HipGnozizzz

Altona, IL

#168987 Sep 24, 2013
Can't decide which was more impressive about Cruz's faux-filibuster - his moving rendition of Green Eggs and Ham, or the way he managed to shoe-horn a Nazi reference in.

Since: Apr 07

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#168988 Sep 24, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
From the WGY home page:
An open letter to parents in Rensselaer County
What planet do you live on?
Last week, word got out that your children had broken into a home in Stephentown and threw a party. More than 300 of them partied and drunkenly smashed windows, urinated on the floors, stood on tables, punched holes in the ceiling and stole a statue that was part of a memorial for the owner’s stillborn grandson. Oh, it gets better. Before, during and after the party, they tweeted about it and posted pictures of themselves engaged in this behavior.
Way to go.

The house is owned by former NFL player Brian Holloway. It is his second residence, paid for in part by his Super Bowl bonus. He lives in Florida and the Stephentown house is on the market. He watched this unfold online while at his home in Florida. Instead of demanding the arrest of your kids, he instead created a website, www.helpmesave300.com where he reposted their photos, identified the people involved, and called for ways to reach out to young people and show them that there are better ways to spend their time than drinking, drugs and vandalism.

He is a better person than I would have been in that position. It takes class and compassion to see beyond the urine stained carpets, broken windows, damaged walls and blatant disrespect to reach out to your kids. He even offered to welcome these derelicts back to his house for a picnic, where they would work together to make repairs and clean up the mess they left behind. I don’t know that the rest of us would have been able to react the same way.
And one kid showed up. One, out of the 300 teens who were there.
Instead of dragging your kids back to apologize and clean up the mess, you lashed out at Brian Holloway, threatened to firebomb his house, and are now planning to sue him. For what? For identifying your kids online. Well guess what? Your little Johnny did that himself the minute he tweeted that iPhone photo standing on the dining room table, holding a red solo cup filled with beer.

Look, I don’t blame you for what your kids did. Heck, I don’t even really blame them. Teens will be teens, and they do stupid things sometimes. We’ve all been there. It’s not fair to judge parents on the mistakes their kids make. It is how you handle that behavior afterwards that reflects on you as a parent.

Instead of sitting little Johnny down and reminding him that what he did is not acceptable and then dragging him by the collar to apologize to Mr. Holloway, you chose instead to harass and threaten the victim. Let’s not forget here, your child victimized this man by destroying his home. How dare you respond with anything other than regret, embarrassment, and a sincere apology instead of righteous indignation, threats of violence and lawsuits.

Parents like you are responsible for an entire generation that expects the world handed to them, because you have given it to them all along. Instead of teaching your kids to work hard and earn things, you give a trophy to every kid in youth sports and then hand them an iPhone in middle school. You are the parents screaming through the fence at the Little League umpire instead of teaching good sportsmanship. You are the ones criticizing the teacher instead of realizing they just want to help your child learn.

Can you please just step back and look at what you are doing to your kids? This is the generation that will grow up to lead our country and make decisions regarding our lives. I hope none of them are YOUR children.
-Kelly
Wow. I hadn't heard this before, maybe because I don't keep up with football or football players. I don't know how Mr. Holloway could have been so gracious to these young vandals, how all but one showed not the slightest sense of shame, and most of all I cannot comprehend the parents that would make excuses for kids who did this kind of thing.

Thanks for posting it, Kat.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#168989 Sep 24, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>It's not republican or democrat. I have a theory about what's happened to our kids. The greatest generation wanted their kids to have more than they did so they raised them in the strictest sense with almost a demand to make it. Result was the yuppie generation who thought their parents were too tough on them and vowed to make things easier going on their kids.
Result was a dependent generation that needed their parents to get the things they were used to without having to work for it. Now these teens are the kids of those dependent adults and have no boundaries or accountability at all. I'm not saying this is true of all families but it sure seems to be a trend.

Now I have to add that these are the youth that Obama appeals to. It is a parenting style they're used to, being taken care of without having to work.
You know, that's roughly what I think myself, Lis. My dad, on the other hand, blames it all on Dr. Spock :)
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168990 Sep 25, 2013
No Brief Encounter
By: MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 24, 2013

The man formerly hailed as a messiah was having a bad day.


The Iranians snubbed him. The Brazilians upbraided him. Ted Cruz faux-filibustered him. And you just know that, behind the scenes, the Russians were messing with him.

At the end of a long, hard day at the United Nations, he escaped into the sweaty and freighted embrace of the Clintons, who had to explain and defend the president’s own health care plan for him at their global initiative conference/Hillary 2016 pep rally. The choreography of diplomacy danced around the tantalizing possibility of a historic handshake that could end three decades of poison.(Even though the last climactic clasp, between Yitzhak Rabin and Yasir Arafat, disappointingly proved that sometimes a handshake is just a handshake.)

With the welcome exit of the provincial Iranian fruitbat, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, could the country W. declared part of the “axis of evil” reach out to the country smeared as the “Great Satan” by Ayatollah Khomeini? Obama administration officials at the U.N. on Tuesday explained to reporters that there would not be a bilateral between President Obama and President Hassan Rouhani of Iran, or any sort of “formal meeting.”

“We’re not prepared for heads of state to negotiate or presidents to negotiate on the nuclear issue,” an official said, speaking on background. An “encounter” would be permissible. Not a long one, but an “informal, brief encounter.”

“So,” a reporter asked,“like a handshake?”

“Yes, that type of thing,” the official replied.“Exactly. On the margins here.”

Except that, after the White House spent a week suggesting that there could be a press-the-flesh moment, Rouhani snubbed Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/opinion/dow...

Pitiful.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168991 Sep 25, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
I like waffles. And asses. Sounds like a winning combo.
I can overlook the tattoo.
No tattoo.
http://www.interestment.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168992 Sep 25, 2013
HipGnozizzz wrote:
Can't decide which was more impressive about Cruz's faux-filibuster - his moving rendition of Green Eggs and Ham, or the way he managed to shoe-horn a Nazi reference in.
It IS a fake filbuster but I was still kind of hoping he'd read the whole Affordable Care Act outloud so Pelosi can find out what's in it. But on second thought, what would be the point of that? She doesn't need to know what's in it because she and the rest of congress have been granted a presidential pardon and don't have to use it.
It's pretty obnoxious that the American people have to put up with this psycho healthcare plan but Congress doesn't. But it does makes one wonder. If it's so darn good, why in the world would they opt out?

(((BOING)))
I've got it! It isn't any good and they know it!

==
Back to the filibuster. Can people wear a Depends adult diaper when they do this or is that against the rules?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168993 Sep 25, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
You used a Texas phrase, I hope you didn't have Ted Cruz in mind. He's doing what he thinks is right, knowing that so doing will probably cost him any party support when it comes to his re-election.
He's copycatting Rand Paul's moment on center stage with the drone strikes filibuster which gave him temporary top billing among republicans and a whole bunch of disco lights.

This probably isn't going to stop Obamacare and it's probably not going to shut down the government but just in case, if it does shut down government, you might want to duck.
I think it's just another highwire walk. Tea party members might have glory, glory hallelugah playing in their heads every time they see the guy for awhile but I'm pretty sure when the show's over and it's discovered that the hand wringing anticipation was all for naught, it'll just end with a soft thud. I do hope he isn't carried out of there on a stretcher with an IV stuck in his arm because everyone is a little tired of martyrs and it makes it just too easy for our late night comdedians.


How long has he been a senator? 9 months?
I think he just beat Obama's record for thinking he knows everything and is ready for the big leagues.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#168994 Sep 25, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
He's copycatting Rand Paul's moment on center stage with the drone strikes filibuster which gave him temporary top billing among republicans and a whole bunch of disco lights.
This probably isn't going to stop Obamacare and it's probably not going to shut down the government but just in case, if it does shut down government, you might want to duck.
I think it's just another highwire walk. Tea party members might have glory, glory hallelugah playing in their heads every time they see the guy for awhile but I'm pretty sure when the show's over and it's discovered that the hand wringing anticipation was all for naught, it'll just end with a soft thud. I do hope he isn't carried out of there on a stretcher with an IV stuck in his arm because everyone is a little tired of martyrs and it makes it just too easy for our late night comdedians.
How long has he been a senator? 9 months?
I think he just beat Obama's record for thinking he knows everything and is ready for the big leagues.
Just who are the big leagues Lyndi, McCain, Pelosi, Reid, and all the others that have been at this so long that they are just embalmed? They walk and they talk but they don't think and they sure don't care what happens to the american people. If Obama with his total lack of experience was in the least bit consistent he might be a success today. But he's not only inexperienced he's selfish and somewhat crooked.
I don't know for sure what I think of Cruz yet , but he is using a legal, last ditch effort to get rid of that abominable healthcare law.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#168995 Sep 25, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Like this?
When the Founders wrote the Constitution, they intended to signify the importance and power of each branch of government in the order that the powers are granted. The Founders saw the legislative branch as the most powerful of the three with the executive being weaker and the judicial branch being the weakest. It was the intention of the Founders for the judicial branch to serve as a final backstop against oversteps of government power.
Not thinking many in government at this time seem to be such a fan. Like the dear leader that makes end runs around other parts of our government because he just knows whats best. Example epa madness.
How many times have you seen me rail bitterly (oh lis is gonna love that one) against the executive power boost gained with the signing of the 'Patriot Act' and the NDAA? Bunches, that's how many. I'm not a fan of our current President or his policies with regard to expansion of Executive power - any more than you are. But Congress has gone insane. JMO

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#168996 Sep 25, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
He's copycatting Rand Paul's moment on center stage with the drone strikes filibuster which gave him temporary top billing among republicans and a whole bunch of disco lights.
This probably isn't going to stop Obamacare and it's probably not going to shut down the government but just in case, if it does shut down government, you might want to duck.
I think it's just another highwire walk. Tea party members might have glory, glory hallelugah playing in their heads every time they see the guy for awhile but I'm pretty sure when the show's over and it's discovered that the hand wringing anticipation was all for naught, it'll just end with a soft thud. I do hope he isn't carried out of there on a stretcher with an IV stuck in his arm because everyone is a little tired of martyrs and it makes it just too easy for our late night comdedians.
How long has he been a senator? 9 months?
I think he just beat Obama's record for thinking he knows everything and is ready for the big leagues.
Cruz beat obama's knowledge on his first day in office, and obama's been in office for almost five years.

We're running out of options to kill obamacare. It's such a disaster we should be trying every angle.

At least Senator Cruz hasn't surrendered to Harry Reid, without a fight, unlike McLame and some other senior Republicans.

BTW, what's their plan for killing obamacare?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#168997 Sep 25, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Cruz beat obama's knowledge on his first day in office, and obama's been in office for almost five years.
We're running out of options to kill obamacare. It's such a disaster we should be trying every angle.
At least Senator Cruz hasn't surrendered to Harry Reid, without a fight, unlike McLame and some other senior Republicans.
BTW, what's their plan for killing obamacare?
Enjoy:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowit... (172)
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168998 Sep 25, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Cruz beat obama's knowledge on his first day in office, and obama's been in office for almost five years.
We're running out of options to kill obamacare. It's such a disaster we should be trying every angle.
At least Senator Cruz hasn't surrendered to Harry Reid, without a fight, unlike McLame and some other senior Republicans.
BTW, what's their plan for killing obamacare?
"Republican Senator Tom Coburn, isn’t much of a fan of the plan being pushed by some of his fellow Republicans to shutdown the government unless the President’s health care plan is defunded:

In a phone interview from his home state of Oklahoma, Coburn slammed a dozen fellow Republican senators who have signed a pledge not to vote for any continuing resolution or appropriations bill that funds Obamacare, which is set to go fully into effect on January 1, 2014.“I’d love to defund it,” said Coburn, a physician who has opposed the president’s national health care scheme from the beginning.“I’d be leading the charge if I thought this would work. But it will not work.”

Coburn’s case against the proposal is simple: Republicans, having failed to win control of the White House and Senate in 2012, do not have the votes to cut off Obamacare funding. Given that, he sees the defunding proposal as not just wrongheaded but also an effort to mislead conservatives across the country who long to see Republicans stop Obamacare.“The worst thing is being dishonest with your base about what you can accomplish, ginning everybody up and then creating disappointment,” Coburn said.“It’s a terribly dangerous and not successful strategy.”

“You’re going to set an expectation among the conservatives in our party that we can achieve something that we’re not able to achieve,” Coburn continued.“It’s not an achievable strategy. It’s creating the false impression that you can do something when you can’t. And it’s dishonest.”

Even though Republicans don’t have the votes to defund Obamacare, they do have the power, if they choose, to bring the government to a halt. Coburn sees that as a disastrous possible result of the plan.“You’re not going to stop the funding, but what you will do is shut down the government,” he said.“Among that group of senators that has been considering this, I was the only one who was here for that,” a reference to the government shutdowns of 1995 and 1996, when Coburn was a member of the House.“The president is never going to sign a bill defunding Obamacare. Do you think he’s going to cave?”

“The strategy that has been laid out is a good way for Republicans to lose the House.”

=====
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#168999 Sep 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Just who are the big leagues Lyndi, McCain, Pelosi, Reid, and all the others that have been at this so long that they are just embalmed? They walk and they talk but they don't think and they sure don't care what happens to the american people. If Obama with his total lack of experience was in the least bit consistent he might be a success today. But he's not only inexperienced he's selfish and somewhat crooked.
I don't know for sure what I think of Cruz yet , but he is using a legal, last ditch effort to get rid of that abominable healthcare law.
I think it would have been better to chip away at the law bit by bit by disassembling it. Get rid of the individual mandate part or the part where subsidies are provided based on an "honor system" which is a joke or the employer mandate, and pretty much everyone is jumpy over it's enforcement by the IRS. Take the flipping thing apart little by little until it collapses. >That< I think has/had a better chance of getting some traction than this "last ditch" effort by Ted Cruz.
I'm not ever opposed to fighting for a lost cause except when I don't have a plausible workable plan that has a prayer of succeeding.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#169000 Sep 25, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>

At least Senator Cruz hasn't surrendered to Harry Reid, without a fight
No, you're right. He didn't surrender. He spoke for 20+ hours and figuratively impaled himself in the senate and collapsed in a heap onto the floor. Harry Reid has now figuratively stepped effortlessly over the crumpled body of Sen. Cruz, taken back the podium and we can listen some more to that creepy raspy rodent-like whisper of his, while he calls republicans anarchists like he did yesterday.

How exactly has this made things better?

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#169001 Sep 25, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it would have been better to chip away at the law bit by bit by disassembling it. Get rid of the individual mandate part or the part where subsidies are provided based on an "honor system" which is a joke or the employer mandate, and pretty much everyone is jumpy over it's enforcement by the IRS. Take the flipping thing apart little by little until it collapses. >That< I think has/had a better chance of getting some traction than this "last ditch" effort by Ted Cruz.
I'm not ever opposed to fighting for a lost cause except when I don't have a plausible workable plan that has a prayer of succeeding.
They have chipped away at it. Over the last few months at least they have revealed that Obama lied about people keeping their doctors and insurance, that he has made deals with all the people he criticizes, that he has said congress does not need to be subject to this great law. The filibuster is a protest pure and simple of all the lies and manipulations. When did we quit using protest to try to bring about change? If Cruz leads the way in protest and the circuits were lit up all through it by people trying to tell their senators, "get rid of it" than the effort was worth it for its historic relevance at least. If the law goes through and it is a disaster, people will remember who fought for them. You're saying that all the protests that were ever made that seemed futile, were for nothing.
UidiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#169002 Sep 25, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
A corrupted Bi-partisanShop-of-horror Collorabative agendas , NICE! MWBHAHAHAHAHaa

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#169003 Sep 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>They have chipped away at it. Over the last few months at least they have revealed that Obama lied about people keeping their doctors and insurance, that he has made deals with all the people he criticizes, that he has said congress does not need to be subject to this great law. The filibuster is a protest pure and simple of all the lies and manipulations. When did we quit using protest to try to bring about change? If Cruz leads the way in protest and the circuits were lit up all through it by people trying to tell their senators, "get rid of it" than the effort was worth it for its historic relevance at least. If the law goes through and it is a disaster, people will remember who fought for them. You're saying that all the protests that were ever made that seemed futile, were for nothing.
The law already went through....it passed nearly 4 years ago.

You're saying that all the protests against things which weren't abolished, were for nothing.
Lost In Transition

United States

#169004 Sep 25, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you're right. He didn't surrender. He spoke for 20+ hours and figuratively impaled himself in the senate and collapsed in a heap onto the floor. Harry Reid has now figuratively stepped effortlessly over the crumpled body of Sen. Cruz, taken back the podium and we can listen some more to that creepy raspy rodent-like whisper of his, while he calls republicans anarchists like he did yesterday.
How exactly has this made things better?
It has kept bad policy front and center. It has pushed that policy onto news source's front pages and prime time broadcasts that would normally have never covered it. They'll poke fun of Paul or Cruz, have themselves a regular giggle fest, but they won't be able to seperate them from the policy in question. Cruz and the others can't stop obamacare, and I'm sure they know it. But they can keep it in peoples line of sight. And get a lot of free advertising from some pretty unusual sources in the process. I just hope they don't delay the personal mandate. Let the Walgreens, the Fed Ex's, the Ciscos, Dardens, Home Depots and countless others continue to dump employees into the exchanges. Let this thing play out on a personal basis. As John Roberts said in his ruling, sometimes the people need to realize that their votes carry consequences.
Lost In Transition

United States

#169005 Sep 25, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
Catcher said you had a big "R" on your butt.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm gonna keep looking.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#169006 Sep 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I think that conservatives and liberals are human beings.
I think that avoiding responsibility, playing the victim, and a disproportionate sense of entitlement are human failings, and human failings don't have/cannot be associated with a political ideology.

I understand that there are well paid entertainers and their parrots (not to mention elected officials) who make a living peddling the notion that human failings are all on the other side or that the other is responsible for everything wrong with society.
I don't buy it. I don't buy it from people who market that crap to liberals or the ones who peddle it to conservatives.

So ... you can take the fact that I'm not giving a direct answer to your question any way you want to. The playbook (and this part is used by both sides) requires that you insinuate that I know you're speaking THE TRUTH, but am avoiding answering because it would make my side look bad.

That's B.S. I'm not answering your question because the question itself is phony. It's based the ridiculous assumption that human failings are ideological.
Willie, you're right that avoiding responsibility, playing the victim, and a disproportionate sense of entitlement are HUMAN failings, as opposed to ideological ones. That's been going on literally since Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

But you are mistaken when you say that these particular human failings "don't have/cannot be associated with a political ideology." That's because in the case of America today and of roughly the last 20 years, a particular political ideology has been deliberately ENCOURAGING these human failings. And I'm sorry, Willie, but there's no excuse for that.

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