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Jul 9, 2013
 
miner49er wrote:
So let's take a look at America's secret Wars, just a selection after WWII...
These first two are examples of Big Oil's control over the CIA.
Syria 1949
Syria became an independent republic in 1946, but the March 1949 Syrian coup d'état, led by Army Chief of Staff Husni al-Za'im, ended the initial period of civilian rule. Za'im met at least six times with CIA operatives in the months prior to the coup to discuss his plan to seize power. Za'im requested American funding or personnel, but it is not known whether this assistance was provided. Once in power, Za'im made several key decisions that benefitted the United States.
Iran 1953
In 1953, the CIA worked with the United Kingdom to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran led by Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh who had attempted to nationalize Iran's petroleum industry, threatening the profits of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company.[15] Declassified CIA documents show that Britain was fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry and pressed the U.S. to mount a joint operation to depose the prime minister and install a puppet regime.[16] In 1951 the Iranian parliament voted to nationalize the petroleum fields of the country.[16][17]
The coup was led by CIA operative Kermit Roosevelt, Jr.(grandson of President Theodore Roosevelt).
So America's tax dollars being used to ensure Big Oil's profits by overthrowing civilian governments and supporting dictators.
But wait, there's more!
Guatemala 1954
Tibet 1955–70s
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
Iraq 1960–63
Dominican Republic 1961
South Vietnam 1961
Brazil 1964
Ghana 1966
Chile 1970–73
Afghanistan 1979–89
Turkey 1980
Poland 1980–81
Nicaragua 1981–90
Cambodia 1980–95
Angola 1980s
Philippines 1986
Venezuela 2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_St...
Please, for the love of whatever you love, study the Cold War.
http://www.us-foreign-policy-perspective.org/...
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In Bush’s Footsteps
by Jeff Huber

"While the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) is not a pack of latter-day Brownshirts like the American Legion, the two groups possess a common value: they never saw an armed conflict they didn’t like. If they had to serve in a pointless war, everyone else should too.
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Robert Parry, Secrecy & Privilege
p443

Many Americans so enjoyed the TV-driven nationalism of the Iraq War that they didn't want it spoiled by troubling facts. During the conflict, they objected when news outlets showed mangled bodies or wounded children or U.S. POWs. Only positive images were welcome.

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idiot wrote:
<quoted text>Again I am a somalian, an azzhat!?
You're an admitted Somali pirate and everybody know it. In your learned opinion, are your women better than your goats, stooge?
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An NFL Fan wrote:
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You're not an American. You're nothing more than a Somali pirate and you've admitted it.
ThaN you will have problem, as I'm american that belong with over 70% of AMericans who don't believe in Us foreign policy, the illicit US wars , as it made a big mess at home and worldwide. You our evil American war mongers /WAR-FOR-PROFITeers/ war-weapons manufacturers... real anti-Americans , Anti-world, anti-peace, anti-civil liberties, anti-human rights, anti-constitutional... you should US citizens status should be taken away, as you made a big mess at home and world wide.. The international war crimes Trbunal had tried Bush & co ...for war crime agaisnt humanity! U think u are exempt war monger, sooner or later you face war tribunal! One for humaanity!
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Chris Hedges, War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning, p23

Most national myths, at their core, are racist. They are fed by ignorance. Those individuals who understand other cultures, speak other languages, and find richness in diversity are shunted aside.
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Chris Hedges, War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning, p48

Those who do defy the nationalist agenda in war are usually reviled during the conflict and shunned afterward.

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bad bob wrote:
Global Idiot troll. Yer gibberish means nothing.
You been barfing the same thing for over 4 years here, and it will NEVER change ONE thing.
Yer a sad little nobody in a world fulla bad people. Deal with it. Wars, destruction, & killing will continue until the Earth turns to dust.
Move on, jackass.
Don't fool yourself.

The guy's contributions to the thread far exceed your own.

Or tell us, what have you told us that's of value?

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idiot wrote:
<quoted text> ThaN yoisnt humanity! U think u are exempt war monger, sooner or later you face war tribunal! One for humaanity!
I always enjoy the way you make a jumbled mess of the English language, Somalian stooge. Now answer the question about your goats versus your woman, pirate.
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Jon Carroll,news columnist,
Superpatriotism, Michael Parenti, p71

We are not the only democracy in the world; we are not the only country that exhibits courage in the face of adversity. We lie and cheat and steal and murder. Any assumption that God conferred on us a special blessing is not backed up by the facts. We fail to sign international treaties, and we reserve the right to violate such treaties whenever we feel like it. Is that because God speaks to our leaders as he speaks to no others?
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Howard Zinn, Scourge of Nationalism,
The Progressive magazine, June 2005, p12
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Is not nationalism-that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder-one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred? These ways of thinking-cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on-have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

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... That self-deception started early.

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#164591
Jul 9, 2013
 
miner49er wrote:
"That's why the Egyptians removed Morsi from office"
You mean the military coup that imprisoned the democratically elected leader of Egypt?
No. I meant the Egyptian people that demanded that Morsi be removed for not doing what he promised, disbanding their established political processes, attempting to implement Sharia Law, and for trying to transform Egypt into a state they did not want... reminds me a lot of obama.
miner49er wrote:
You say: "when it comes to Egypt and most of the M.E., "Let Allah sort it out"." so you agree with me that the CIA was wrong to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran?
"In 1953, the United States CIA led by one of President Theodore Roosevelt’s grandsons, initiated a coup in Iran (Operation Ajax)[8] to remove the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. The Iranian government was understandably dissatisfied with the terms of its contract with the Anglo-Persian Oil Company that allowed British interests to claim 85% of the oil profit from Iran.[9] Iran voted to nationalize the oil industry in 1951 after the British declined to renegotiate the terms. The US-led coup was successful, and the royal monarch, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi,[10] became virtual dictator. Fearing popular reprisal, Pahlavi’s government was supported by the CIA in creating the Iranian SAVAK, a vicious secret police for the Shah’s dictatorial government."
What are you bringing up next, President Madison and the Barbary Pirates?
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Bobin, given your statement can we also belive you think President Eisenhower and Ford were wrong to develop Irans nuclear program?
"Under the Eisenhower administration, the US cooperated with the Shah’s government for the development of Iranian nuclear energy through the “Atoms for Peace” program.[12] President Ford agreed to US full cooperation to help Iran build about two dozen nuclear energy plants. When the Iranian people overthrew the Shah’s government in 1979, the US stopped cooperating. The US backed Iraq in their invasion of Iran in 1980 and throughout the war until 1988, seeking a more US-friendly Iranian government. The US provided Saddam Hussein with the chemical and biological weapons the W. Bush administration later used as justification for invading Iraq.[13] Since 1979, the US has worked to prevent Iran having a nuclear energy program, even under the legal provisions of the NPT, and reneged on a multi-billion dollar contract to deliver nuclear fuel to Iran without refunding Iran’s money."
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/us-ove...
For those that are reading challenged,(Miner), let's try this one last time... "Let Allah sort it out".
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Sydney J Harris
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The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.

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idiot wrote:
Sydney J Harris
t attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
Way to spam it up, Somalian pirate! Did you run out of your own confused words, numbnuts?
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Adbusters defined 'Neoconservatism':

9/11 and American Empire
Intellectuals Speak Out
Edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott

The belief that Democracy, however flawed, was best defended by an ignorant public pumped on nationalism and religion. Only a militantly nationalist state could deter human aggression .... Such nationalism requires an external threat and if one cannot be found it must be manufactured.
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Obama vows to push new gun-control legislation in 2013
www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2012/12/obam... ...

Jim Kouri, CPP, is founder and CEO of Kouri Associates, a homeland security, public safety and political consulting firm. He’s formerly Fifth Vice-President,...
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We talking ab out eygpt!

Mark Zepezauer, Boomerang, p75
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Egypt a well-bribed client state of the U.S.

Egypt under Mubarak uses its billions in U.S. military aid to detain, beat and torture dissenters, opposition politicians and journalists; many have died in custody. Thousands of political prisoners and pro-democracy activists are held in overcrowded, disease-ridden prisons, without charges or trials. Press restrictions, including newspaper shutdowns, are widespread. Arab nationalists view Egypt as a well-bribed client state of the U.S. and an obstacle to self-determination for its own people as well as its Palestinian neighbors. Nevertheless, the "Lion of Egypt" was re-elected to a fourth term in 1999 with just under 94 percent of the vote; his party holds 97 percent of the legislative seats. He has never named a vice president.

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idiot wrote:
Intellectuals Speak Out and I can't understand a word of it.
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Tell me again how you began your career as a Somali pirate. Does it offer a dental plan?
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Tainted Legacy
9/11 and the Ruin of Human Rights, William Schulz, p201

If America is identified with autocratic regimes; if it is justifiably charged with ignoring inconvenient human rights claims; if it is seen as skirting the rules at home and undermining international human rights abroad, its promotion of democracy will be suspect and its insistence that others abide by the rule of law seen as a charade.

As one Egyptian dissident put it with a rueful laugh, "John Ashcroft's arrests of Arab men, the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, military tribunals - all of it is exported from here [Egypt]." Nothing undermines the democracy agenda more thoroughly or extends a more welcome invitation to extremists than such hypocrisy.
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Ben Bagdikian,
Council for a Livable World Education Fund ,
New Media Monopoly, p94
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The Council for a Livable World Education Fund reports that most U.S. aid is for the military of the recipient nations and that 90 percent of all American foreign aid has gone to the Middle East, with most of that to Israel or regimes like Egypt's, which keep their restive Islamic masses under control.

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