Bush is a hero
Lost In Transition

United States

#169300 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
We really need more women in Congress. About 3 tmes as many. I have never seen so many men yak, yak, yakking and getting so little accomplished in my LIFE as with this bunch.
Even Obama, for God's sake never shuts-up. Takes him 22 minutes to say the word "no."
"If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman."
M. Thatcher
Bingo.
Today I watched Barbara Boxer explaining how the effort to defund obamacare is just another front of the repub's war on women. Yesterday it was Pelosi explaing how the constitution gives obama the right to enforce certain parts of a law, while ignoring others.
You gal's rock!

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169301 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
We really need more women in Congress. About 3 tmes as many. I have never seen so many men yak, yak, yakking and getting so little accomplished in my LIFE as with this bunch.
Even Obama, for God's sake never shuts-up. Takes him 22 minutes to say the word "no."
"If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman."
M. Thatcher
Bingo.
http://pelosi.house.gov/

How many do you want cloned?
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169302 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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That horse you're on is too much for your riding ability. You really should get off him before you get hurt.
==
This is a game for two. My turn.
Post the lies and myths Obama & Co. has spoken about the ACA or in that fog you live in, has His Holiness and devoted spokespersons never done that? If you have to >omit< to support your position, you don't have a truthful position. By the way, Politifact leans to the left and is biased but 'A' for effort trying to slip that one past and no, I don't care if it's won a Pulitzer. In the world we now live in, Obama won the Nobel Peace prize. What's that tell you?
Word to the wise. Should you agree to post Obama's falsehoods on this, beware. You'll have your work cut out for you. Obama's lies are often camouflaged, muted, softened, cushioned, excused and/or conveniently forgotten. Liberal journalism is tricky and covered with fungus so bring a really good shovel to dig with, wear high rubber boots and >LEAN FORWARD< when digging, it's easier on the back. You'll find the wording is diluted so instead of calling them outright MYTHS or LIES, you'll bump into words like: misleading, slightly exaggerated, half true, optimistic, hopefully suggested, possible, not yet determined, partially true, a stretch, wishful, mildly inflated, partially correct, a little off the mark........
Good luck.
That's a pretty sloppy at-bat, player. I don't know if you're just lazy, or you get away with that diva-commander stuff so much elsewhere you think it'll fly here. Not so much. You made the charge, you do your own homework. Hell, I even spotted ya one and you couldn't even bunt that one.

Recapping the game: You claimned a gov't takeover of healthcare. Strike 1. You claimed this equaled socialism - since Strike 1 was a whiff, this makes Strike 2. Then you claimed Obama gave Congressional staffers exemption from the ACA. He didn't. Strike 3. Grab some wood, slugger. Yer battin' O-fer.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169303 Sep 30, 2013
If you want to see the fascinating evolution of the "staffer exemption" lie, Google "Vitter amendment". You'll find it began as a cynical parliamentary maneuver by Chuck Grassley (R-IA) which specifically included staffers in the ACA exchanges. But wait. They already had insurance. Now staffers would have have to pay for their insurance AND pay to be in an exchange, while being prohibited by the ACA from being in an exchange. Thanks Chuck. Luckily for them, the Office of Personnel Mgmt re-directed their current premiums to the exchange, so they wouldn't take a pay cut due to Grassley's cynical ploy. This, people, is the origin of the so-called "congressional exemption".

The rational person might ask - How did it go from a Repub amendment requiring staffers to be included in the exchanges, to "Obama exempts Congress from the ACA"? Sorry, you'd have to penetrate the right-wing echo-chamber to get that answer.

Now comes the David Vitter amendment. Vitter would negate the OPM's ruling, and force it back to the mess Grassley left where staffers have to pay but not participate. Why would he do this? Who the hell knows? These New Republicans have lost all semblance of reason AND completely lost touch with real people and their problems. Think people will remember this stuff next year?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169304 Sep 30, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Today I watched Barbara Boxer explaining how the effort to defund obamacare is just another front of the repub's war on women. Yesterday it was Pelosi explaing how the constitution gives obama the right to enforce certain parts of a law, while ignoring others.
You gal's rock!
If I didn't know better, I'd think you just compared all of us "gals" out here to Boxer and Pelosi.
We "gals?"
lol-
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169305 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Don't even try to go there with me with your: "Redistribution of wealth is an economic concept that underlies all taxation policy...." Save THAT for someone who buys liberal snake oil.
Obama has given new meaning to the word 'redistribution' the same way he gave new meaning to the words, "they didn't build that."
They called his speech at Loyola University in 1998 a LEAK for a reason, Hip and it's wasn't because he was talking about the foundation of a boring old, put you to sleep basic tax structure.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/obam...
Since you can't be fooled, please explain to the class how McCain's "redistribution of wealth" is any different from Obama's? Don't be afraid to thrown in a fact or two. I know you might lose your right-wing extremist cred but I won't tell.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169306 Sep 30, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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http://pelosi.house.gov/
How many do you want cloned?
You too? What's wrong with you two that Pelosi jumps into your heads when I suggest more women in congress?

Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169307 Sep 30, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>That's a pretty sloppy at-bat, player. I don't know if you're just lazy, or you get away with that diva-commander stuff so much elsewhere you think it'll fly here. Not so much. You made the charge, you do your own homework. Hell, I even spotted ya one and you couldn't even bunt that one.
Recapping the game: You claimned a gov't takeover of healthcare. Strike 1. You claimed this equaled socialism - since Strike 1 was a whiff, this makes Strike 2. Then you claimed Obama gave Congressional staffers exemption from the ACA. He didn't. Strike 3. Grab some wood, slugger. Yer battin' O-fer.
That isn't a list of the falsehoods he's made regarding the ACA. That's just more of your blah, blah, blah. Let me know when you have it compiled or if you're refusing to produce it. Either way.

=
Now go put on your little party hat. WH has ordered preperation for a government shutdown. Obamacare is coming out of the gate in the morning and we all get to watch that THING unfold.
Obama's signature legislation.
And don't be nervous. If the wheels come off it and it crashes into the wall and implodes all you'll probably lose is the senate.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169308 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
We really need more women in Congress. About 3 tmes as many. I have never seen so many men yak, yak, yakking and getting so little accomplished in my LIFE as with this bunch.
Even Obama, for God's sake never shuts-up. Takes him 22 minutes to say the word "no."
"If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman."
M. Thatcher
Bingo.
Maybe I can make you re-consider.

I agree 100%.

"What, sir, would the people of the earth be without women? Scarce, sir, almighty scarce." Mark Twain
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169309 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
That isn't a list of the falsehoods he's made regarding the ACA. That's just more of your blah, blah, blah. Let me know when you have it compiled or if you're refusing to produce it. Either way.
You don't listen well, do you? Why am I not surprised?

As I said, you are either magnificently lazy, or you get away with that diva commander stuff elsewhere. It ain't flying here. You made the charge, you do your own homework.

I've already scored it another whiff at-bat, but I used pencil. Surprise me, just once.

It doesn't matter if it's true or not, does it? Just sayin' it keeps the choir happy. I get it. Let 'er rip. Just don't expect me to play. Can't help it - momma taught me to hate lies.
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>Now go put on your little party hat. WH has ordered preperation for a government shutdown. Obamacare is coming out of the gate in the morning and we all get to watch that THING unfold.
Obama's signature legislation.
And don't be nervous. If the wheels come off it and it crashes into the wall and implodes all you'll probably lose is the senate.
You already counting your eggs again, Ms. PollyAnna? The aftermath of your pre-election celebration last go round would have caused most folks to be a little more careful. But, the only celebratin' you got lately is pre-election sand castles, so I guess you just as well dig away.

Some of still remember the last go round about 17 years ago. How'd that work out?

What's the definition of insanity, again?

>wink<
Lost In Transition

United States

#169310 Sep 30, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
If I didn't know better, I'd think you just compared all of us "gals" out here to Boxer and Pelosi.
We "gals?"
lol-
Sorry. My hormones got the best of me.
How 'bout them Saints!?
Lost In Transition

United States

#169311 Sep 30, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe I can make you re-consider.
I agree 100%.
"What, sir, would the people of the earth be without women? Scarce, sir, almighty scarce." Mark Twain
AWWW.....C'MON MAN!
I figured we'd lose Catcher, but you??
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169312 Oct 1, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>That's a pretty sloppy at-bat, player. I don't know if you're just lazy, or you get away with that diva-commander stuff so much elsewhere you think it'll fly here. Not so much. You made the charge, you do your own homework. Hell, I even spotted ya one and you couldn't even bunt that one.
Do you really talk like that? Jeez...
And I've already answered you, sport. You just didn't like my answer. Here it is again. LEAN FORWARD and read. It's my answer and at the risk of being called "magnificently lazy" by you, it's what you're getting. Btw, you really should omit the five syllable adjectives. Makes you sound like a girly a$$. Besides, it just adds more useless pork I have to edit off your usual blah, blah, blah.
==
When the government performs an entire make-over on healthcare in this country which up until now been a private sector business and one which totals one sixth of the entire US economy......
and you combine that with the IRS overseeing it's implementation and administration..........
and for added fun that same entity has with the blessing of SCOTUS to fine (tax) those who don't comply, I'm pretty sure at this point its safe to say it falls under the heading of socialism.
==
Any political or economic theory that's put into motion which advocates collective and/or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
Websters version.
A way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. I'll give you this. The government doesn't own the hospitals and pay the doctors. Yet.
"A WAY OF ORGANIZING A SOCIETY IN WHICH MAJOR INDUSTRIES ARE CONTROLLED....." Purchasing personal healthcare in this country is now controlled by the government. Yes, no, maybe? Invasive? Yes, no or maybe? Pervasive? Yes, no or maybe? Intrusive? Yes, no or maybe? Has this not just opened that insidious barn door of government involvement in our personal lives a little further? Yes, no or maybe? You MUST buy this or else. What the he11 do you call THAT, Hip? Libertarianism?
The government is, by dubious law imo, ORDERING every citizen to buy something they may not want to buy or face penalties. And just so you stop tinkling in your pants, I'll no longer use the word EXEMPTION regarding congress and this law. We'll just call them special people with special presidential privileges. Okay? Oh yeah, and some of the big businesses which he favors get to be special too.... with those same special presidential privileges.
The kicker to this whole thing, is the following. We know the majority of Americans voted for Obama, thus they voted for his healthcare act.
NOW, surprise-surprise we know the majority of Americans don't want his healthcare plan.
Is it safe to say "low information voter," yet? ALL the polls showing people who DON'T want this, are filled with the same geniuses who VOTED for this. You really are a hoot (aka known as a pip.) Not only are you pleased as punch Obama won, you want to pretend the people who voted for him were well informed. Good luck with that. The polls say just the opposite.
==
Now, stop stalling and name those 2 rogue agents responsible for the 'phoney' IRS scandal, give me a detailed report on how the fake hunt is going for those responsible for Benghazi the other phoney scandal, post the list of Obama's myths and lies regarding the ACA and for extra credit, explain how the word(s) LEAN FORWARD accidently got subliminally adopted by Obama as an accompanying tagline to his politics.
And if you do all that in a timely manner, I'll give you really high MARX.
Promise!
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169313 Oct 1, 2013
Soooooooo, my question this morning is to Tea Party fans who orchestrated this little hiccup.

How is this shutdown drama helping America, when 72+-% of Americans didn't want a shutdown? Because if this is the part where I'm supposed to get all warm and fuzzy over Ted Cruz's standing strong on his principles, I'm not feeling it.

Am I doing it wrong?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169314 Oct 1, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
AWWW.....C'MON MAN!
I figured we'd lose Catcher, but you??
Sources tell me Catcher was recently spotted trying to solicit IANS to come "over here" to assist him in keeping from drowning. That would bring his appearing and disappearing posse up to four, I think. This forum has now hosted Tide and River and Clem (they didn't stick around long, did they?) and now perhaps IANS may make a celebrity appearance.
Eek -- this is so exciting. I must remember to shine my party shoes!

Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169315 Oct 1, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the definition of insanity, again?
>wink<
Voting in far left liberal democrats in Detroit for the last 50 years and wondering why it's gone bankrupt.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169316 Oct 1, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
Soooooooo, my question this morning is to Tea Party fans who orchestrated this little hiccup.
How is this shutdown drama helping America, when 72+-% of Americans didn't want a shutdown? Because if this is the part where I'm supposed to get all warm and fuzzy over Ted Cruz's standing strong on his principles, I'm not feeling it.
Am I doing it wrong?
My God, it's a miracle... the federal government has shut down, and we're still alive!

If only those 25 Republican 'senior' Senators had followed Ted Cruz's lead by voting against cloture, we would clearly see that it was the Democrat led Senate that shut down the government. The Senate couldn't have amended the House bill without having 60 votes in support, so Harry Reid would have had to sit on it, without bringing it to the floor for a vote.

Way to go 'senior' Republican Senators, you showed that young pup Ted Cruz his place, and screwed the American public with obamacare.
A vote for cloture was a vote for obamacare, and 25 'senior' Republican Senators sided with the Senate Democrats to allow the funding of obamacare, and a bigger, more controlling, government.

You're pointing your finger at the wrong Republicans Lyndi.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169317 Oct 1, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
Soooooooo, my question this morning is to Tea Party fans who orchestrated this little hiccup.
How is this shutdown drama helping America, when 72+-% of Americans didn't want a shutdown? Because if this is the part where I'm supposed to get all warm and fuzzy over Ted Cruz's standing strong on his principles, I'm not feeling it.
Am I doing it wrong?
These are the Republican Senators that are responsible for giving us obamacare:

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Jeff Chiesa (R-NJ)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Lisa Murkowksi (R-AK)
John Thune (R-SD)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169318 Oct 1, 2013
Catcher here. Very busy, but thought I'd bring you the latest news:

UNITED STATES (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare.

“My father didn’t have health care and neither did my father’s father before him,” he said.“I’ll be damned if I’m going to let my children have it.”

But after driving over ten hours to the Canadian border, Mr. Dorrinson was dismayed to learn that America’s northern neighbor had been in the iron grip of health care for decades.

“The border guard was so calm when he told me, as if it was the most normal thing in the world,” he said.“It’s like he was brainwashed by health care.”

Turning away from Canada, Mr. Dorrinson joined a procession of Tea Party cars heading south to Mexico, noting,“They may have drug cartels and narcoterrorism down there, but at least they’ve kept health care out.”

Mr. Dorrinson was halfway to the southern border before he heard through the Tea Party grapevine that Mexico, too, has public health care, as do Great Britain, Japan, Turkey, Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, Slovenia, and dozens of other countries to which he had considered fleeing.

Undaunted, Mr. Dorrinson said he had begun looking into additional countries, like Chad and North Korea, but he expressed astonishment at a world seemingly overrun by health care.

“It turns out that the United States is one of the last countries on earth to get it,” he said.“It makes me proud to be an American.”

Lyndi, I'm flattered that you're still stalking me.

Later.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169319 Oct 1, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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My God, it's a miracle... the federal government has shut down, and we're still alive!
If only those 25 Republican 'senior' Senators had followed Ted Cruz's lead by voting against cloture, we would clearly see that it was the Democrat led Senate that shut down the government. The Senate couldn't have amended the House bill without having 60 votes in support, so Harry Reid would have had to sit on it, without bringing it to the floor for a vote.
Way to go 'senior' Republican Senators, you showed that young pup Ted Cruz his place, and screwed the American public with obamacare.
A vote for cloture was a vote for obamacare, and 25 'senior' Republican Senators sided with the Senate Democrats to allow the funding of obamacare, and a bigger, more controlling, government.
You're pointing your finger at the wrong Republicans Lyndi.
The senate republicans didn't screw the American public, bobin. The Obama voter did.... if you want to blame someone. And remember, Cruz did this on his own, without the republican senate in his corner and he knew that in advance. They never had any intention of following Cruz of the proverbial cliff. Of course, now they get dragged over it anyway by reason of association. Oh, what fun!

The House should have imo kept the government open, said we've done all we can do and let the ACA hit the wall and bomb, then it would all be on democrats. The failures, glitches, lost jobs, unforseen costs etc. etc. of the ACA would be topping the news today.... not a Tea Party forced government shutdown which drags the rest of the republican party into and that's how it's playing out. You can yell all you want that it's the democrats who forced the shutdown but that isn't how the media is going to play it, it isn't how the President is going to play it and it isn't how Reid is going to play it and THEY'RE the ones with the big microphones.

The Tea Party is under the umbrella of the GOP. The GOP is NOT under the umbrella of the Tea Party and it doesn't matter that you and some others don't like that. That's how it is and I hope the next time they decide to stand on their principles, it doesn't cost as much as I think this will.

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