Bush is a hero

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169198 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have also been advised never to argue with an idiot: he will drag you down to his level, and defeat you with experience.
An old saw that you paraphrased to make it seem like YOU dreamed it up. Diabolical! Is there no end to yer genie-ass?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169199 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I am quite comfortable crossing swords with adversaries far more able than you, and don't mind your fun seeking at all.
"Crossing swords". Stealing phrases outta my msgs now? Tsk tsk.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#169200 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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An old saw that you paraphrased to make it seem like YOU dreamed it up. Diabolical! Is there no end to yer genie-ass?
Read my post again.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169201 Sep 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Speaking of it:
Feds offer broke Detroit $100M to fight blight
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/national...

So if history is a guide this $100 million will be pissed away and Detroit will be even worse of a pit?
Perhaps they'd be better to wait for a neocon President, proclaim themselves an independent Muslim state, and mutter something about WMD. That's a sure way to get a trillion or so dollars pouring in....if history is a guide.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169202 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Quit acting like some catty person. It is so unbecoming. I can tolerate almost anything but a gossip.
You won't mind if I save this for future reference? thanx.

Tell me now, if you would - how do you "gossip" right in front of someone? Seems to me "gossip" in this format would be people messaging each other in private. That don't happen, at all. Right?
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169203 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I have also been advised never to argue with an idiot: he will drag you down to his level, and defeat you with experience.
There ya go - that's ancient wisdom.

Proverbs 26:4
"Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest thou also be like unto him."

Words to topix by...
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169204 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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You have a right to yer opinion same as anyone else, but I notice ya didn't refute anything Lyndi had posted. Why is that?
I separate this out only for clarity in answering your question.

There were only two points made. I refuted them both - "government takeover of healthcare" is an outright lie. Plopping "socialist" on top of the lie is just sweetening a manure pile with candy sprinkles. Both are calculated to rope in a specific target audience.

If it needs to be further explained why it's an outright lie, and why the term "socialist" is falsely employed, then it only proves why the tactic is so effective at reaching it's target audience. She doesn't care if people in general believe it, it only matters if her cadre believe it, and hopefully, repeat it. That's the lifeblood of the people's debate anymore, and we wonder why it's toxic.

Please, keep these two examples in mind every time you hear about "low information voters".

This is a great example as to why we shouldn't wonder why the national debate is so absolutely FUBAR, when lies are accepted a priori as a normal part of the process, and information value is measured only by how well it skewers the person/group we want skewered.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169205 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Read my post again.
No need, worthless troll. I got it the 1st time. But it's ok, better for me really, if you keep yer big trap shut while I take pot shots at yer sorry @ss.

Example, I found this jewel to be EXTREMELY amusing:
Catcher1 wrote:
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I am quite comfortable crossing swords with adversaries far more able than you, and don't mind your fun seeking at all.

One question though: What happened to that "high road" you were talking about?
For a plagiarist and a troll favoring inane one-liners and droll wisecracks, you certainly have a bloated opinion of yer abilities.
Not surprising though.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169206 Sep 27, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>You won't mind if I save this for future reference? thanx.
Tell me now, if you would - how do you "gossip" right in front of someone? Seems to me "gossip" in this format would be people messaging each other in private. That don't happen, at all. Right?
Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169207 Sep 27, 2013
[QUOTE who=["HipGnozizzz"] <quoted text>There were only two points made. I refuted them both - "government takeover of healthcare" is an outright lie. Plopping "socialist" on top of the lie is just sweetening a manure pile with candy sprinkles. Both are calculated to rope in a specific target audience.[/QUOTE]

Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:

[QUOTE who=["Lyndi"]<quo ted text>
Hey, Honey Boo Boo, when the government performs an entire make-over on healthcare in this country which up until now been a private sector business and one which totals one sixth of the entire US economy......
and you combine that with the IRS overseeing it's implementation and administration..........
and for added fun that same entity has with the blessing of SCOTUS to fine (tax) those who don't comply, I'm pretty sure at this point its safe to say it falls under the heading of socialism.
Any political or economic theory that's put into motion which advocates collective and/or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods is called?????? You got it! SOCIALISM.[/QUOTE]

What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.

www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#169208 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.
Even though "gossip" was a wrong choice in wording, the concept
of your msg was still conveyed and no doubt completely understood by all related parties.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#169209 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:
<quoted text>
What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.
www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...
That's the one.

Lyndi's "Honey Boo Boo" post.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169210 Sep 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Umm no I don't believe you did. Here's her msg:
<quoted text>
What you did was opine about how "misinformation" is spread, followed by the opposition's all-out attack on anything Obama.
www.merriam-webster.com
refute:&#8206;
to prove that (something) is not true.: to say that (something) is not true. Full Definition of REFUTE. 1.: to prove wrong by argument or evidence ...
The first post was directed to the author. It wasn't necessary to spell it out for her - I have every confidence that she knew exactly where the stretchers were. I'm guessing I give her credit for more intelligence than some others.

You, as an observer uncertain about the facts, requested further information. Apparently you needed the lies pointed out. I did so. Did I really need to add, "....and "government takeover" is a lie because there is no government takeover". What proof, you say? Uh, because there is no government takeover.

More proof, you say, because you still don't know? You've got a computer right there, Google "Romney Explains ObamaCare Not Socialized Medicine".

Hell, Romney tried to completely avoid the subject, but in one primary debate he cornered himself, and only had two paths out of his predicament - to answer intelligently or die on the spot. As I'm SURE you recall, he directly refuted the charge that RomneyCare (aka ObamaCare) was a government takeover.

So, "government takeover" was Lie#1, and so being, by default, anointed "socialist" to be Lie#2.

This ain't about an opinion - it's either raining or someone's pissing up our leg.
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169211 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe gossip is the wrong word but generally gossip is meant to hurt someone and they know about it. But this patting someone on the butt and saying yeah that guy is terrible, just makes me sick. My problem. I'll deal with it.
As I'll deal with it, somehow, the next time someone "pats" you "on the butt" and expands in graphic detail for the ninety11th time why they don't read this or that one's posts.

Or you could just dispense with the blatantly slanted self-righteousness gig......just a thought.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169212 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Oh, what fun! A visit from a social worker for this non socialized program which we mustn't call socialism.
What are you worried about...ya got nothin' ta HIDE, do ya....?

(A familiar refrain, in response to those who bemoaned the passage of the Patriot Act, by lots and sundry right here in this room...they know who they are...)

:)

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169213 Sep 27, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
<quoted text>As I'll deal with it, somehow, the next time someone "pats" you "on the butt" and expands in graphic detail for the ninety11th time why they don't read this or that one's posts.
Or you could just dispense with the blatantly slanted self-righteousness gig......just a thought.
I don't do that and you know it. It is nice that you are showing a modicum of shame. It would just be nice if you were direct. You think that by talking with someone about another person you aren't doing the "ad hominem" attacks. I'd rather you did them outright, it's at least honest. Anyway just saying I hate that. Don't get all upset.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169214 Sep 27, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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"Dan, you pompous ass!"
I see health care, in general, and the uninsured as two seperate problems. One is structural, the other societal. They'll have their tangents, but should be addressed initially on two distinct planes for the most part. This was not done with the ACA.
Ok, this sounds interesting on paper, but could you elaborate on why the uninsured and the state of health care in general are on two different planes? We're having these problems because we are so structured as a society. JMO.
Gonna have to cut this short...

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169215 Sep 27, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Honestly, I can't figure out exactly what the "architects" were thinking that threw this mess together.
I think they were thinking : "Gee - what would we have to do to get everybody and their dog pissed off??
Lost In Transition wrote:
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It doesn't contain costs, it doesn't guarantee medical attention for the poor, and it doesn't prevent the very real threat of illness induced bankruptcy and/or poverty. What it does do is grow the insurance industry, the managed care industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and last but not least the government. Yikes! A failure on every level.
FINALLY: A JOBS PLAN.
(yeah, I went there)
Lost In Transition wrote:
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The present medical structure needs to be dismantled completeley. And de-centralized. There should be no monetary incentive, particularly from the government, for becoming a behemoth where medical treatment is involved. It's immoral. Just the opposite should be our goal. Provide incentives for the one-room family doctor, the local clinic, the independant practice. Not in monetary payments, but in tax breaks.
We'll wind up with 67% of the populace "not paying taxes" instead of 47%. Let's think about this....
Lost In Transition wrote:
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These people are public servants, cut them a little slack. Or a lot, they deserve it. If the government feels they MUST get involved, they can use their weight to twist big-pharma's arm.
Why not Big AG's arm, since the bioengineering companies are producing the majority of our produce these days...how healthy can it be to bypass years of evolution, and eat grains in the first place, much less the ones we ourselves designed to KILL things...???
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Break it if they want, those guys bug me.
Pun intended?
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Get the lawyers off the doctor's back. Send disputes to arbitration, no blood suckers allowed.
Good gig for arbiters.
(cutting it short again...)

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169216 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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I love it. I'll have to keep a pack of smokes on hand. Anyone that comes to visit from the government will be interviewing a smokestack in a closed office, and since I'm a dumb Tea Party type, I'll have a lot of questions.
Heck, if they set up an appointment time, I can eat a bunch of Slim Jims, hard boiled eggs, broccoli, onions and a few beers before they get here.
:)
Whoever they send will carry that particular essence home to their significant other...probably linger for days.

Sounds like a plan...the next one will put off the visit until it's no longer feasible, and pass it on to their successor if possible in the meantime...for years...

Well played.

:)

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169217 Sep 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Quit acting like some catty person. It is so unbecoming. I can tolerate almost anything but a gossip.
Gee Marmie... you gonna put him in time-out if he doesn't behave to your specs?

Condescension, and your Lissy prissypants persona, aren't all that "becoming" either.

Jus' sayin'...

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