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Lost In Transition

Big Stone Gap, VA

#169154 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasn't taking care of the 'uninsured' obama's original 'stated' goal of obamacare? Somehow, that got expanded to also include people that already had adequate and affordable heath insurance.
In truth, the Democrat's 'real' goal was for increased power, and government dependency... and what better way to gain power over people than to control their health care.
I agree, that's the way it's playing out. I think it was Bill Bonner that said every noble cause starts it's life as a well intentioned idea, becomes a job for the true believer, then invariably grows into a racket. Normally, that process takes years or decades to play out. In the case of providing medical care for the poor, it reached "warped speed" in a matter of months.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169155 Sep 27, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the ACA is going to be a massive failure. The numbers don't add up.
No worries.
This administration has 2 back-up plans for failure. One is to force it to work even if it sucks the life out of the country. And two is the:'it's too big to fail' program which works with federal dollars we don't have but Washington can borrow. Detroit is currently on the waiting list and bookies are now taking bets to see if bankrupt cities in California will follow.
Lost In Transition

Big Stone Gap, VA

#169156 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
GOP amendment to CR would cancel Congress's ObamaCare 'fix'
09/26/13 02:25 PM ET
Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) is ready to challenge Democrats on Congress's ObamaCare "fix" on a government-funding bill.
An amendment from Ross would bar lawmakers and staff from retaining their longtime employer healthcare subsidy once they shift into ObamaCare's new marketplaces.
The Florida Republican said he is gathering support to attach the divisive measure to the must-pass government spending bill this weekend, putting members of both parties on the spot.
Congress's healthcare has become a political football as Republicans seek leverage to undercut the Affordable Care Act.
The law requires members and their staffs to obtain coverage on the new insurance marketplaces, instead of the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) like other government workers.
Like many private sector employers, the FEHBP subsidizes premiums for its enrollees, including employees on Capitol Hill. But the average contribution of 70 percent is seen as particularly generous.
Congressional leaders feared a mass exodus of staffers angry about healthcare costs if the subsidies were lost, and they asked the White House to allow Capitol Hill to retain subsidized premiums on the marketplaces. The Office of Personnel Management released guidance in August doing just this. It was immediately denounced by ObamaCare's critics as an "exception" for lawmakers and their staff.
Ross and his allies argue that Congress and its staff should pay for premiums on ObamaCare's exchanges exactly as an uninsured person would.
His amendment would also apply to the president, vice president and political appointees.(LOL!)
Ross's amendment could be among the demands attached to the measure before it is presumably sent back to the Senate this weekend.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-r...
When this thing gets kicked back to the house, all exemptions that have been allowed should be removed. Nobody gets a free ride. And all aspects of the law should be enforced by the time-line laid out within that law, including the business mandate. If the senate and the president believe this is a good deal, then let them pass it in it's entirety. If not, then admit so and get back to the drawing board.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169157 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a divorce case, I don't take either person's comments seriously.
What did the police report say?
What police report?

I'm asking for your comments on this:

Shellie Zimmerman told the Today show's Matt Lauer that she's unsure of what exactly happened when her estranged husband, George Zimmerman encountered an unarmed Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26, 2012.

"This person that I'm married to that I'm divorcing, I've kind of realized now that I don't know him," she told Matt Lauer on Thursday. "And I really don't know what he's capable of."

She's also unsure it was self-defense.

"I'm conflicted on that," she said. "I believe the evidence, but this revelation in my life has really helped me to take the blinders off."

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169158 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Honey Boo Boo, when the government performs an entire make-over on healthcare in this country which up until now been a private sector business and one which totals one sixth of the entire US economy......
and you combine that with the IRS overseeing it's implementation and administration..........
and for added fun that same entity has with the blessing of SCOTUS to fine (tax) those who don't comply, I'm pretty sure at this point its safe to say it falls under the heading of socialism.
Any political or economic theory that's put into motion which advocates collective and/or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods is called??????
You got it! SOCIALISM
Honey Boo Boo?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169159 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
GOP amendment to CR would cancel Congress's ObamaCare 'fix'
09/26/13 02:25 PM ET
Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) is ready to challenge Democrats on Congress's ObamaCare "fix" on a government-funding bill.
An amendment from Ross would bar lawmakers and staff from retaining their longtime employer healthcare subsidy once they shift into ObamaCare's new marketplaces.
The Florida Republican said he is gathering support to attach the divisive measure to the must-pass government spending bill this weekend, putting members of both parties on the spot.
Congress's healthcare has become a political football as Republicans seek leverage to undercut the Affordable Care Act.
The law requires members and their staffs to obtain coverage on the new insurance marketplaces, instead of the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) like other government workers.
Like many private sector employers, the FEHBP subsidizes premiums for its enrollees, including employees on Capitol Hill. But the average contribution of 70 percent is seen as particularly generous.
Congressional leaders feared a mass exodus of staffers angry about healthcare costs if the subsidies were lost, and they asked the White House to allow Capitol Hill to retain subsidized premiums on the marketplaces. The Office of Personnel Management released guidance in August doing just this. It was immediately denounced by ObamaCare's critics as an "exception" for lawmakers and their staff.
Ross and his allies argue that Congress and its staff should pay for premiums on ObamaCare's exchanges exactly as an uninsured person would.
His amendment would also apply to the president, vice president and political appointees.(LOL!)
Ross's amendment could be among the demands attached to the measure before it is presumably sent back to the Senate this weekend.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-r...
Not a chance of passing in the Senate, now that 27 Republican Senators surrendered to the Democrats, and have voted to give Harry Reid the ability to strip any amendments, and pass the modified bill by a simple Democrat majority of 51 votes.

Harry just stripped out the defund obamacare part of the House bill, and it passed the Senate 54-44.

Way to go Flipper, you and your fellow big government RINOs just ensured obamacare implementation! Congratulations John McLame, you'll probably be booked on all the Sunday morning liberal talk shows.

I can only hope that John Cornyn gets a Tea Party candidate running against him in a primary fight in 2014. Voting for obamacare won't sit well with Texans.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169160 Sep 27, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Check this one out - Medicare has been doing this for awhile, already...
http://www.caintv.com/are-you-ready-for-obama...
I love it. I'll have to keep a pack of smokes on hand. Anyone that comes to visit from the government will be interviewing a smokestack in a closed office, and since I'm a dumb Tea Party type, I'll have a lot of questions.

Heck, if they set up an appointment time, I can eat a bunch of Slim Jims, hard boiled eggs, broccoli, onions and a few beers before they get here.
:)
Trucker

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#169161 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a chance of passing in the Senate, now that 27 Republican Senators surrendered to the Democrats, and have voted to give Harry Reid the ability to strip any amendments, and pass the modified bill by a simple Democrat majority of 51 votes.
Harry just stripped out the defund obamacare part of the House bill, and it passed the Senate 54-44.
Way to go Flipper, you and your fellow big government RINOs just ensured obamacare implementation! Congratulations John McLame, you'll probably be booked on all the Sunday morning liberal talk shows.
I can only hope that John Cornyn gets a Tea Party candidate running against him in a primary fight in 2014. Voting for obamacare won't sit well with Texans.
Just heard Harkin say politics is at a civil war era level. Of course since he is on the left he can say anything. Not good. Time to get some tunes on the radio and say the hell with it.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169162 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What police report?
I'm asking for your comments on this:
Shellie Zimmerman told the Today show's Matt Lauer that she's unsure of what exactly happened when her estranged husband, George Zimmerman encountered an unarmed Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26, 2012.
"This person that I'm married to that I'm divorcing, I've kind of realized now that I don't know him," she told Matt Lauer on Thursday. "And I really don't know what he's capable of."
She's also unsure it was self-defense.
"I'm conflicted on that," she said. "I believe the evidence, but this revelation in my life has really helped me to take the blinders off."
I have no comment. I don't trust anything either party says during a divorce. I can't believe that you're that gullible, counselor.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169163 Sep 27, 2013
Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>Just heard Harkin say politics is at a civil war era level. Of course since he is on the left he can say anything. Not good. Time to get some tunes on the radio and say the hell with it.
Save your 'Dixie Cups', the South shall rise again!
:)

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169164 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What police report?
I'm asking for your comments on this:
Shellie Zimmerman told the Today show's Matt Lauer that she's unsure of what exactly happened when her estranged husband, George Zimmerman encountered an unarmed Trayvon Martin on the night of February 26, 2012.
"This person that I'm married to that I'm divorcing, I've kind of realized now that I don't know him," she told Matt Lauer on Thursday. "And I really don't know what he's capable of."
She's also unsure it was self-defense.
"I'm conflicted on that," she said. "I believe the evidence, but this revelation in my life has really helped me to take the blinders off."
Another thing she said:

When asked if GZ profiled Martin she responded 'absolutely not' Lauer asked again and she said absolutely not.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169165 Sep 27, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
"Dan, you pompous ass!"
I see health care, in general, and the uninsured as two seperate problems. One is structural, the other societal. They'll have their tangents, but should be addressed initially on two distinct planes for the most part. This was not done with the ACA. Honestly, I can't figure out exactly what the "architects" were thinking that threw this mess together. It doesn't contain costs, it doesn't guarantee medical attention for the poor, and it doesn't prevent the very real threat of illness induced bankruptcy and/or poverty. What it does do is grow the insurance industry, the managed care industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and last but not least the government. Yikes! A failure on every level. The present medical structure needs to be dismantled completeley. And de-centralized. There should be no monetary incentive, particularly from the government, for becoming a behemoth where medical treatment is involved. It's immoral. Just the opposite should be our goal. Provide incentives for the one-room family doctor, the local clinic, the independant practice. Not in monetary payments, but in tax breaks. These people are public servants, cut them a little slack. Or a lot, they deserve it. If the government feels they MUST get involved, they can use their weight to twist big-pharma's arm. Break it if they want, those guys bug me. Get the lawyers off the doctor's back. Send disputes to arbitration, no blood suckers allowed. If there was some way to devise a one-payer system that the government had minimal involvement in, and I'm talking teeny-weenie here, I'd consider it. But I think this would be much better handled on the state and local level. The government just isn't qualified for this type thing. That's apparent.
Every dollar the government inserts distorts normal market forces, and not to the benefit of the individual. I think the massive monetary infusions over the last 10 years that have led to nothing more than the largest gap between rich and poor in history, and the ongoing decimation of the middle class, speak to the effects. If the government gives Joe a dollar to offset his costs, the insurance company immediately raises Joe's costs by 50 cents because Joe can now afford it, the HMO by another quarter for the same reason, and Joe's company, not about to get run off of that pig trough or lose a dime, lays 35 cents of Joe's insurance costs back on him. In the end, that government dollar just cost Joe $1.10. But Joe ain't done paying for that dollar. No, not yet. He still has to deal, in the long run, with a government deficit that just increased by a dollar due to all that government "help". Heck, we'll just adjust the CPI on Joe's Social Security to get that dollar back, old geezer doesn't need it anyway. Or we'll charge some kid a "penalty", which he can't afford, to cover it. There's no way, in that system, Joe wins. Or even breaks neutral. And, being the cynic I am, that's fine with all involved. Except Joe. And that broke kid.
Sorry about cutting your post, I really outdid myself. I know I barely scratched the surface and didn't address the unemployed at all, but my hunt and peck finger hurts.
Good series of posts LIT.....
HipGnozizzz

Dahinda, IL

#169166 Sep 27, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Honey Boo Boo, when the government performs an entire make-over on healthcare in this country which up until now been a private sector business and one which totals one sixth of the entire US economy......
and you combine that with the IRS overseeing it's implementation and administration..........
and for added fun that same entity has with the blessing of SCOTUS to fine (tax) those who don't comply, I'm pretty sure at this point its safe to say it falls under the heading of socialism.
Any political or economic theory that's put into motion which advocates collective and/or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods is called??????
You got it! SOCIALISM
.....and then there's the misinformation campaign rife with red-flag buzzwords to motivate the ignoratti that politicized and derailed any meaningful discussion of a national issue for no other reason but to oppose anything whatever positive to come under the tenure of the hated opposition and resulted in the watered-down mongrel that no one likes. If you've got to lie to advance your position it would seem obvious even you know it's a weak position, but the purveyors know well that "truth" is whatever you can convince the dittoheads to believe. And thus another chance to actually address an issue crippling to the struggling middle-class is left by the wayside in the name of political gamesmanship.

Way to represent.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169167 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no comment. I don't trust anything either party says during a divorce. I can't believe that you're that gullible, counselor.
You're the gullible one.

You'll stand by your Zimmerman pal come hell or high water.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169168 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the gullible one.
You'll stand by your Zimmerman pal come hell or high water.
You mean justice wasnt served?

What happened? Incompetent lawyers?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169169 Sep 27, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean justice wasnt served?
What happened? Incompetent lawyers?
Sometimes there is a difference between legal culpability and moral culpability.

In my view, this is such a case.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169170 Sep 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the gullible one.
You'll stand by your Zimmerman pal come hell or high water.
I didn't say I supported Zimmerman, I said, "I have no comment".

Not only have you proven yourself to be extremely gullible, you don't seem to comprehend the English language very well, either.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#169171 Sep 27, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean justice wasnt served?
It was.
Rider on the Storm wrote:
What happened? Incompetent lawyers?
Incompetent lawyers, and the simple fact that the prosecution couldn't come up with 'evidence' or eyewitnesses to convict an innocent man.

It was a baseless trial, held only to appease the obama administration, and the rest of the race hustlers... it never had a chance for a conviction, just harassment.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169172 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say I supported Zimmerman, I said, "I have no comment".
Not only have you proven yourself to be extremely gullible, you don't seem to comprehend the English language very well, either.
Oh, no you don't.

You have ranted and railed in support of Zimmerman.

And you know it.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#169173 Sep 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
It was.
<quoted text>
Incompetent lawyers, and the simple fact that the prosecution couldn't come up with 'evidence' or eyewitnesses to convict an innocent man.
It was a baseless trial, held only to appease the obama administration, and the rest of the race hustlers... it never had a chance for a conviction, just harassment.
See?

You're still clinging to his pants.

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