Bush is a hero
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#171024 Oct 30, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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The whole experiment rested on the belief that we could do better than "they". That we knew what was best for us, not "they". I still believe that. But enough of the people in this country now, and over time, believe that "they" know best, that "they" should lead, that "they" should take over responsibilities, that "they" should dictate, "they" should control, "they" should enforce, "they" should be the final word.
I wonder if you've read the Constitutional debates, the Federalist papers, and the Anti-Federalist papers? I've read them at leisure here and there over the years, and again recently, what with all the "return to the Founding Father's intent" sort of talk. I'm not sure where your "we vs. they" argument comes in? OK I admit it - I'm not even sure what your "we vs. they" argument means....?

No one in the gov't took over anything in regards to personal health care or choice, in spite of all bluster to the contrary, except to utilize the Heritage Foundation/Republican conception of an individual mandate, seeing as it is a personal responsibility that many people were shirking. Then we had the spectacle of many others of claimed "personal" and "fiscal responsibility" enabling them by screaming about the "liberty" to foist their costs secretly on the rest of us by the least cost-effective means possible.

I'm not sure there's been a more glaring example of blatant mob hypocrisy in my lifetime. The ACA works to end that national hypocrisy. As I feel I walk the talk with standards of personal and fiscal responsibility, for me that's a good thing. It is a shame the government had to be the one to do it, because people couldn't or wouldn't do it for themselves.

It's also a good thing that the gov't institute a program that would help people who would provide for themselves but simply can't due to the crushing cost of commodified sickness and misery. I sure don't mind if the good ol' Doc makes a living, but I think it's a national stain that we are so afraid of the slur of "socialism" that we actually prefer a system that bankrupts entire families into the next generation for the crime of contracting a catastrophic injury or illness. We who aren't ill (yet) are left like the nervous wildebeest watching the lion devour the weak, and secretly glad it was him and not us.

I've said all along - if we pass a law that forbids caregivers from defraying indigent costs among the rest of us, then I agree - the reason for the individual mandate would be moot. Nothing else in the ACA infringes one iota on personal liberty.
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if you could say the experiment failed, I reckon that would depend on what outcome you were looking for. For the people that used their rights and votes to build and empower a massive, disfunctional Federal government, well, I suppose it was a ringing success. Personally, I believe the experiment has failed, and I believe our country is in dire straights because of it. Time will tell.
Anytime anyone wants to realistically discuss the considerable and concerted efforts by the modern anti-Federalists (read "privatizers") to purposely weaken gov't to make it appear dysfunctional with an eye toward rewarding donors with work previously assigned to gov't, I think that would shed a valuable light on your, unfortunately true, characterization. We can do better, we have done better, but many others are vested in profiting from what we used to do for ourselves >thru our unique representative gov't< and are actively pulling us backward in order to get that work in private hands but still paid FROM the public till.

Many nations have figured out how to care for their people AND prosper, and they are leaving us behind to quarrel over semantics like "socialism".

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#171025 Oct 30, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>Well, color me disappointed. All we've heard is "a friend of a friend said their premiums went up". You echoed the same, and all I asked was,
Outline for us please how much your "dramatically increased premiums and deductibles" were? Then please show how these "dramatic increases and deductibles" compare to the rate increases over, say the last twenty years?
an' ye lef' me hangin'. An' here I ast nice an' all.
I do apologize for the "yaaaaaaaaawwwn"! I was after a strong opening statement and stepped on me tail instead. Please disregard.

As for your "outline" assignment, being somewhat lazy, I have no desire to chase down comparitive numbers for you or anyone else. If you wanna try wool gathering, you know how to do it.

The reports I'm hearing, and they are numerous, have only just begun.
And state after state is reporting the same thing. People are being dropped from their insurance policies, because they are "inadequate" under the new ACA guidelines.

For others, "sticker shock" is the buzz phrase. Some premiums are being increased by an avg $2400, with deductibles going from $500 to $2000 on avg.

I saw a poll yesterday showing doctors who will NOT participate in the ACA at 42%, doctors who are not sure if they will, at 42%, and the rest WILL sign on.

All ya need to do is watch Obama's press secretary Jay Carney to see how bad things are getting for the king. There hasn't been dancing of this scale and dexterity since Fred & Adele performed.
UIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#171026 Oct 30, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>Little side note. Our news had a story I think yesterday we may soon be taxed for every mile we drive. Most new cars and trucks already have the electronics to make this possible. I would have to quit this gig as soon as it happened. I see no way out. China is making noise about dumping the usd. Forward indeed.
Not just China Sooner or later some of world will be Dumping USD as FX reserve for what US did in the past and present and even our some of our few western allies are not so thrill and reprimanded what US is doing to their economy. and, our US banks starting to sent out letters to US consumers stating Foreign FX of USD is limited , u tell me what it means . u must be living in a cave! Abhahahaaa

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#171027 Oct 30, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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This is from a 100 page report issued last month by the IMF (the world's central bank) and distributed to the G-20 nations titled "Fiscal Monitor...Taxing Times."
"The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a "capital levy", a one-off tax on private wealth as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. The appeal is that such a tax, if it is implemented before avoidance is possible and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior (and may even be seen by some as fair). The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away."
So rather than facing the "risks" of debt default or massive currency devaluation, the IMF recommends a blitzkrieg attack on personal holdings, a claim of eminent domain over a portion of every citizens personal wealth. And this isn't even for debt reduction, but simply for debt sustainability. Amazing.
Not only amazing LIT, but if actually implemented, could be the beginning of the end.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#171028 Oct 30, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
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I just think they're doing something that needs doin'. These glitches will get worked out soon, and by next year......Ted Cruz' piss-pants vision shall edge toward reality for millions of formerly uninsured AND I will be content knowing I ain't subsidizing so many nice but irresponsibly uninsured folk thru the Emergency Room.
Well hell man. The $$Billions in annual entitlements to illegal aliens would be MORE than enough to pay those ER tabs. Ya probably wouldn't hafta fork up ANY $$ at all.
UIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#171029 Oct 30, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Well hell man. The $$Billions in annual entitlements to illegal aliens would be MORE than enough to pay those ER tabs. Ya probably wouldn't hafta fork up ANY $$ at all.
We took more from the world than give back ,and is time to give a little back, How our US become so rich ? our US FTA bills like the NAFTA , CAFTA and others had ruined their country infrastructure and even ruined US jobs ... Those illegals would had stayed home if our bullying /warring US didn't plundered their nation(s) resources... You really are ignorant, lacking the mental facility comprehend what US militaristic imperialism had negative impact on the world masses and Americans at home. DUH!

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#171030 Oct 30, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Well hell man. The $$Billions in annual entitlements to illegal aliens would be MORE than enough to pay those ER tabs. Ya probably wouldn't hafta fork up ANY $$ at all.
Fabulous. Is the plan to eliminate all the illegal aliens, by rounding them up like cattle and executing them, Bob?

Or maybe just deporting them to an Antarctic island, and washing your hands of them...yeah, that sounds more like you.

And if not, what DO you suggest, to 'rid the country' of this scourge?

Since: Apr 07

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#171031 Oct 30, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Iraq was bolstered by China, Russia, Chirac's France, and to some extent, Germany.

Regardless of how Hussein came to power (IMO), there comes a time when an oppressive reign turns into human rights violations. No dictator on earth should have the power to use and abuse, beat, rape, and murder anyone he feels doesn't comply with his wishes, whether it's his own people or neighbors.

And I realize the US is NOT the global police force. But I believe since [we] were already in Iraq, it was our duty to stop Hussein from continuing his rule of terror. To leave him in power would have sent the wrong message to other ruthless autocrats, and caused MANY sleepless nights, knowing that something could've been done.

Bush the elder had a chance to go after Hussein at the end of the 1st Gulf War, but the doves in Washington told GHW that his mission was complete. It was time to withdraw.

If it was my decision, I'd have sent Gen Schwarzkopf & his army to Baghdad. Considering the turn of events and horrible loss of lives during the GW Bush Iraq war, do you think that would have been a good idea back then?
For what it's worth, I do.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#171032 Oct 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
The Scandal
=====
Bob: "Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?
Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the State Department lying about Benghazi?"
Bob: "No, not that one."
Jim: "You mean voter fraud?"
Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the use of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"
Bob: "No, a different one."
Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"
Bob: "No the other one:.

Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The Dept. of Justice spying on the press?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving Solyndra $500 MILLION and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"
Bob: "No, not that one."
Jim: "The president's threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper, and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Bob: "No, not that one."

Jim: "I give up!... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean those 65 misguided voters, many of whom don't pay taxes and get tons of free stuff from actual taxpayers and stuck us with the most pandering, corrupt, unfit presidential administration in American history?"
Bob: "YEAH! THAT'S THE ONE!"
Priceless :)

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#171033 Oct 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
Sebelious:
.....just can't decide if she's more inclined to wear Prada or steal dalmatian puppies.
Let's hope she chooses the Prada. If she can't even answer a question truthfully I doubt she's capable of caring for puppies.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#171034 Oct 30, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Fabulous. Is the plan to eliminate all the illegal aliens, by rounding them up like cattle and executing them, Bob?
<DISCLAIMER> Normally I don't respond to worthless trolls like you, but ya happen to catch me in a rare good mood.

Show the class where I said "eliminate all the illegal aliens" in that msg. I don't even see it encrypted.
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
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Or maybe just deporting them to an Antarctic island, and washing your hands of them...yeah, that sounds more like you.
Obviously you have NO idea what "sounds more like" me. Because if I were in charge of deporting illegal aliens, I'd just send them back where they came from, and tell 'em to apply for US citizenship like other LEGAL immigrants have been doing. The Antarctic Island scenario sounds more like a cold, calculating b(u)tch. Know anyone like that?
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>
And if not, what DO you suggest, to 'rid the country' of this scourge?
I've already delineated exactly what I'd do on numerous occasions, most recently several months ago. If you weren't payin' attention, that's not something in which I'm concerned.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#171035 Oct 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Cruz was referencing a national dialogue, he wasn't singling out any one group. But your styrofoam roadblock was cute. And bobin, personally attacking fellow republicans is a two way street. I've been listening to you and your hard core right wing conservatives blasting moderates for weeks for not going along with Cruz and I'm infinitely pleased they didn't.

Let me pose this to you. Had Cruz succeeded in defunding the ACA, the dialogue we're having now about how truly dysfunctional it is wouldn't be happening. Hopefully you can bring yourself to agreeing with me on that point. We'd still be in speculation mode.
And I'm not talking about the technical problems. I am talking about the crushing effects of this legislation which would fundamentally change healthcare, the economic climate and the political tone in the country for the forseeable future and those changes we are seeing up close and personal is because the law did NOT get defunded. I'm of the opinion that sometimes a populace needs to feel and see and negative effects of particular legislation in order to be convinced it really is a bad idea; not unlike letting a child fall off a bike who insists on riding one without training wheels before they're big enough. The overly cocky and headstrong sometimes need to fall off and scrap a knee and it needs to hurt a little in order to get their attention.

Had Cruz gotten his way, he would have been doing Obama a great big favor and I, along with a lot of other people in this country am in no mood to do him any favors. It would have bought him time ro repair and bandaid and patch the thing up, get his talking points in better in order to roll it out more smoothly and I adamantly believe as painful as this thing is and the nasty repercussions of people losing their insurance, prices soaring, peoples hours being cut, jobs lost and people yelling, "Hey, wait a minute, that's not what I was told," absolutely needed to happen. America needed to feel the pain of this thing and those opposed to it from the outset, needed to be able to say with 100% surety, "I told you this would happen and now here's the proof." If the ACA is allowed to fail because it is a failed idea of the desperately flawed ideology called liberalism, then hallelujah. I've been wanting to prove that to the whimsical left, for ages.

And how bad is this monstrous liberal plan? They need young healthy Americans to sign on to make the thing fly. What the head in the clouds liberals forget, is due to Obama's liberal economic policies, there are NO jobs for young people ergo they have no money to squander on something they don't need, don't want and can't afford. Obama, Obamcare and the liberal philosophy is about to get a great big wake up called, IT DOESN'T WORK and if everyone would get the hell out of the way and let it happen, maybe we can get on with a more rational dialogue.
Yep. "Pride goes before a fall."

Obama & Co. should have remembered that bit of Biblical wisdom.
UIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#171036 Oct 31, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Cruz was referencing a national dialogue, he wasn't singling out any one group. But your styrofoam roadblock was cute. And bobin, personally attacking fellow republicans is a two way street. I've been listening to you and your hard core right wing conservatives blasting moderates for weeks for not going along with Cruz and I'm infinately pleased they didn't.
Let me pose this to you. Had Cruz succeeded in defunding the ACA, eadstrong sometimes need to fall off and scrap a knee and it needs to hurt a little in order to get their attention.
Had Cruz gotten his way, he would have been doing Obama a great big favor and I, along with a lot of other people in this country am in no mood to do him any favors. It would have bought him time ro repair and bandaid and patch the thing up, get his talking points in better in order to roll it out more smoothly and I adamently believe as painful as this thing is and the nasty repercssions of people losing their insurance, prices soaring, peoples hours being cut, jobs lost and people yelling, "Hey, wait a minute, that's not what I was told," absolutely needed to happen. America needed to feel the pain of this thing and those opposed to it from the outset, needed to be able to say with 100% surety, "I told you this would happen and now here's the proof." If the ACA is allowed to fail because it is a failed idea of the desperately flawed ideology called liberalism, then hallelujah. I've been wanting to prove that to the whimsical left, for ages.
And how bad is this monstrous liberal plan? They need young healthy Americans to sign on to make the thing fly. What the head in the clouds liberals forget, is due to Obama's liberal economic policies, there are NO jobs for young people ergo they have no money to squander on something they don't need, don't want and can't afford. Obama, Obamcare and the liberal philosophy is about to get a great big wake up called, IT DOESN'T WORK and if everyone would get the hell out of the way and let it happen, maybe we can get on with a more rational dialogue.
seems like you caught bobin in heat! ABHAHahahhaaa Cut to fit!

this nail him to a Iron cross!
======FROM!
thewordofme

“Darwin was right”

Since: Jun 11

40 min ago

Really scary article about Tea Party darling, Senator Ted Cruz.

“In a sermon last year at an Irving, Texas, megachurch that helped elect Ted Cruz to the U.S. Senate, Cruz’ father Rafael Cruz indicated that his son was among the evangelical Christians who are anointed as “kings” to take control of all sectors of society, an agenda commonly referred to as the “Seven Mountains” mandate, and “bring the spoils of war to the priests”, thus helping to bring about a prophesied “great transfer of wealth”, from the “wicked” to righteous gentile believers.” Read more at:
http://disinfo.com/2013/10/ted-cruzs-father-p ...

They are Christian Dominionist and they also believe that their sect of Christianity should rule the United States (and probably the world) and the Old Testament should be the basis of all laws.

These evangelical fundamentalist crackpot Christians are really dangerous and will not stop trying to launch their evil agenda on society.

“Cruz spoke of “Kings who are anointed to go to war, win the war, and bring the spoils of war to the priests.” Discussion of the now-notorious speech by Rafael Cruz has missed the fact that Ted Cruz was subsequently blessed and anointed by prominent dominionist pastors, in effect as a “king” in the political/governmental sphere, at a special blessing ceremony at the Marriott Hotel in Des Moines, Iowa, at a July 19th-20th 2013 rally designed to draw pastors into politics.“

Watch out for this guy

Since: Dec 07

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#171037 Oct 31, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Not only amazing LIT, but if actually implemented, could be the beginning of the end.
Adopting Keynesian Economics was the beginning of the end.

The chickens have come home to roost!

Since: Dec 07

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#171038 Oct 31, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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What good is any idea if it's going to be carried out with "corruption, abuse, profiteering, and fraud"? Knowing these things will occur, is it really the next logical step?

The next logical step, to me, would be for the enablers of this " corruption, abuse, profiteering, and fraud" to be taken clear out of the equation.
I had to scratch my head on that one also.
Welcome to the new normal.

Since: Dec 07

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#171039 Oct 31, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>You don't believe "they" can be held accountable, then? Sounds like a failed experiment.....
"They" aren't.
Back to the drawing board eh?

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#171040 Oct 31, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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The whole experiment rested on the belief that we could do better than "they". That we knew what was best for us, not "they". I still believe that. But enough of the people in this country now, and over time, believe that "they" know best, that "they" should lead, that "they" should take over responsibilities, that "they" should dictate, "they" should control, "they" should enforce, "they" should be the final word.
I don't know if you could say the experiment failed, I reckon that would depend on what outcome you were looking for. For the people that used their rights and votes to build and empower a massive, disfunctional Federal government, well, I suppose it was a ringing success. Personally, I believe the experiment has failed, and I believe our country is in dire straights because of it. Time will tell.
It's always darkest before the storm.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#171041 Oct 31, 2013
NEWS-FLASH wrote:
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Adopting Keynesian Economics was the beginning of the end.
The chickens have come home to roost!
Speaking of head-scratchers....."adop ting Keynesian economics? The West adopted Keynesian theory back in the 30's, and it seems it worked pretty well for over 30 years, seeing as how we generally characterize the late 40's thru the early-70's as an idyllic age of general prosperity in the Western world often called the Golden Age of Capitalism.

The US and The UK in particular got away from Keynes in the 70's, and adopted Monetarist policies exemplified by Friedman among others. The US went cautious "trickle-down economics" in the 80's, and full-hog "piss-on-you-middle-class " in the oughts.

So, how's them chickens again?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#171042 Oct 31, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You guys are so dramatic.
He's patriotic and loves his country, Catcher; sentiments you don't grasp because you've never felt them.
Don't knock what you can't understand. It's shallow.

Since: Dec 07

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#171043 Oct 31, 2013
How will you respond for the next three years when President Obama says, "Take my word for it!"

(Rhetorical)

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