Bush is a hero

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169194 Sep 27, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>.....and then there's the misinformation campaign rife with red-flag buzzwords to motivate the ignoratti that politicized and derailed any meaningful discussion of a national issue for no other reason but to oppose anything whatever positive to come under the tenure of the hated opposition and resulted in the watered-down mongrel that no one likes. If you've got to lie to advance your position it would seem obvious even you know it's a weak position, but the purveyors know well that "truth" is whatever you can convince the dittoheads to believe. And thus another chance to actually address an issue crippling to the struggling middle-class is left by the wayside in the name of political gamesmanship.
Way to represent.
You have a right to yer opinion same as anyone else, but I notice ya didn't refute anything Lyndi had posted. Why is that?

As for the rest, it's nothing new. The loyal opposition from either side is bound to make things difficult the best way they know how. Why should Obama or Obamacare or any other issue be different?

The 2200 page Obamacare law is likely to fail, and many want this new law to be implemented so that people will see that it never should've gone forward as it was currently written. Just another example of an inexperienced man at the helm, ramrodding it thru, so the great savior'd have a legacy. Ridiculous.

No one is doubting that HC needs to be reformed. But the right people need to be elected first, so that it CAN be reformed, and
done right, as it should've been the 1st time. That is, to take the best features from this law, get with all the knowledgeable professionals and number crunchers, and get the d@mn thing reworked for a much more reasonable price.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169195 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I accept you apology.
Eat your crow now.
Imagine that. The haughty spell checker earns a typo.

Now you can stop paddin' yer post count with useless corrections.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169196 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am quite comfortable crossing swords with adversaries far more able than you, and don't mind your fun seeking at all.
One question though: What happened to that "high road" you were talking about?
I wasnt aware I took the low road Catch.........I guess I should have known though since you only travel the lower roads.......

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#169197 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Who can identify the author of this statement:
"The full consequences of a default by the United States--or even the serious prospect of a default--by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and the value of the dollar in exchange markets."
Let the googling begin.
Time has expired, with no takers.

The answer is..........Your god of all gods, Ronnie Reagan, to Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker (R.-Tenn), in 1983.

Low information voters?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169198 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have also been advised never to argue with an idiot: he will drag you down to his level, and defeat you with experience.
An old saw that you paraphrased to make it seem like YOU dreamed it up. Diabolical! Is there no end to yer genie-ass?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169199 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am quite comfortable crossing swords with adversaries far more able than you, and don't mind your fun seeking at all.
"Crossing swords". Stealing phrases outta my msgs now? Tsk tsk.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#169200 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
An old saw that you paraphrased to make it seem like YOU dreamed it up. Diabolical! Is there no end to yer genie-ass?
Read my post again.
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169201 Sep 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of it:
Feds offer broke Detroit $100M to fight blight
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/national...

So if history is a guide this $100 million will be pissed away and Detroit will be even worse of a pit?
Perhaps they'd be better to wait for a neocon President, proclaim themselves an independent Muslim state, and mutter something about WMD. That's a sure way to get a trillion or so dollars pouring in....if history is a guide.
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169202 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Quit acting like some catty person. It is so unbecoming. I can tolerate almost anything but a gossip.
You won't mind if I save this for future reference? thanx.

Tell me now, if you would - how do you "gossip" right in front of someone? Seems to me "gossip" in this format would be people messaging each other in private. That don't happen, at all. Right?
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169203 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have also been advised never to argue with an idiot: he will drag you down to his level, and defeat you with experience.
There ya go - that's ancient wisdom.

Proverbs 26:4
"Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest thou also be like unto him."

Words to topix by...
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169204 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a right to yer opinion same as anyone else, but I notice ya didn't refute anything Lyndi had posted. Why is that?
I separate this out only for clarity in answering your question.

There were only two points made. I refuted them both - "government takeover of healthcare" is an outright lie. Plopping "socialist" on top of the lie is just sweetening a manure pile with candy sprinkles. Both are calculated to rope in a specific target audience.

If it needs to be further explained why it's an outright lie, and why the term "socialist" is falsely employed, then it only proves why the tactic is so effective at reaching it's target audience. She doesn't care if people in general believe it, it only matters if her cadre believe it, and hopefully, repeat it. That's the lifeblood of the people's debate anymore, and we wonder why it's toxic.

Please, keep these two examples in mind every time you hear about "low information voters".

This is a great example as to why we shouldn't wonder why the national debate is so absolutely FUBAR, when lies are accepted a priori as a normal part of the process, and information value is measured only by how well it skewers the person/group we want skewered.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169205 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Read my post again.
No need, worthless troll. I got it the 1st time. But it's ok, better for me really, if you keep yer big trap shut while I take pot shots at yer sorry @ss.

Example, I found this jewel to be EXTREMELY amusing:
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am quite comfortable crossing swords with adversaries far more able than you, and don't mind your fun seeking at all.

One question though: What happened to that "high road" you were talking about?
For a plagiarist and a troll favoring inane one-liners and droll wisecracks, you certainly have a bloated opinion of yer abilities.
Not surprising though.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169206 Sep 27, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>You won't mind if I save this for future reference? thanx.
Tell me now, if you would - how do you "gossip" right in front of someone? Seems to me "gossip" in this format would be people messaging each other in private. That don't happen, at all. Right?
Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169207 Sep 27, 2013
[QUOTE who=["HipGnozizzz"] <quoted text>There were only two points made. I refuted them both - "government takeover of healthcare" is an outright lie. Plopping "socialist" on top of the lie is just sweetening a manure pile with candy sprinkles. Both are calculated to rope in a specific target audience.[/QUOTE]

Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:

[QUOTE who=["Lyndi"]<quo ted text>
Hey, Honey Boo Boo, when the government performs an entire make-over on healthcare in this country which up until now been a private sector business and one which totals one sixth of the entire US economy......
and you combine that with the IRS overseeing it's implementation and administration..........
and for added fun that same entity has with the blessing of SCOTUS to fine (tax) those who don't comply, I'm pretty sure at this point its safe to say it falls under the heading of socialism.
Any political or economic theory that's put into motion which advocates collective and/or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods is called?????? You got it! SOCIALISM.[/QUOTE]

What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.

www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169208 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.
Even though "gossip" was a wrong choice in wording, the concept
of your msg was still conveyed and no doubt completely understood by all related parties.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#169209 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:
<quoted text>
What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.
www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...
That's the one.

Lyndi's "Honey Boo Boo" post.
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169210 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:
<quoted text>
What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.
www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...
The first post was directed to the author. It wasn't necessary to spell it out for her - I have every confidence that she knew exactly where the stretchers were. I'm guessing I give her credit for more intelligence than some others.

You, as an observer uncertain about the facts, requested further information. Apparently you needed the lies pointed out. I did so. Did I really need to add, "....and "government takeover" is a lie because there is no government takeover". What proof, you say? Uh, because there is no government takeover.

More proof, you say, because you still don't know? You've got a computer right there, Google "Romney Explains ObamaCare Not Socialized Medicine".

Hell, Romney tried to completely avoid the subject, but in one primary debate he cornered himself, and only had two paths out of his predicament - to answer intelligently or die on the spot. As I'm SURE you recall, he directly refuted the charge that RomneyCare (aka ObamaCare) was a government takeover.

So, "government takeover" was Lie#1, and so being, by default, anointed "socialist" to be Lie#2.

This ain't about an opinion - it's either raining or someone's pissing up our leg.
HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#169211 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.
As I'll deal with it, somehow, the next time someone "pats" you "on the butt" and expands in graphic detail for the ninety11th time why they don't read this or that one's posts.

Or you could just dispense with the blatantly slanted self-righteousness gig......just a thought.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169212 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, what fun! A visit from a social worker for this non socialized program which we mustn't call socialism.
What are you worried about...ya got nothin' ta HIDE, do ya....?

(A familiar refrain, in response to those who bemoaned the passage of the Patriot Act, by lots and sundry right here in this room...they know who they are...)

:)

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169213 Sep 27, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>As I'll deal with it, somehow, the next time someone "pats" you "on the butt" and expands in graphic detail for the ninety11th time why they don't read this or that one's posts.
Or you could just dispense with the blatantly slanted self-righteousness gig......just a thought.
I don't do that and you know it. It is nice that you are showing a modicum of shame. It would just be nice if you were direct. You think that by talking with someone about another person you aren't doing the "ad hominem" attacks. I'd rather you did them outright, it's at least honest. Anyway just saying I hate that. Don't get all upset.

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