Bush is a hero

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#164014 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I have not said anything about it being legal. Is it right? It is legal to murder babies in the womb. It was legal to own slaves. It is legal to mutilate a girl's genitals in Africa and to behead a homosexual in Arabia.
Yes, you did say something about it being legal. You said:

"What you are saying is that you will allow the state to define who can be killed legally?"

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164015 Jul 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yes, you did say something about it being legal. You said:
"What you are saying is that you will allow the state to define who can be killed legally?"
And if you do allow the state to determine that which is legal from that which is right? What happens when they determine it's okay to terminate first generation immigrants because they are a burden to the state?

Is it legal? Is it right?

Since: Aug 11

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#164016 Jul 1, 2013
Abortion is an unfortunate necessity.
No winners.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#164017 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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And if you do allow the state to determine that which is legal from that which is right? What happens when they determine it's okay to terminate first generation immigrants because they are a burden to the state?
Is it legal? Is it right?
OK.

Whether something is legal or illegal is determined by the law.

In the example you give, the law would violate the U.S. Constitution. So, the law could not be enforced.

We are all free to disagree on whether something is morally right.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#164018 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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What you are saying is that you will allow the state to define who can be killed legally? Is that correct?
Unless I'm very much mistaken, the State already does. I would prefer it not decide that mothers can be killed by pregnancy.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164019 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I have not said anything about it being legal.
"...you will allow the state to define who can be killed legally? Is that correct"?

Sound familiar?

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164020 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I have come to the conclusion that you place far more reliance on your reasoning skills than you should.
You are off topic. Does something being legal make it right?
I'm not really any more interested in your conclusions about my reasoning skills, than you are in examining your hypocrisy.

As far as being 'off topic', I believe this topic has been at the top of the list for most of the day.

Of course, I suppose we could go back to Obama-bashing, if that would make you feel better...

Obama is an ass, and I wish he had never been a candidate for President, considering the way his Presidency has turned out.

There you go.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164021 Jul 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK.
Whether something is legal or illegal is determined by the law.
In the example you give, the law would violate the U.S. Constitution. So, the law could not be enforced.
We are all free to disagree on whether something is morally right.
Not if the Supreme Court decided that you did not fall into the proper category. That would change the law. That is what they did with Roe v Wade.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164022 Jul 1, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text> "...you will allow the state to define who can be killed legally? Is that correct"?
Sound familiar?
I asked you a question. Your morals should not be determined by what the state says is legal.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164023 Jul 1, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Oh for pete sake, give it a rest. We've already established long ago that no one would have denied an abortion to someone with an ectopic pregnancy, since the fetus would not live no matter what. Any other threat to a mother's life would have been dealt with by delivering the baby early with hopes of saving it but knowing they might not. For some reason you want to beat this drum over and over. You don't need to feel bad if you decided to have an ectopic pregnancy removed, but you keep trying to prove yourself.
Are you telling me to shut up, Lis?

Ectopic pregnancy is hardly the only sort that results in dead moms. There are many conditions which can render a pregnant woman dead unless she aborts...and in countries where it is illegal, they routinely have that outcome. The United States has the third highest rate of maternal mortality in all the industrialized nations as it is...I would greatly prefer that statistic could be made more favorable to pregnant women here. I suppose we don't agree on that either?

Other than that, "we" all know how much joy you yourself derive from beating dead horses...

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#164024 Jul 1, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not really any more interested in your conclusions about my reasoning skills, than you are in examining your hypocrisy.
As far as being 'off topic', I believe this topic has been at the top of the list for most of the day.
Of course, I suppose we could go back to Obama-bashing, if that would make you feel better...
Obama is an ass, and I wish he had never been a candidate for President, considering the way his Presidency has turned out.
There you go.
Where's good ole' Mike Huckabee when we need him?

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164025 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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Not if the Supreme Court decided that you did not fall into the proper category. That would change the law. That is what they did with Roe v Wade.
'They' determined with RvW that women have the right to make medical choices about our pregnancies, unencumbered by the opinions of the mailman, the clergy, our families, or you. And you've been beating your heels against the floor ever since.

Wahhhh.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164026 Jul 1, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text> 'They' determined with RvW that women have the right to make medical choices about our pregnancies, unencumbered by the opinions of the mailman, the clergy, our families, or you. And you've been beating your heels against the floor ever since.
Wahhhh.
I really haven't been beating my heels. I don't condone killing innocents. You believe you have the moral authority to determine a person's worth by their age and inconvenience factor.

Some people feel they can determine a person's value by how they adhere to the tenets of the Prophet. They feel justified in removing an Infidel's head from his shoulders. You are no different. You have determined that a baby is an inconvenient blob and deserves to be hacked to bits.

But hey, no worries. It's all legal.

You deserve each other.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164027 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I asked you a question. Your morals should not be determined by what the state says is legal.
And yours should not be determined by the musings of goatherds 2000 years dead.

JMO

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164028 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I really haven't been beating my heels. I don't condone killing innocents. You believe you have the moral authority to determine a person's worth by their age and inconvenience factor.
Some people feel they can determine a person's value by how they adhere to the tenets of the Prophet. They feel justified in removing an Infidel's head from his shoulders. You are no different. You have determined that a baby is an inconvenient blob and deserves to be hacked to bits.
But hey, no worries. It's all legal.
You deserve each other.
Pern, I do indeed believe I have the moral authority to decide for myself who or what may use my body for its survival.

I also have the authority to make my own medical decisions, even when I am pregnant.

As far as my abortion having been done for 'convenience' yeah - I found it much more convenient to live than to die. So did my subsequently born kids. Don't expect me to feel guilt, shame, or remorse about that, regardless of how you choose to spin my choice.

Thanks.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#164029 Jul 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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She is no hero. She is guilty as an accessory to murder. No matter how you or this world judges her she will stand before her Maker one day and there will be no excuses. Your idea of hero is sick and twisted sister.
I've noted of late words no longer mean much. For example the President came out and called an nba player that happens to be homosexual "courageous". Not by a long shot. I know this isn't the forum for it but to my mind its right out of the bible stated quite well in Isaiah 5:20

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#164030 Jul 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Where's good ole' Mike Huckabee when we need him?
Likely in a truck-stop restroom...but I prefer not to spend any time considering what he's getting up to in there.

:)

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#164031 Jul 1, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>And yours should not be determined by the musings of goatherds 2000 years dead.
JMO
No doubt in my mind the word you hate will outlast this nation as it turns to dust. As many nations before it.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164032 Jul 1, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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I've noted of late words no longer mean much. For example the President came out and called an nba player that happens to be homosexual "courageous". Not by a long shot. I know this isn't the forum for it but to my mind its right out of the bible stated quite well in Isaiah 5:20
Seems neither does logic or reason. There is no higher authority than the state. Man is god.

I watched the video of the Catholic priest having his head sawn off. Pretty disturbing what happens when people allow evil to rule their decisions. Some here would have cheered the crowd on and declared it was the crowd's right to do so because it's legal under Sharia law.

If there is no higher authority than man any man's life may be forfeit to the reign of convenience and mob rule.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#164033 Jul 1, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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No doubt in my mind the word you hate will outlast this nation as it turns to dust. As many nations before it.
Judgment comes. While I understand why it still grieves my heart and scares me beyond measure.

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