Bush is a hero

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169484 Oct 4, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Well, gee ... here I thought we were talking about your new 'warrior class' eliminating 'Obamacare' with this budget impasse.
Great plan for three years from now, though .... I'm betting the Democrats are going to copy it now that you've made it public, though.
I thought that was probably lost when 25 'big government' Republican Senators joined with the Democrats and voted for cloture. That gave Harry Reid everything he needed to block every budget bill coming from the House.

The only thing the 'warrior class' can do now is drum up public support to get the Senate to stop blocking the House bills, so the federal government can be funded. Without the media, it's slow going, but the public does seem to be seeing that obama and the Democrats may be presenting unnecessary hardships on the public.

The administration trying to keep WWII Vets out of their Memorial, their refusal to accept funding for the Vets, refusing to accept funding for the entire government on the condition that the Congress and their staff not accept special subsidies for their health insurance, obama trying to kill stock market growth, and Harry Reid saying that he saw no reason to accept funding for NIH so kids could get their cancer treatments, were not smart moves, and are slowly being publicized.

If the House can holdout, the voters may begin to realize that it's actually obama and the Senate Democrats that are keeping the government shut down, not the Republican House... and definitely not Ted Cruz or the Tea Party!

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169485 Oct 4, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Uhhhh ...
I kinda figured that would be your plan in three years - oddly enough that's the Democratic plan too - but I sorta thought we were talking about your "warrior class" overturning the health care bill through this budget impasse.
My daughter has turned against obamacare in the last week or so... a Canadian just moved in as her next door neighbor, and she has clued her in on the true horrors of government controlled health care.(Her husband is a professional hockey player.)

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169486 Oct 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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My daughter has turned against obamacare in the last week or so... a Canadian just moved in as her next door neighbor, and she has clued her in on the true horrors of government controlled health care.(Her husband is a professional hockey player.)
Her husband is a professional hockey player?

Oh, in that case those horrors must be real.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169487 Oct 4, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>The insurance companies may think they are getting a peachy deal right now but if they fail to get rid of Obamacare then we will go to universal healthcare and they'll be out of business. And I guarantee we will go universal and the taxes will make us all go under.
Yup even this 1/2 assed bill they passed has sent costs skyrocketing. MN. is suppose to be one of the most reasonably priced states.

Anytime the government gets involved you can expect costs to go up and service to go down.

I kind of figured that was what this bill was all about was, just a path to universal HC. Gonna be alot of suffering along the way though..........

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#169489 Oct 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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I thought that was probably lost when 25 'big government' Republican Senators joined with the Democrats and voted for cloture. That gave Harry Reid everything he needed to block every budget bill coming from the House.
The only thing the 'warrior class' can do now is drum up public support to get the Senate to stop blocking the House bills, so the federal government can be funded. Without the media, it's slow going, but the public does seem to be seeing that obama and the Democrats may be presenting unnecessary hardships on the public.
The administration trying to keep WWII Vets out of their Memorial, their refusal to accept funding for the Vets, refusing to accept funding for the entire government on the condition that the Congress and their staff not accept special subsidies for their health insurance, obama trying to kill stock market growth, and Harry Reid saying that he saw no reason to accept funding for NIH so kids could get their cancer treatments, were not smart moves, and are slowly being publicized.
If the House can holdout, the voters may begin to realize that it's actually obama and the Senate Democrats that are keeping the government shut down, not the Republican House... and definitely not Ted Cruz or the Tea Party!
Imo it takes two to tango. Cruz did what those that voted him in put him in to do. But to call this "a Republican shutdown" is pure crap. My hope is that Obama keeps doing what he is going. Try to make as many people as he can feel the pain like he did with the so called sequester. And I hope some that aren't brain dead see it for what it is. A mad man at the controls.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#169490 Oct 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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If the House can holdout, the voters may begin to realize that it's actually obama and the Senate Democrats that are keeping the government shut down, not the Republican House... and definitely not Ted Cruz or the Tea Party!
That is about your only hope, I guess - that the House can hold out and a miracle occurs, divine intervention perhaps.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169491 Oct 4, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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How can you sit there on your perch and not take >any< responsibility for the closing of the NIH? And forget Reid. He's a creepy little freaky gnome and his comment was typically bizarre but nevertheless, the NIH wouldn't be closed BUT FOR the shutdown ---> which was the brainstorm of The Tea Party.
Look, The Tea Party took a huge gamble when they challenged the senate and the POTUS to a game of who's gonna blink first.
The senate didn't blink, bobin. They didn't blink, they're not going to blink, you were told they're weren't going to blink and they've made it quite clear that they're willing to sew they eyes open to keep from blinking. Do you not get that?
Like it or not whoever said this was a hostage situation at gunpoint was correct. Cruz and Co. virtually told the POTUS; give me your signature legislation, give me your legacy, give me your BABY and I'll give you your funding. And love it or hate it, the ACA is Obama's baby, and proud Papa that he is, it will NOT hand it over.
This whole shutdown thing is sloppy, wobbly and poorly planned. Their big demand wasn't met so now that they can't get the whole enchilada, the ever enthused Tea Party decides to hurriedly scramble to come up with a plan B and try to barter a few concessions for funding the government, piecemeal..... using to full advantage of course emotional targets like veterans and sick children with cancer as props because we all know, those are known to get the most mileage. Both sides are now fully engaged in the tussle and now we're in another tiresome game of spin to decide which party hates vets and sick children more. The democrats or the republicans.
Anyway, what this voter sees is a dog aka the Tea Party, who loves to bark really loud and chase cars but doesn't know what to do with it when he actually catches one. They threatened a shutdown hoping they wouldn't get one and now that they got one, it's abundantly clear they don't know what to do with it except try to stomp out fires they started.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch called REALITY, more people are suffering that didn't have to and you and yours are who put that key into the ignition. You can sit there and rev your engines bobin but 70+% of the population wishes you'd stop.
Tell me, which part of that 70+% are Tea Party voters?
Those 25 old guard 'big government' Republican Senators failed the voters that sent them to Congress. Joining with the Democrats to fund obamacare, and give Harry Reid the power to sit on every bill from the House without needing to compromise, could lead to a long shutdown. That didn't need to be the case, if only the stuffed shirts had been able to bring themselves to listen to the new guys.

Unfortunately for the Senate, the House remembers what they promised the people that put them in office... and it wasn't to fund obamacare.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169492 Oct 4, 2013
Success, obama style!

30 Statistics About Americans Under The Age Of 30 That Will Blow Your Mind&#8207;

Why are young people in America so frustrated these days? You are about to find out. Most young adults started out having faith in the system. They worked hard, they got good grades, they stayed out of trouble and many of them went on to college. But when their educations where over, they discovered that the good jobs that they had been promised were not waiting for them at the end of the rainbow. Even in the midst of this so-called “economic recovery”, the full-time employment rate for Americans under the age of 30 continues to fall. And incomes for that age group continue to fall as well. At the same time, young adults are dealing with record levels of student loan debt. As a result, more young Americans than ever are putting off getting married and having families, and more of them than ever are moving back in with their parents.

http://www.thetradingreport.com/2013/10/04/30...

Those are disturbing stats!

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169493 Oct 4, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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You'll stand under their umbrella solicting their votes though and when they don't give them to you, you don't hesitate to grab the umbrella and beat them over the head with it.
Only those that deserve the beating.

Us Tea Party types don't like it when our representatives go back on their word.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169494 Oct 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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I also read Lis that there are only small windows to buy the insurance. This time its from Oct 15, to March. If you dont buy it you arn't allowed to get in until the next window which is Oct. 15 2014 to Dec. 31 2014. Which I think is wrong. Its just another punishment under this law. They want you to buy the insurance in fact, really force you to, or pay a penalty, and then they wont allow you to purchase it throughout the year.........Talking out of both sides of their mouths really. But of course it was put in to protect the insurance companies..........
The open enrollment window has nothing to do with the ACA. This is a management device imposed by insurance companies for as long as they've offered health insurance. In fact most open enrollment windows are only 30 days long - mine is the month of June every year. This first go-round under the ACA will be from Oct.1 thru March. The next year it will be shortened to 3 months, maybe less as time goes on. The theory behind it for the industry was that this would keep people from putting off insurance decisions until they need it.

Since it has been a time-worn administrative tool in the industry, it should be further evidence that the gov't is not "controlling" the health care industry. much less the insurance industry.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169495 Oct 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Her husband is a professional hockey player?
That was just a BTW that I thought was interesting.
Catcher1 wrote:
Oh, in that case those horrors must be real.
They're Canadians, and apparently are not too impressed with the government controlled health care they grew up with. The health care Democrats are pushing for us to eventually have.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#169496 Oct 4, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>That is about your only hope, I guess - that the House can hold out and a miracle occurs, divine intervention perhaps.
God has always been on the side of the right... I would have thought you'd already have known that.
:)
UdiotRACEMAKEWOR LDPEACE

United States

#169497 Oct 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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God has always been on the side of the right... I would have thought you'd already have known that.
:)
u mean You war god , you on the wrong side!! ABHAHAHhahaaa

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#169498 Oct 4, 2013
Cool video of the USPS at work. Thankfully we have ups, fedex and others to compete. Thinking Christmas packages this year will not see the post office for us!

It’s Almost Unbelievable What One Homeowner’s Security Camera Caught a U.S. Postal Worker Doing

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/04/it...
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169499 Oct 4, 2013
US Said Preparing New Laws To Seize Americans Retirement Accounts
by EU Times

BAHHAHAHhahaa
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169500 Oct 4, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Cruz did what those that voted him in put him in to do. But to call this "a Republican shutdown" is pure crap.
Those who voted for Cruz told him to shut down the government to do it?
Um okay.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169501 Oct 4, 2013
Detroit files for federal bankruptcy, marking largest case in US history

UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169502 Oct 4, 2013
New York City runs risk of bankruptcy like Detroit: Mayor

New York City Mayor Bloomberg As New York City wrestles with rising pension and health care costs, Mayor Michael Bloomberg has warned that the city runs a real risk of bankruptcy like Detroit.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169503 Oct 4, 2013
Where’s the democracy?

So what else is responsible for driving up American suicide rates? Could it be the loss of democratic representation inside our corporate fortresses, those medieval-style fiefdoms that are now working overtime to control the US political process as well?

Thanks largely to the passage of the Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission ruling (2010), transnational corporations are now entitled to donate unlimited amounts of hard cash to the political campaign of their choice without having to come clean on the expenditures. The ruling even applies to foreign corporations!

So great is the corporate footprint in the halls of power that I fear the day is close at hand when we will actually see a corporation make a run for political office. Why not? They have already been designated as bona fide individuals by our craven Supreme Court (In the book,“Unequal Protection,” Thom Hartmann persuasively explains how the 1886 US Supreme Court decision in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company case wrongfully granted corporations personhood).

“Businesses have won,” David Macaray, a labor columnist, wrote in his Huffington Post blog.“They’ve increased their production demands, they’ve extended employees’ work hours (after having-laid off a segment of the workforce), they’ve taken to issuing ultimatums, and they’ve done all of it while, simultaneously, having kept wages relatively stagnant.”

As for traditional benefits such as pensions, bonuses, sick leave and paid vacations, forget about it. Most of those have been abolished, Macaray added.

Did somebody mention a vacation? Despite all the hyped-up talk about freedom and liberty, American workers receive the stingiest vacation packages in the free – and oppressed – world. That is not because Americans have some sort of masochistic attachment to their desks, as some like to argue, but rather because we lack any sort of labor law that forces corporations to remove our chains more than once a year.

Incredibly, the United States is the only country in the world where corporations are under no legal obligation to provide their workers with a break from their jobs. Compare that sad statistic with any other country in the world, even the most totalitarian. This Scrooge mentality must change, or all of our boastful talk about democracy and freedom will be revealed as nothing more than a diversionary smokescreen to conceal what can only be described as an attack on human rights.

Why is it that other countries can readily afford to give their people a break from their jobs and still maintain high living standards?

“Germany is among more than two dozen industrialized countries from Australia to Slovenia to Japan – that require employers to offer four weeks or more of paid vacation to their workers, according to a 2009 study by the human resources consulting company Mercer,” reported CNN.

Still other countries, including Finland, Brazil and France, guarantee their workers up to six weeks off.

It seems fair to ask whether America’s lack of time away from the office is contributing to high stress levels and even sporadic episodes of domestic and workplace violence, up to and including suicide. Shouldn’t the world’s most heavily armed and medicated nation allow its people to hit the beach more than once a year?

This question brings us back to the issue of democratic representation in the workplace, which is presently missing in action.

Although organized labor is itself fraught with problems, it is nevertheless the last line of defense when it comes to protecting US workers against the insatiable greed of the corporate overlords. Thus, it should come as no surprise that US wages have been plummeting over the last 30 years at the very same time that unions are being decimated.
EUTIMES
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169504 Oct 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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1) Those 25 old guard 'big government' Republican Senators failed the voters that sent them to Congress.
2)... if only the stuffed shirts had been able to bring themselves to listen to the new guys.
3) Unfortunately for the Senate, the House remembers what they promised the people that put them in office... and it wasn't to fund obamacare.
1) The 25 'old guard' didn't fail the voters because they didn't go along with the House and The Tea Party on this. And news reports coming out of DC for the last several weeks has been Republican Senators signaling they wouldn't support tying the defunding of Obamacare to the funding of a continuing resolution. If you have conflicting data, let's see it. Put it on the table.

2) They did listen to the new guys, bobin, they didn't like the strategy and they said no. Simple.

3)I don't know how this is going to effect those senators down the road and I'm not going to speculate but if House members coming up for reelection lose because they failed on their promise to defund Obamacare, maybe they shouldn't have made such a grandiose promise.

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