Bush is a hero
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169116 Sep 26, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted Cotext>
I voted for Perot. Twice. He would have won if those damn Martians hadn't kidnapped his daughter, or something like that. Man, that would have been a fun administration.
i read some where in Professional Critics Commentary of a newspaper, forgot the name , rumors or not that Republicans issued death threats that scared Perot into leaving run for POTUS, who know if true or not?
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169117 Sep 26, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't forget the women.
I posted on your derriere shot, and I also suggested Sarah Palin as a candidate!
Or the hilderbeast HillarYArious, Lyndi will enjoy here also! BAHahahhahaaa She be PALINg for a refright! HEHEHEHEHE!
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169118 Sep 26, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't read far enough into the message...
"I'm afraid if we don't find more men, or women, who are willing to stand by their principles, and embarrass others into doing what's right, this country is doomed to become just another 'former' world leader."
War monger Right wingers named DR Doom AKA SATAN and its minion is you fearless leader, you even kowtow to his every madness and evil ...

BWHAHHAhaaaa
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169119 Sep 26, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
I see Jesse Sharpton (or is it Al Jackson) is back in business ...
Watch ?

Bhahhhaaa
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169120 Sep 26, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Is this a hate crime?
Greenville Wal-Mart Shooter Picked Victims By Race
http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/09/25/gree...
Or this?
The 70-Year-Old Man Beaten Unprovoked in 7-Eleven Parking Lot Has Died
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/26/th...
Alot of Crime around them Box stores and chains... statistical police reports many crimes in neighborhood with these Chain stores open , a haven for crime... I DON'T SHOP at these low-end chains and its bad for Neighborhood it kills Mom and Pop Stores...
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169121 Sep 26, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I gladly cast my vote for Mitt Romney. He may have been a tad weak on some conservative values, but I was voting for his economic experience and knowledge, and that, to me, he was a very decent person.
I also voted for John McCain, partly because of his honorable military service to our country, but mostly because I saw obama as a disaster to our country, a premonition that has proven itself to be oh so true... and much worse than I had envisioned. However, even as bad as I thought obama was for our country, I still had to hold my nose as I pulled the lever for McCain... and he's only gotten worse.
Authoritarians like you love Megalomanics and Pyscopathic leaders, no wonder our Us in deep doo doo! You mentally challenged grunter! MwBHAHAHahaaa

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169122 Sep 26, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Hip.
Cruz was right. Cost is the problem. And returning to your great-grandmas day is one of the answers. A big one. We should be dealing directly with our doctors. No middle-man. None. A sack of potatoes, a couple of squirrels as you've said. Every intermediary that enters that relationship does so with their hand out. And they don't want to shake.
*!sputter!* Wha!? What's this? A sober, thoughtful, rational response, devoid of ad hominems and broad-brush labeling? This is topix, fella, not debate.com . Our model was set by the SNL debate team - it should always begin with, "Jane, you ignorant slut!"

Ok, fine. Cruz is right, kinda. Since he didn't choose to use 5 minutes out of the 1260 he had to elaborate, I'm afraid what I heard was the same vague can-kicking-down-the-road we've gotten for 40+ years.

But you're more right than Cruz. Cost-containment is key. Surely you agree that health-care has made great advances since 1893 (the year off Grama's birth), and is likewise far more complex than 100 years ago. I believe that people have a right to basic health-care access without bankrupting the future. It's not a bit of hyperbole to say that it is a crime against humanity that a hc professional can take a two-week vacation on another person's life-savings.

At the same time, I'll easily admit that a major quandary is the very presence of gov't backing, which seems to be tantamount to over-charging and abuse. The medical lobby has done a bang-up job, as hospital complexes sprawl across whole zipcodes, due largely to arcane tax incentives. I recall the itemized bill for our first child, and this was 28 years ago -$16 for two aspirin,$12 for a tongue depressor - an oversized popsicle stick! And this just for the father. ;) It's ludicrous.

So how to put the brakes on? The best idea I've heard is to be able to negotiate price as a purchasing block, under a single-payer system (something you'll note was prohibited under the Med Part D law). Obama's original plan even allowed to leave the middle-man insurance companies in place, but to limit profits on basic coverage to a set percentage of 3%, as I recall. They still were free to offer Cadillac plans for whatever price the market would bear, but at least there would be an open comparative market as opposed to the myriad Byzantine plans out there now.

But all this got - not negotiated away - but shamed away under the boos and hisses of fallacious "socialism" and "government take-over" propoganda.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#169123 Sep 26, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Authoritarians like you love Megalomanics and Pyscopathic leaders, no wonder our Us in deep doo doo! You mentally challenged grunter! MwBHAHAHahaaa
Exactly.

It's the authoritarian personality.

Dick Cheney is the perfect example.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169124 Sep 26, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't forget the women.
I posted on your derriere shot, and I also suggested Sarah Palin as a candidate!
Dude.
You're reminding me of Pip.
"PLease, sir...may I have some more??"

Did you grow gills too?

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169125 Sep 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>*!sputter!* Wha!? What's this? A sober, thoughtful, rational response, devoid of ad hominems and broad-brush labeling? This is topix, fella, not debate.com . Our model was set by the SNL debate team - it should always begin with, "Jane, you ignorant slut!"
Ok, fine. Cruz is right, kinda. Since he didn't choose to use 5 minutes out of the 1260 he had to elaborate, I'm afraid what I heard was the same vague can-kicking-down-the-road we've gotten for 40+ years.
But you're more right than Cruz. Cost-containment is key. Surely you agree that health-care has made great advances since 1893 (the year off Grama's birth), and is likewise far more complex than 100 years ago. I believe that people have a right to basic health-care access without bankrupting the future. It's not a bit of hyperbole to say that it is a crime against humanity that a hc professional can take a two-week vacation on another person's life-savings.
At the same time, I'll easily admit that a major quandary is the very presence of gov't backing, which seems to be tantamount to over-charging and abuse. The medical lobby has done a bang-up job, as hospital complexes sprawl across whole zipcodes, due largely to arcane tax incentives. I recall the itemized bill for our first child, and this was 28 years ago -$16 for two aspirin,$12 for a tongue depressor - an oversized popsicle stick! And this just for the father. ;) It's ludicrous.
We (husband and I) talked about this last night. The middlemen are killing us. As a provider I am aware of even more middle men than can be imagined. There is a who slew of "professionals" out there determining if you really "need" a procedure, if you are cheating the company, if the doctor is really providing what he says he is and if the place you work meets all the requirements. Now I know we have to have those things looked at and they are jobs after all. But Medicare really has a bunch of these people and in my estimation have done a very bad job of stopping the fraud. They pick on little stuff like whether you dotted you i's and miss the big stuff. Anyway...thought it fit here.
I'm big on everyone having hospitalization and then health savings accounts for regular care. I am so very sure that Obamacare is not going to work and you know I know what's in it and I know what will send cost through the roof.

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Location hidden

#169126 Sep 26, 2013
Sorry, Hip, forgot to say I cut your post off to make room.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169127 Sep 26, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
That 'conservative light republican candidate' gave it his all and he gave Obama one a he$$ of a run. If you want to find someone to slap around to blame for Obamcare, I suggest you go find someone who voted for Obama and slap him. But knocking the crap out of both McCain and Romney who actually had the cojones to to take him on don't deserve this.
Your comments bobin make me wonder who the real rino is here.
Indeed.

I wrote this out of frustration a while back, and I wonder that exact thing, all the time, about lots of folks.

Who are the real RINO’s?
Conservatives used to be concerned with CONSERVING things, like energy, a strong international reputation, tax dollars, and the Middle Class. When I became a member of the Republican party in 1983, to be Republican meant something very different than it means today. Back then, conservatives were more interested in eliminating government waste, than in eliminating the social safety net, and Public Education. More concerned with making things work, than with making things difficult. Way more interested in whether or not people had jobs, than whether or not people had same-sex lovers. More interested in shrinking the size of one’s tax bill, than in amassing converts. More invested in America, and less invested overseas. More concerned with growing the working class, and less concerned with busting the unions. And we cared more about how well we were caring for our kids, rather than obsessing about whether or not we had them in the first place.

Today’s Republicans are not conservatives…They are more invested in broadening exports, than they are in broadening the American Middle Class. They are more concerned with what goes on in our bedrooms, than what goes on in our groundwater. They are more interested in making women justify our choices, than they are in making or keeping wellness affordable. Most egregious: They are more interested in removing or restricting our rights, than in recognizing them.

I was proud to be a Republican once…but that was a long time ago. If a RINO is a Republican in name only, it’s because being Republican no longer means being conservative. It means being hypocritical. It means being profligate with upward wealth redistribution, and parsimonious with the needy. It means blaming the victims, and rewarding the perps. It means encouraging the privatization of profits, while socializing risk. It means being judgmental, and self-righteous, and greedy. In my book, that’s a RINO. But if that’s what a ‘Republican’ is these days, I think it's time for a change.

End rant.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169128 Sep 26, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Dude.
You're reminding me of Pip.
"PLease, sir...may I have some more??"
Did you grow gills too?
Uh, that was Oliver, dudette. Pip was like, "Treat me bad. Oh yeah, I like it like that."

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#169129 Sep 26, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't believe that people actually believed it.
You can't believe Obama was duly elected, either.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169130 Sep 26, 2013
lisw wrote:
Sorry, Hip, forgot to say I cut your post off to make room.
Don't mention it. It was in-flow and on-topic, so it's all good. I think there might be a big misunderstanding about clipping posts. I said something about that years ago (jeez we need to get a life;) and apparently several thought I meant it was rude to clip a post, which would be silly and petty. What I meant was a situation where one hyper-focuses on a single sentence out of an entire post (and I used to use all my allotted characters), off-ramps with that in a whole different direction, at the same managing to avoid acknowledging - not even agree, but just a nod - the larger point one tried to make. That, I believe is not only rude but intellectually dishonest. And it rarely happens. Anymore;)

So, anyway, tanx. HipG

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#169131 Sep 26, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, Hip.
Cruz was right. Cost is the problem. And returning to your great-grandmas day is one of the answers. A big one. We should be dealing directly with our doctors. No middle-man. None. A sack of potatoes, a couple of squirrels as you've said. Every intermediary that enters that relationship does so with their hand out. And they don't want to shake.
What is a newly-graduated medical doctor, with $100K in student loan debt, supposed to do with a sack of squirrels?

Used to be, that communities pooled resources, and sent the best and brightest to medical school, in exchange for 'X' number of years in service to that community. Worked pretty well.

But that takes longer than we have, since most communities have been letting the Federal Government provide their best and brightest with medical educations (and student loan debt) for the last 70 years. We don't have doctors who grew up with their patients anymore - no, now we have doctors from foreign countries, whose medical schools are nowhere NEAR as expensive as ours, and who are here to make a ton of money and take it BACK to their communities of origin. Lots of them make a ton of money from the US Federal government. What do they care who it comes from, as long as it spends? They don't accept squirrels as payment. Kinda hard to spend a squirrel, or a potato for that matter...

The ACA has already been implemented, and is actually meeting with a great deal of appreciation in many quarters - yes, most folks who don't like it, are the ones who are seeing their premiums rise, but when the exchanges start to be implemented, and they are able to get BETTER insurance, at BETTER prices than they're currently on the hook for, I suspect that will change.

RINOs are terrified of change in this direction: Oh the horror!! People are becoming more reliant on the Government!! Whatever shall we do????"

We shall promote the general welfare, that's what.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169132 Sep 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, that was Oliver, dudette. Pip was like, "Treat me bad. Oh yeah, I like it like that."
Yeah, you right...but 'Pip' was so apropos....

*wicked Ernie laugh...*

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169133 Sep 26, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed.
I wrote this out of frustration a while back, and I wonder that exact thing, all the time, about lots of folks.
Who are the real RINO’s?
Conservatives used to be concerned with CONSERVING things, like energy, a strong international reputation, tax dollars, and the Middle Class. When I became a member of the Republican party in 1983, to be Republican meant something very different than it means today. Back then, conservatives were more interested in eliminating government waste, than in eliminating the social safety net, and Public Education. More concerned with making things work, than with making things difficult. Way more interested in whether or not people had jobs, than whether or not people had same-sex lovers. More interested in shrinking the size of one’s tax bill, than in amassing converts. More invested in America, and less invested overseas. More concerned with growing the working class, and less concerned with busting the unions. And we cared more about how well we were caring for our kids, rather than obsessing about whether or not we had them in the first place.

Today’s Republicans are not conservatives…They are more invested in broadening exports, than they are in broadening the American Middle Class. They are more concerned with what goes on in our bedrooms, than what goes on in our groundwater. They are more interested in making women justify our choices, than they are in making or keeping wellness affordable. Most egregious: They are more interested in removing or restricting our rights, than in recognizing them.

I was proud to be a Republican once…but that was a long time ago. If a RINO is a Republican in name only, it’s because being Republican no longer means being conservative. It means being hypocritical. It means being profligate with upward wealth redistribution, and parsimonious with the needy. It means blaming the victims, and rewarding the perps. It means encouraging the privatization of profits, while socializing risk. It means being judgmental, and self-righteous, and greedy. In my book, that’s a RINO. But if that’s what a ‘Republican’ is these days, I think it's time for a change.
End rant.
Hear! Hear!

Lyndi wrote something along this line right about then too which I think was on the mark. If Rs want to get back in the game, they're going to have to quit pandering to every squeaky wheel out there and recall that the center is still where it's at. People here and elsewhere thrive on assigning labels to each other. I guess it's easier then to actually listen and think, and boring stuff like that. So, I've been assigned to the "liberal" bench. Ok, whatever. I know Reagan and the neocons made that a dirty word, but hey I've always been most comfortable on the outside laughing in.

What these political newbies don't seem to know is that it's the political spectrum that's been pulled so far to the right of center - I haven't moved. As we know, Reagan couldn't get past a primary nowadays. Sure, this "trickle-down" voodoo math got it's start under him, but he at least had the integrity to realize by his 6th or 7th year that he'd been sold a bill of goods, that revenue was NOT increasing and the deficit was spiraling out of control, so he tried to back off on some of the worst effects with his "revenue enhancements" (cos he sure wasn't going to "raise taxes"). Unfortunately by then Greenspan was hailed an economic god, and Pandora couldn't get the all bees back in the box.

So yeah, anyway, right on. I would dearly love to see the Republican Party get back closer to the center and take an active part in the process again. Ideologues, right and left, are anathema to a healthy democracy. We need the old-school Republican pragmatism just as much as we need the Democratic idealism, to augment and balance each other out, and move this country forward once again as both a progressive and at the same time, stable nation.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169134 Sep 26, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, you right...but 'Pip' was so apropos....
*wicked Ernie laugh...*
>grin< yuuup..

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#169135 Sep 26, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>We (husband and I) talked about this last night. The middlemen are killing us. As a provider I am aware of even more middle men than can be imagined. There is a who slew of "professionals" out there determining if you really "need" a procedure, if you are cheating the company, if the doctor is really providing what he says he is and if the place you work meets all the requirements. Now I know we have to have those things looked at and they are jobs after all. But Medicare really has a bunch of these people and in my estimation have done a very bad job of stopping the fraud. They pick on little stuff like whether you dotted you i's and miss the big stuff. Anyway...thought it fit here.
I'm big on everyone having hospitalization and then health savings accounts for regular care. I am so very sure that Obamacare is not going to work and you know I know what's in it and I know what will send cost through the roof.
I think we all agree that the profiteers, aka middleman, are run amok. But the President's original proposal would have sharply curtailed their actions. That's the very part that got the lobbies cranking out the email alerts by the millions crying "goverment takeover!". At no point did Obama's plan eliminate private enterprise - it merely sought to give equal power where it doesn't exist - with the patient, by being able to negotiate prices as one group. This is no different than the attractiveness of group plans now, except without the sky's-the-limit profiteering due to being splintered into thousands of little group and individual plans across 50 states.

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