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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>IMO what she's keeping in mind that you're not is the effect the actions taken by Cruz and the House Republicans on the voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House.

As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The revolutionaries who freed this country took a gamble when they decided to take on the world's preeminent military power.
What they did NOT do is decide to pursue the revolution by invading Great Britain. There's your impossible dream, and that's not an unreasonable comparison to the 'strategy' employed by Cruz and the House Republicans.
I could see you describing Lyndi as having given up if she were saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned, but that's nothing like anything she's said.
IMO what she's keeping in mind that you're not is the effect the actions taken by Cruz and the House Republicans on the voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House.
As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
I'm tired of hearing about the voters who haven't decided yet. if they haven't they are so wishy-washy that a puff of air would blow them the other way. What's needed is people who truly stick to their principles, win or lose. I think that the discovery process will eventually gain republicans the whitehouse and both houses of congress eventually. Remember when I said that social security changed the designation of my husband from disabled to regular social security without changing the amount? Well we discovered he needs that designation for other things he needs but can't get them. Nothing has changed in his condition, they just don't want the numbers and think the money is all that it's about.

I see things and know things because of my experience and I'll be danged if I'll be moderate about it. The revolutionaries were not moderate and they didn't need to take it to Great Britain. The war was on their home turf, and that's where it is now.

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Oct 23, 2013
 
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>That's silly. With your way of thinking we should only go for the sure thing and if that were the case we'd all have British accents. I'm sure glad I haven't given up my belief in the impossible dream, like you. It makes you dull.
Everybody knows that there was no way the Colonials could beat the World's strongest Empire. Especially when there were as many Colonials that were loyal to the crown as there were those that wanted to separate from British rule. Winning the Revolutionary War was the 'impossible dream'.

As John McCain would have said, "We can't win", and he would have been 100% right, IF we surrendered before we even tried. However, when we tried, things worked out a just a little differently than everyone thought they would.

Texas should never have been able to defeat The well equipped and well trained numerically superior forces of Santa Anna and his Mexican Army... but Texans gave it a try anyway.

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Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.
That's completely beside the point, bob.

I'm not among "those voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House."

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I could see you describing Lyndi as having given up if she were saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned, but that's nothing like anything she's said.
Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
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As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".

It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
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Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.
Hmmm.
When's the last time you had them peepers checked?

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Shane Victorino looked better in a Phillies uniform...
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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm tired of hearing about the voters who haven't decided yet. if they haven't they are so wishy-washy that a puff of air would blow them the other way. What's needed is people who truly stick to their principles, win or lose. I think that the discovery process will eventually gain republicans the whitehouse and both houses of congress eventually. Remember when I said that social security changed the designation of my husband from disabled to regular social security without changing the amount? Well we discovered he needs that designation for other things he needs but can't get them. Nothing has changed in his condition, they just don't want the numbers and think the money is all that it's about.
I see things and know things because of my experience and I'll be danged if I'll be moderate about it. The revolutionaries were not moderate and they didn't need to take it to Great Britain. The war was on their home turf, and that's where it is now.
I'm sorry to hear about your problems with Social Security.

I understand that you agree with what Cruz was trying to do. Hell, LYNDI agrees with Cruz's goal (that Obamacare should be stopped). The fight you guys are having isn't about WHETHER it should be stopped, it's about HOW.
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BobinTX wrote:
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Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
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Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".
It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
While its not an entitlement did you know you (as does every tax payer) help keep power rates lower in Tennessee via the TVA? And when did they finish that 'works project'? Good point on Carson too.

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BobinTX wrote:
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Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
And this has what to do with whether Lyndi is saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned (or anything like that) how, exactly?
BobinTX wrote:
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Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".
It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
Man, this obsession with McCain you've got going on is getting out of hand.

As to the rest ... I knew Lyndi was taking on an impossible dream when she decided to try and talk about politics with you.

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry to hear about your problems with Social Security.
I understand that you agree with what Cruz was trying to do. Hell, LYNDI agrees with Cruz's goal (that Obamacare should be stopped). The fight you guys are having isn't about WHETHER it should be stopped, it's about HOW.
I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped. You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away. People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped. You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away. People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.
I didn't say you were complaining, I just said I was sorry you're having trouble with them.

What makes you think the trouble you're having with them is related to Obamacare?

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped.

You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away.

People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.
It never ceases to amaze that those of the self-proclaimed "personal responsibility" set so easily ignore the utter hypocrisy of a system in which a person choosing not to procure insurance can just "go to the ER", thereby causing us all to underwrite their care. That, people, is socialism by proxy, and by far the most expensive care the system can provide. Profligate madness, fiscal-conservative style!

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say you were complaining, I just said I was sorry you're having trouble with them.
What makes you think the trouble you're having with them is related to Obamacare?
I don't. I believe both are a symptom of a much bigger problem. That is that Obama does not know what he's doing and neither does anyone working for him. Healthcare reform seems like a good idea, but if you are totally unaware of the cost and how it's going to work you do more harm than good. As for the problems with disability claims for Social security, Obama got us into a mess too. People didn't have jobs and had no hope of getting them. A huge amount of people applied for disability and Obama's administration was anxious to approve them. When they were being outed on these numbers they got scared and took people out of that designation without concern as to whether they were really disabled or not. They figured as long as they got their money there would be no complaints. But for someone who is really disabled there are many reasons why they need that designation outside of money.
I believe we keep seeing time and again how incompetent the Obama administration is. Yes they try really hard to steer the blame away from him but eventually he is going to be shown for his incompetency. That is when I think you will see democrats and many in his administration abandon ship like rats.

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<quoted text>It never ceases to amaze that those of the self-proclaimed "personal responsibility" set so easily ignore the utter hypocrisy of a system in which a person choosing not to procure insurance can just "go to the ER", thereby causing us all to underwrite their care. That, people, is socialism by proxy, and by far the most expensive care the system can provide. Profligate madness, fiscal-conservative style!
You misunderstand me. I don't think that's okay but do you see it happening any other way. You cannot force someone to buy health insurance except in this case to give them a fine. I'm thinking illegals will not be allowed to buy health insurance through Obamacare. When they get really sick and they're scared they will go to the ER and being that we are not total animals we will treat them.

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I don't. I believe both are a symptom of a much bigger problem. That is that Obama does not know what he's doing and neither does anyone working for him. Healthcare reform seems like a good idea, but if you are totally unaware of the cost and how it's going to work you do more harm than good. As for the problems with disability claims for Social security, Obama got us into a mess too. People didn't have jobs and had no hope of getting them. A huge amount of people applied for disability and Obama's administration was anxious to approve them. When they were being outed on these numbers they got scared and took people out of that designation without concern as to whether they were really disabled or not. They figured as long as they got their money there would be no complaints. But for someone who is really disabled there are many reasons why they need that designation outside of money.
I believe we keep seeing time and again how incompetent the Obama administration is. Yes they try really hard to steer the blame away from him but eventually he is going to be shown for his incompetency. That is when I think you will see democrats and many in his administration abandon ship like rats.
Has your husband reached what they call 'Full Retirement Age'?

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<quoted text>That's completely beside the point, bob.
I'm not among "those voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House."
I realize that.

My comment was directed at yer last statement, rather than the rest of that msg. IOW, even though yer a committed liberal, I believe you want what's best for the US, or at least what YOU think is best.

There's no convincing you that Romney would've been better for the US, I think you'd still take Obama if the election was next week. But I also think you'd take the R candidate over Obama if that candidate was MUCH better than your perception of Romney, and he/she was able to demonstrat as much in a debate, for example.

LIT just thinks yer a non-flexible partisan. I don't.

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I realize that.
My comment was directed at yer last statement, rather than the rest of that msg. IOW, even though yer a committed liberal, I believe you want what's best for the US, or at least what YOU think is best.
There's no convincing you that Romney would've been better for the US, I think you'd still take Obama if the election was next week. But I also think you'd take the R candidate over Obama if that candidate was MUCH better than your perception of Romney, and he/she was able to demonstrat as much in a debate, for example.
LIT just thinks yer a non-flexible partisan. I don't.
The last part of my post to lisw was "As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket." When the fringes dominate a party and nominate a candidate, you get McGovern or Goldwater.

As long as the TP and (to a lesser extent) the so-called religious right dominate the Republican Party, I'll stay a Democrat. Hell's bells, Reagan was too far right for me, and the real Reagan (as opposed to the myth) would probably be considered a RINO by the TP.

As to what LIT thinks ... that's nice.
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bad bob wrote:
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I realize that.
My comment was directed at yer last statement, rather than the rest of that msg. IOW, even though yer a committed liberal, I believe you want what's best for the US, or at least what YOU think is best.
There's no convincing you that Romney would've been better for the US, I think you'd still take Obama if the election was next week. But I also think you'd take the R candidate over Obama if that candidate was MUCH better than your perception of Romney, and he/she was able to demonstrat as much in a debate, for example.

LIT just thinks yer a non-flexible partisan. I don't.
"As long as the TP and (to a lesser extent) the so-called religious right dominate the Republican Party, I'll stay a Democrat. Hell's bells, Reagan was too far right for me, and the real Reagan (as opposed to the myth) would probably be considered a RINO by the TP."

Uh-oh, bob. A fella with an "R" next to his name that won his first election by a score of 44-6, and his second by a score of 49-1, is too extreme for W3. Just between you and me, that sounds a tad like a non-flexible partisan. Some might even call that being on the fringe.
Not me.....but some.
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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
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When the fringes dominate a party and nominate a candidate, you get McGovern or Goldwater.
As long as the TP and (to a lesser extent) the so-called religious right dominate the Republican Party, I'll stay a Democrat.

As to what LIT thinks ... that's nice.
Pfft.
If the "fringe" dominated the Rep party, our outdoor memorials would still be in moth balls. That's the kind of goofy things a "fringe" does. Thank goodness they're not in charge, eh?

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