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Pernrider wrote:
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I would not vote before I'd have voted for Obama. McCain made/makes me ill but no way would I have ever pulled that lever for Obama.
Pin a cookie on you! Do you prefer oatmeal, or pfeffernuise?

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If you don't vote, you shouldn't bitch.

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BobinTX wrote:
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Unfortunately, Travon resorted to violence, and attacked Mr. Zimmerman, who was faithfully performing his neighborhood watch duties, from ambush.
Two points of self-serving misinformation here:

1. Zimmerman was NOT "...faithfully performing his neighborhood watch duties." From the Sanford PD Neighborhood Watch Manual: "What you will
not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or
apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law
enforcement agency." (p.3) and "Do not take any risks to prevent a
crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department." (p.15) He was advised not to follow, and did so anyway.

Zimmerman was in fact acting as an armed vigilante. He's free, so why white-wash what happened?

2...."from ambush"? Here you've decided to choose Zimmerman's story of being jumped from ambush, as opposed to Zimmerman's alternate (and videotaped) story of the boy walking down the sidewalk.
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>I think Mr. Zimmerman showed remarkable restraint with his weapon, even though he was being savagely beaten by his attacker.
Restraint? He shot the boy point-blank in the heart. Where's the restraint, because he didn't pistol-whip the body as well?

Again, you've selected that which serves your prejudice. Zimmerman was punched, no doubt. According to expert forensic testimony, Zimmerman was far from being "savagely beaten." He had a bloody nose, and a couple scrapes to his head from wrestling on the ground. I will concede, though, that to a wimp that might qualify as a "savage beating".
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>However, once Travon saw the weapon, and reached for it, Mr. Zimmerman was forced to use the weapon to defend his life.
Not so much. Again you hyper-select this, and disregard that. According to Zimmerman, on video, his weapon was on his >right rear hip<.

According to eyewitnesses, at one point Zimmerman was on top. We know that eventually Martin was on top. What we have here is a typical relatively even match where they are grappling around with first one and then the other on top. The only difference being one was a screaming pussy with a concealed weapon.

When Martin was on top, Zimmerman, by his own words, was wriggling around to the point that the boy's knees were up to Zimmerman's armpit. This would place the weapon >behind< Martin, AND at least partially behind Zimmerman's right hip. According to this scenario, provided by Zimmerman himself, it is most plausible that the first time Martin saw the weapon was when Zimmerman reached for it.

Among the several failures of the prosecution, they utterly failed to present the question as to why, if the fight took place in the one spot as described by Zimmerman, why was Martin's dead body lying fifteen feet away from that spot? Obviously much more went on in that tragic 13 minutes than Zimmerman's testimony chose to reveal.
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>End of story.
Not so much. The beginning of the story is a silent creep watching and then following a boy walking home in the rain at night. The end of the story is a boy being killed for standing his ground against a nervous coward with a gun on a dark rainy night. There's a reason that the initial lead investigator wanted to bring manslaughter charges that night. Unfortunately he was over-ridden by superiors.

But it probably didn't matter. The prosecution had to prove that Zimmerman had prior malicious intent. I don't think he did. The defense only had to demonstrate that Zimmerman feared for his life. It was obvious he was fearful, from the moment he rolled up his car window rather than simply identify himself and ask the boy what he was doing. The fault lies in the ambiguous application of "Stand Your Ground" law, which had he lived, could have been the boy's defense equally.

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Law enforcement types, cops, sheriffs, prison guards, tend to be Republicans--authoritarian personality.
I know.

Teachers in Red states tend to be authoritarian too - they keep their jobs longer that way - regardless of their teaching skills. As long as the kids are cowed and quiet, and the classwork gets done, the actual quality of learning they accomplish is pretty much irrelevant.

Sad.

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HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Two points of self-serving misinformation here:
1. Zimmerman was NOT "...faithfully performing his neighborhood watch duties." From the Sanford PD Neighborhood Watch Manual: "What you will
not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or
apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law
enforcement agency." (p.3) and "Do not take any risks to prevent a
crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department." (p.15) He was advised not to follow, and did so anyway.
Zimmerman was in fact acting as an armed vigilante. He's free, so why white-wash what happened?
2...."from ambush"? Here you've decided to choose Zimmerman's story of being jumped from ambush, as opposed to Zimmerman's alternate (and videotaped) story of the boy walking down the sidewalk.
<quoted text>Restraint? He shot the boy point-blank in the heart. Where's the restraint, because he didn't pistol-whip the body as well?
Again, you've selected that which serves your prejudice. Zimmerman was punched, no doubt. According to expert forensic testimony, Zimmerman was far from being "savagely beaten." He had a bloody nose, and a couple scrapes to his head from wrestling on the ground. I will concede, though, that to a wimp that might qualify as a "savage beating".
<quoted text>Not so much. Again you hyper-select this, and disregard that. According to Zimmerman, on video, his weapon was on his >right rear hip<.
According to eyewitnesses, at one point Zimmerman was on top. We know that eventually Martin was on top. What we have here is a typical relatively even match where they are grappling around with first one and then the other on top. The only difference being one was a screaming pussy with a concealed weapon.
When Martin was on top, Zimmerman, by his own words, was wriggling around to the point that the boy's knees were up to Zimmerman's armpit. This would place the weapon >behind< Martin, AND at least partially behind Zimmerman's right hip. According to this scenario, provided by Zimmerman himself, it is most plausible that the first time Martin saw the weapon was when Zimmerman reached for it.
Among the several failures of the prosecution, they utterly failed to present the question as to why, if the fight took place in the one spot as described by Zimmerman, why was Martin's dead body lying fifteen feet away from that spot? Obviously much more went on in that tragic 13 minutes than Zimmerman's testimony chose to reveal.
<quoted text>Not so much. The beginning of the story is a silent creep watching and then following a boy walking home in the rain at night. The end of the story is a boy being killed for standing his ground against a nervous coward with a gun on a dark rainy night. There's a reason that the initial lead investigator wanted to bring manslaughter charges that night. Unfortunately he was over-ridden by superiors.
But it probably didn't matter. The prosecution had to prove that Zimmerman had prior malicious intent. I don't think he did. The defense only had to demonstrate that Zimmerman feared for his life. It was obvious he was fearful, from the moment he rolled up his car window rather than simply identify himself and ask the boy what he was doing. The fault lies in the ambiguous application of "Stand Your Ground" law, which had he lived, could have been the boy's defense equally.
There you go again, with the inconvenient facts, Hip. You pesky little skeeter, you...

I keep trying to tell you, they're ALLERGIC to those, but you keep spooning them up anyhow....

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>There you go again, with the inconvenient facts, Hip. You pesky little skeeter, you...
I keep trying to tell you, they're ALLERGIC to those, but you keep spooning them up anyhow....
The unconscious(?) need to white-wash the acquitted whilst slurring the dead speaks volumes, I think.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>There you go again, with the inconvenient facts, Hip. You pesky little skeeter, you...
I keep trying to tell you, they're ALLERGIC to those, but you keep spooning them up anyhow....
I quit reading Hips nonsense when it became obvious he was sikply parroting mediamatters BS, as I'm sure his "facts" are in that message. Again, no reason for me to bother reading them, as I can just go to the mediamatters site, and get them firsthand.

Of course, since it's about the assailant Travon Martin, Hip probably has a lot of Al Sharpton "facts" mixed in, with a little sprinkling of Jesse Jackson.

However, I am surprised that you also disagree with the actual facts brought out in the Zimmerman trial, and with the statements of Rachael Jeanel that came out in later interviews. You're not getting your "facts" from NBC, are you?
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#166196
Aug 4, 2013
 
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I know.
Teachers in Red states tend to be authoritarian too - they keep their jobs longer that way - regardless of their teaching skills. As long as the kids are cowed and quiet, and the classwork gets done, the actual quality of learning they accomplish is pretty much irrelevant.
Sad.
Not only that most of Red States are WELFARE States.

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BobinTX wrote:
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I quit reading Hips nonsense when it became obvious he was sikply parroting mediamatters BS, as I'm sure his "facts" are in that message. Again, no reason for me to bother reading them, as I can just go to the mediamatters site, and get them firsthand.
Of course, since it's about the assailant Travon Martin, Hip probably has a lot of Al Sharpton "facts" mixed in, with a little sprinkling of Jesse Jackson.
However, I am surprised that you also disagree with the actual facts brought out in the Zimmerman trial, and with the statements of Rachael Jeanel that came out in later interviews. You're not getting your "facts" from NBC, are you?
Hear no evil, see no evil.
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Catcher1 wrote:
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Hear no evil, see no evil.
AND , Speak no evil...
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BobinTX wrote:
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I didn't vote for HW or Bob Dole, so technically, I did vote for Clinton twice.
Republicans don't have a lock on my vote, I'm an Independent. If they insist on putting up loser candidates, I'll shop elsewhere, as I have.
I can honestly say I wasn't sure who I was going to vote for in 2008 until I was in the voting booth. McCain only got my vote because I wasn't enthused with any of the third party candidates AND he had Sarah Palin as his running mate. obama didn't get my vote because he had some shady associates AND Joe Biden was his running mate,(Joe was my Senator for 36 years, so I knew what a loser he was).
Although he was weak in some areas, overall I was satisfied with George W. Bush, and gave him my vote twice. But then, he was running against AlGore and John Kerry. The Democrats made those choices EASY.
I enthusiastically voted for Mitt Romney. I thought he was exactly what our floundering obama economy needed, and, after four years, I knew what king obama was.
If the Republicans put up a quality conservative candidate, like a Dr. Benjamin Carson, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul or even Sarah Palin, not only will they get my vote, I'll knock on doors and make phone calls for them. Put up another John McCain type... I'll have to shop around.
Why you lie to Pern like thaT, YOU SUPPORT RIGHT WING AGENDAS, u NO INDEPENDENT.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Hear no evil, see no evil.
More like, hear no nonsense, see no nonsense.

But don't let me stop you from digesting more BS, by now I thought you'd be full of it. But then, you are.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I know.
Teachers in Red states tend to be authoritarian too - they keep their jobs longer that way - regardless of their teaching skills. As long as the kids are cowed and quiet, and the classwork gets done, the actual quality of learning they accomplish is pretty much irrelevant.
Sad.
You have lost your mind and you are just spewing stupidity here. Kids cowed by a teacher? LOL!

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>There you go again, with the inconvenient facts, Hip. You pesky little skeeter, you...
I keep trying to tell you, they're ALLERGIC to those, but you keep spooning them up anyhow....
You wouldn't know how to present a fact if it walked up and introduced itself.
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BobinTX wrote:
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More like, hear no nonsense, see no nonsense.
But don't let me stop you from digesting more BS, by now I thought you'd be full of it. But then, you are.
Interjecting were catcher laft off.

Seek truth, Hear the truth, Truth be told. U shills are real Hyprocrite , racist ... are ruining the US and world with your war machines.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Hear no evil, see no evil.
Did you eat that lion yet, big boy?
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I'm done replying to the idiot. It's not entertaining anymore.
Because you another ignorant undereducated US investors of wars and violence incite brothers, families, nations to wars, you kind are lowest of low on plane of humanity but war mongering barbarians inhuman slime that have no empathy for mankind.

Helen Keller, 1940


Strike against war, for without you no battles can be fought! Strike against manufacturing shrapnel and gas bombs and all other tools of murder! Strike against preparedness that means death and misery to millions of human beings! Be not dumb, obedient slaves in an army of destruction! Be heroes in an army of construction.
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Clinton, Bush and Obama: US War Crimes over Three …
www.globalresearch.ca/clinton-bush-and-obama-... ...

On Tuesday, the Constitution Project, a Washington, DC think tank, released a 600-page report by its “Task Force on Detainee Treatment” documenting decades of war ...
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Hundreds of thousands of decent people of Central and Eastern European heritage entered this country legally during the 1950s, often at the price of great personal sacrifice. But the measures undertaken by the CIA in connection with [National Security Council intelligence directives] NSC 86, NSCID 13, and NSCID 14 led to the infiltration of thousands of Waffen SS veterans and other Nazi collaborators into their communities in the United States at the same time. This in turn laid the foundation for a revival of extremist right-wing political movements inside immigrant communities in this country that continue to be active.
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BobinTX wrote:
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We do have some things in common. I couldn't bring myself to vote for HW, but I couldn't vote for Clinton either... I happily voted for Ross Perot both times.
I held my nose voting for McCain, but I just couldn't trust obama based on those he associated with. Turns out, I was right about both of them.
u lied you love warriors presidents. yea, right you vote for Ross . Clinton is also another puppet.
This is you McCain!

Senator John McCain, arguing that Vietnam was the kind of war that required its participants to hate the enemy

The Nation magazine, July 9, 2001, p18


I hated my enemies even before they held me captive because hate sustained me in my devotion to their complete destruction and helped me overcome the virtuous human impulse to recoil in disgust from what had to be done by my hand.
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Seattle PostIntelligencer, August 4, 2003
Lying for Empire
by David Model

The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the U.S. and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium during attacks on Iraq in March and April-far more than the 375 tons used in the 1991 Gulf War.

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