Clearwater

Hollywood, FL

#170725 Oct 23, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was in poor taste and not worth addressing.
Sometimes you just have to take the high road Chris and ignore that stuff because if they find out that sort of thing bugs you, they'll just keep on doing it until you blow your stack and then they'll make the story about how you blew your stack.
It's a no win topic. Skip the ones you can't win.
I do thank you for the reply. I do think its worth addressing since the right has been labeled racist since Obama showed up in 08. For me it got real when a guy at a store here called me a bigot for daring to support McCain. Of couse this was long before any mention of the tp. With this stunt on cnbc by a racist lib its very much worth addressing since I don't often find the adjectives used to describe us to be valid. And when the opposite happens and most say nothing I won't be silent. Not blowing my stack and not bothered by being alone but sometimes hate, bigotry and the outright hypicracy needs to be talked about.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#170726 Oct 23, 2013
NEWS-FLASH wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct!
Good thing or Bad thing?
It was bad that the sanctions had to be implemented, and that war became necessary. It was good that Japan ditched their warrior, expansionist, mentality, and opted to become a peaceful citizen nation of the world.

Since: Jun 08

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#170727 Oct 23, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Not the way you're going about it, you can't. Your Tea Party has heart, bobin but it doesn't have enough muscle, it's not politically smart and it's fighting on too many fronts.
That's silly. With your way of thinking we should only go for the sure thing and if that were the case we'd all have British accents. I'm sure glad I haven't given up my belief in the impossible dream, like you. It makes you dull.
Clearwater

Hollywood, FL

#170728 Oct 23, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Insisting on 'Aloha Oe' at press conferences involving the President, wouldn't have the same effect... I'm guessing.
Since Obama is no more Hawaiian than me it would be silly. In truth it doesn't matter to most of the main stream. It's why on any measurable level race relations are worse today than in years and the leader that could have done something to make it better almost never does. Those that carry his water do as he does, blame everyone else.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#170729 Oct 23, 2013
Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>Since Obama is no more Hawaiian than me it would be silly. In truth it doesn't matter to most of the main stream. It's why on any measurable level race relations are worse today than in years and the leader that could have done something to make it better almost never does. Those that carry his water do as he does, blame everyone else.
I wish you guys would stop with the tp talk, it makes me think of something else.

While we're at it, check this out:

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/23/sarah-pali...

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#170730 Oct 23, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
The House wouldn't be Republican today, if not for that 'rowdy' Tea Party.
They were a part, a select part in a tiny slice of time. But I think gerrymandering is most obviously a bigger reason that the House remians stubbornly Republican in spite of the popular vote.

Consider just for instance, Ohio.

1984
Republican vote: 50%
Seats: 10 Republican
11 Democrat

2012
Republican vote: 52%
Seats: 12 Republican
4 Democrat

Then there's
Pennsylvania
2012
Republican vote: 47%
Seats: 13 Republican
5 Democrat

'Splain dat, Lucy. This graphic of Ohio's House districts might help:

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ss...

We could keep going - New York, North Carolina, etc, etc. The GOP maintains it's hold by the use of the "grotesque gerrymander". All the TP did was threaten to split the party. Stay tuned for how that works out....

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#170731 Oct 23, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>That's silly. With your way of thinking we should only go for the sure thing and if that were the case we'd all have British accents. I'm sure glad I haven't given up my belief in the impossible dream, like you. It makes you dull.
The revolutionaries who freed this country took a gamble when they decided to take on the world's preeminent military power.

What they did NOT do is decide to pursue the revolution by invading Great Britain. There's your impossible dream, and that's not an unreasonable comparison to the 'strategy' employed by Cruz and the House Republicans.

I could see you describing Lyndi as having given up if she were saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned, but that's nothing like anything she's said.

IMO what she's keeping in mind that you're not is the effect the actions taken by Cruz and the House Republicans on the voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House.

As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#170732 Oct 23, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>IMO what she's keeping in mind that you're not is the effect the actions taken by Cruz and the House Republicans on the voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House.

As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#170733 Oct 23, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The revolutionaries who freed this country took a gamble when they decided to take on the world's preeminent military power.
What they did NOT do is decide to pursue the revolution by invading Great Britain. There's your impossible dream, and that's not an unreasonable comparison to the 'strategy' employed by Cruz and the House Republicans.
I could see you describing Lyndi as having given up if she were saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned, but that's nothing like anything she's said.
IMO what she's keeping in mind that you're not is the effect the actions taken by Cruz and the House Republicans on the voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House.
As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
I'm tired of hearing about the voters who haven't decided yet. if they haven't they are so wishy-washy that a puff of air would blow them the other way. What's needed is people who truly stick to their principles, win or lose. I think that the discovery process will eventually gain republicans the whitehouse and both houses of congress eventually. Remember when I said that social security changed the designation of my husband from disabled to regular social security without changing the amount? Well we discovered he needs that designation for other things he needs but can't get them. Nothing has changed in his condition, they just don't want the numbers and think the money is all that it's about.

I see things and know things because of my experience and I'll be danged if I'll be moderate about it. The revolutionaries were not moderate and they didn't need to take it to Great Britain. The war was on their home turf, and that's where it is now.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#170734 Oct 23, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>That's silly. With your way of thinking we should only go for the sure thing and if that were the case we'd all have British accents. I'm sure glad I haven't given up my belief in the impossible dream, like you. It makes you dull.
Everybody knows that there was no way the Colonials could beat the World's strongest Empire. Especially when there were as many Colonials that were loyal to the crown as there were those that wanted to separate from British rule. Winning the Revolutionary War was the 'impossible dream'.

As John McCain would have said, "We can't win", and he would have been 100% right, IF we surrendered before we even tried. However, when we tried, things worked out a just a little differently than everyone thought they would.

Texas should never have been able to defeat The well equipped and well trained numerically superior forces of Santa Anna and his Mexican Army... but Texans gave it a try anyway.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#170735 Oct 23, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.
That's completely beside the point, bob.

I'm not among "those voters who are not completely decided yet, but that the Republicans need to gain control of the Senate and (ultimately) take back the White House."

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#170736 Oct 23, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I could see you describing Lyndi as having given up if she were saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned, but that's nothing like anything she's said.
Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
As a Democrat, trust me - I want you and bobin to pick the next Republican ticket.
Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".

It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
Lost In Transition

United States

#170737 Oct 23, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet for some reason I can't see you remaining strictly partisan if the R's managed to front a better candidate.
Hmmm.
When's the last time you had them peepers checked?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#170738 Oct 23, 2013
Shane Victorino looked better in a Phillies uniform...
:)

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#170739 Oct 23, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm tired of hearing about the voters who haven't decided yet. if they haven't they are so wishy-washy that a puff of air would blow them the other way. What's needed is people who truly stick to their principles, win or lose. I think that the discovery process will eventually gain republicans the whitehouse and both houses of congress eventually. Remember when I said that social security changed the designation of my husband from disabled to regular social security without changing the amount? Well we discovered he needs that designation for other things he needs but can't get them. Nothing has changed in his condition, they just don't want the numbers and think the money is all that it's about.
I see things and know things because of my experience and I'll be danged if I'll be moderate about it. The revolutionaries were not moderate and they didn't need to take it to Great Britain. The war was on their home turf, and that's where it is now.
I'm sorry to hear about your problems with Social Security.

I understand that you agree with what Cruz was trying to do. Hell, LYNDI agrees with Cruz's goal (that Obamacare should be stopped). The fight you guys are having isn't about WHETHER it should be stopped, it's about HOW.
Clearwater

Hollywood, FL

#170741 Oct 23, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
<quoted text>
Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".
It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
While its not an entitlement did you know you (as does every tax payer) help keep power rates lower in Tennessee via the TVA? And when did they finish that 'works project'? Good point on Carson too.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#170742 Oct 23, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you name one entitlement that's ever been overturned? Can you name one that hasn't been expanded?
And this has what to do with whether Lyndi is saying Obamacare will NEVER be overturned (or anything like that) how, exactly?
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Me too... no more McCains. I think John-Boy is thinking of running for president again. I can see his campaign slogan now... "We can't win".
It's time for a Republican candidate with common sense who will actually do what's right for the country, and the voters. I'm thinking Doctor Benjamin Carson would fit that ticket.
Man, this obsession with McCain you've got going on is getting out of hand.

As to the rest ... I knew Lyndi was taking on an impossible dream when she decided to try and talk about politics with you.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#170743 Oct 23, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry to hear about your problems with Social Security.
I understand that you agree with what Cruz was trying to do. Hell, LYNDI agrees with Cruz's goal (that Obamacare should be stopped). The fight you guys are having isn't about WHETHER it should be stopped, it's about HOW.
I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped. You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away. People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#170744 Oct 23, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped. You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away. People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.
I didn't say you were complaining, I just said I was sorry you're having trouble with them.

What makes you think the trouble you're having with them is related to Obamacare?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#170745 Oct 23, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't complaining, Willie. I was merely giving an example of discovery. Already people are finding out that Obamacare may not be the panacea they had hoped.

You are still going to have lots of people not wanting to buy it and then when they become gravely ill they will go to the ER and we will not turn them away.

People will begin to see through their own experiences and those of people close to them that they have been screwed, fed a lie, or at best the result of wishful thinking. We are fine. Others will not be.
Yes that's one way to get rid of Obamacare, Wait and see. But I prefer to know we did our best to fight it, even if those methods are found to be wanting.
It never ceases to amaze that those of the self-proclaimed "personal responsibility" set so easily ignore the utter hypocrisy of a system in which a person choosing not to procure insurance can just "go to the ER", thereby causing us all to underwrite their care. That, people, is socialism by proxy, and by far the most expensive care the system can provide. Profligate madness, fiscal-conservative style!

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