

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#175091 Feb 22, 2014
USA_1 wrote:
<quoted text>I thought about starting a Where's CHOCOLATE FACE thread. The fake illiterate Aussie is really getting boring. LOL....
You already did you freakin idiot.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TVTOLEQ...

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#175092 Feb 22, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>It's not lack of faith in our military, it's disdain of our military. No I'm not suggesting a military option, but I do honestly think that if on day one, Obama had addressed this with a strength of conviction that said something like " we stand for freedom, you are not acting like a democracy, the leader needs to step down etc." in the so called great rhetoric of Obama at least democracy would feel supported. Saying "there will be consequences " with Obama's track record is like saying to the kids "wait til your father gets home" then they know they can run all over you.
Today what's his name is saying he will not quit the presidency. If Obama said he should then he says to Putin, to the Ukrainian president and the people that he stands on the side of right and if need be all options are on the table. I am tired of him waiting and seeing before speaking. How long has this gone on before he even deigned to address it?
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.

On the one hand, you say "No I'm not suggesting a military option."

On the other hand you say you think Obama should say to/should have said to "...Putin, to the Ukrainian president and the people that he stands on the side of right and if need be all options are on the table."

Doesn't all options on the table include a military option?

I don't think the situation in the Ukraine warrants an 'all options are on the table' statement from the President of the United States. You'd have to have genuine disdain for the military to put them into that FUBAR of a clusterf**k, or even consider it.

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Since: Dec 06

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#175093 Feb 22, 2014
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
You already did you freakin idiot.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TVTOLEQ...
Beaverton, OR ... is that near Wolverton Mountain?

;-)

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Since: May 07

Safety Harbor, FL

#175094 Feb 22, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Why the change?
Because the jargon use of the word monitor gave certain parties an excuse to make a mountain out of a molehill.
This survey sounded like a pretty dumb idea to me. I'm certainly not upset that it got cancelled. That point may have gotten lost in the ridiculous conversation we've been having about it, where imaginary boogeymen are going to overturn the first amendment and put censors in the newsrooms blah-blah-blah yada-yada-yada.
You're right about one thing, though. Nothing changes.
That's funny, for the last 2 days I listened to a few national host and a local one speak to the issue. None of them nor any of the callers said this would overturn the first amendment. Several voiced a healthy concern that in light of everything else in the last few years this was disturbing. But you are right, why even pretend to talk about the trend when you can just rant as you did here about boogeymen ect. I was thankful that in the 2 days 80,000 plus people also seem to share a concern of this. I know, its just paranoia in your world.

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Since: May 07

Safety Harbor, FL

#175095 Feb 22, 2014
lisw wrote:
Did anyone catch the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon and his interview with the first lady? I didn't but saw the video later and she called the youth of our country knuckleheads. That's what I'm talking about. You keep the youth on their parents insurance until they are 26, make sure grown women don't have to pay for BC, and do as much as you can to make the milleniums dependent and then you call them knuckleheads. Now you might say "that's Michelle talking, not Obama" but I'm of the opinion that Michelle and her best bud Valerie have a great deal to say about what the president does.
Missed it. Right on especially on Jarrett. I still remember her praising the then green jobs czar Van Jones. What a joke and here again I find myself in agreement with something Hip posted long ago (paraphrased). We don't have to worry about an offshore enemy, we are the enemy. If Hip didn't say that please correct me.

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#175096 Feb 22, 2014
USA_1 wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't intended to be a Bush endorsement, but the so called mess Barry O inherited, is a tired horse carcass, that's been beaten into oblivion. I long for times that we lived in, under that so called mess Bush created. Obama took it to the edge of the precipice and beyond. We most likely are past the point of no return. Just think, what will the next POTUS be complaining about, Bush's mess or Obama's disaster?
Trillion dollar deficits were predicted even before Obama took office. Obama has cut that considerably. All we need is for both major parties to get serious about the many millions of outsourced jobs that are keeping Americans from finding employment.

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Lafayette IN

#175097 Feb 22, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
That's funny, for the last 2 days I listened to a few national host and a local one speak to the issue. None of them nor any of the callers said this would overturn the first amendment. Several voiced a healthy concern that in light of everything else in the last few years this was disturbing. But you are right, why even pretend to talk about the trend when you can just rant as you did here about boogeymen ect. I was thankful that in the 2 days 80,000 plus people also seem to share a concern of this. I know, its just paranoia in your world.
No, Chris, it's paranoia in the real world.

You've concluded "[t]his nation is over some just don't know it yet", right?
(post #174974)

That's the very definition of paranoia, in my opinion.

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Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#175098 Feb 22, 2014
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
You already did you freakin idiot.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TVTOLEQ...
Who's the mental patient you chose for YOUR avatar? Looks wildeyed, as though he ran outta his meds.

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Since: May 07

Safety Harbor, FL

#175099 Feb 22, 2014
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>No, Chris, it's paranoia in the real world.
You've concluded "[t]his nation is over some just don't know it yet", right?
(post #174974)
That's the very definition of paranoia, in my opinion.
Yes I think that. I might agree with you if it kept me up at night, it doesn't. Just read a bit where former sc judge John Paul Stevens thinks the 2nd amendment shouldn't apply to private citizens but to those only serving in the militia. These forums are often filled with people, some from this nation some from others, that would love it and say outright we need more limits on speech by calling certain things hate speech. President Obama after the Tuscon shooting said we need to watch incendiary rhetoric but just like a fake war on women it only seems to apply to part of the population. We keep running our national debt to the moon and have no real way to ever pay it off and this to me is where the crap will hit the fan. Most people don't care as long as things are relatively comfortable. What do I know I just drive a truck and pay my bills but this guy does think we long ago passed the point of no return. Here is hope years from now someone pulls this post up and it is just crazy talk, things are good, people are working and loving life being free. Speaking on free see this?

United States' press freedom ranking drops sharply, report says

excerpt;
Reporters Without Borders’ annual Freedom Index report ranked the United States 46th in the world regarding freedom of information, a drop of 13 spots from 2012. The report cited the trial and conviction of Private Bradley Manning, the pursuit of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden and the Justice Department’s seizure of Associated Press phone records in an effort to find the source of a CIA leak, among other cases.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/18/un...

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Lafayette IN

#175100 Feb 22, 2014
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I think that. I might agree with you if it kept me up at night, it doesn't. Just read a bit where former sc judge John Paul Stevens thinks the 2nd amendment shouldn't apply to private citizens but to those only serving in the militia. These forums are often filled with people, some from this nation some from others, that would love it and say outright we need more limits on speech by calling certain things hate speech. President Obama after the Tuscon shooting said we need to watch incendiary rhetoric but just like a fake war on women it only seems to apply to part of the population. We keep running our national debt to the moon and have no real way to ever pay it off and this to me is where the crap will hit the fan. Most people don't care as long as things are relatively comfortable. What do I know I just drive a truck and pay my bills but this guy does think we long ago passed the point of no return. Here is hope years from now someone pulls this post up and it is just crazy talk, things are good, people are working and loving life being free. Speaking on free see this?
United States' press freedom ranking drops sharply, report says
excerpt;
Reporters Without Borders’ annual Freedom Index report ranked the United States 46th in the world regarding freedom of information, a drop of 13 spots from 2012. The report cited the trial and conviction of Private Bradley Manning, the pursuit of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden and the Justice Department’s seizure of Associated Press phone records in an effort to find the source of a CIA leak, among other cases.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/18/un...
I know you think we've passed the point of no return. We're done, we're cooked, the party's over, the rotund woman is about to sing.

Perhaps of interest, perhaps not, I'm reading a book about the 1939-1941 time frame. Seems we were done then too, at least in the eyes of some. I mean, if Roosevelt won reelection to a third term &/or we got into the war, we'd have to become a fascist dictatorship with a state controlled economy and that would be forever.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

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#175102 Feb 22, 2014
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's the mental patient you chose for YOUR avatar? Looks wildeyed, as though he ran outta his meds.
I'm thinking some serial killer he has the hots for.

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Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#175103 Feb 22, 2014
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm thinking some serial killer he has the hots for.
Sure looks that way Lis.

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