lisw

Sardinia, OH

#163835 Jun 27, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
zimmerman's stupidity cost a human life. That is inexcusable.
The Idiot was Not supposed to have a gun in the first place Because 'neighborhood watch' patrols are civilian, and not trained properly with firearms. At the very least, the jackass should do ten years for manslaughter. Murder is not out of the question, but jail time should result in this trial.
Know why he had the gun? he wanted to know what it felt like to shoot a man, or kid, or girl or anything living and breathing.
Lis is right about one thing; that 'star' witness sounded like she had OD'd on sedatives before taking the stand. I wanted to scream at the TV, "SPEAK UP!!
I changed the channel before I started talking like her...
I didn't say that, Lyndi did, but I agree. She is at least angry and not going to be cooperative with the defense. The constant "sir" is really her disdain for him. I agree BH, Zimmerman was being alot egotistical in his self assigned role.He may not have intended the death of Martin but he deserves some consequence.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#163836 Jun 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say that, Lyndi did, but I agree. She is at least angry and not going to be cooperative with the defense. The constant "sir" is really her disdain for him. I agree BH, Zimmerman was being alot egotistical in his self assigned role.He may not have intended the death of Martin but he deserves some consequence.
He probably does deserve some consequence but from the letter of the law he seems not guilty. I believe he was the one being attacked. Why call the police if your going to shoot the guy? Trayvons dad originally said it was not his kids voice on the 911 call. Zimmerman had injuries. To much evidence points to his innocence in a self defense case. JMO.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#163837 Jun 27, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
He probably does deserve some consequence but from the letter of the law he seems not guilty. I believe he was the one being attacked. Why call the police if your going to shoot the guy? Trayvons dad originally said it was not his kids voice on the 911 call. Zimmerman had injuries. To much evidence points to his innocence in a self defense case. JMO.
Things that make you go humm. So who knows how many people have been killed since Trayvon? Most at least around here make the news once and never again. This case had the President of the U.S. speak to it. All the buzz on local radio today is that Zimmerman faked his injuries. Again things that make you go humm. I've seen a few cars that say "justice for Trayvon" on them. Hope this thing doesn't end in riots.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163838 Jun 27, 2013
miner49er wrote:
Well, you'd probably do better than Bachmann:
"U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota stood before New Hampshire Republicans with a tea bag clutched in her hand Saturday, but her grasp on Revolutionary War geography wasn't quite as tight. Before headlining a GOP fundraiser, the possible presidential hopeful told a group of students and conservative activists in Manchester, "You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord," according to video posted online by WMUR-TV.
But those first shots of the Revolutionary War were fired in Massachusetts, not New Hampshire. Though Bachmann probably wasn't the first to confuse Concord, N.H., with Concord, Mass., her mistake was striking given her roots in the Tea Party movement, which takes its name from the dumping of tea into Boston Harbor by angry American colonists in December 1773, 16 months before the Battle of Lexington Green."
Or McCain and Romney:
"In 2008, Senator John McCain, the Republican Presidential nominee, spoke of Czechoslovakia, even though that nation had divided into the Czech Republic and Slovakia fifteen years earlier, in 1993.
Now, in 2012, Mitt Romney, the Republican Presidential nominee, talked last night of Syria being the Iranian route to the Mediterranean Sea, even though Iraq stands between Iran and Syria."
Or Santorum and Bachmann:
"He cited development money that went to fight the AIDS pandemic in Africa: "It was a country on the brink," he said, adding that it was a ripe region for radical Islamists.
Africa, of course, is a continent, not a country. And we've heard this mistake before.
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Santorum's primary rival, also made a geographical mix-up about Africa at an earlier debate, saying "Now with the president, he put us in Libya. He is now putting us in Africa. We already were stretched too thin, and he put our special operations forces in Africa."
Holy Cow!
Everyone of them was a Republican Presidential candidate...
Unlike obama, I bet not one of those Republicans has even been in 57 of the 58 states of the USA.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163839 Jun 27, 2013
miner49er wrote:
Durn them 'ol impartial, transparent IG investigations...
"The bombshell IRS audit released in May omitted information about liberal groups at the request of House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA), according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration’s office.
A spokesman for Treasury Inspector General J. Russell George told The Hill on Tuesday that Issa had requested investigators “narrowly focus on tea party organizations."
"The Associated Press on Wednesday confirmed that liberal and progressive groups were subjected the same treatment that conservative groups had complained about, including excessive questioning and extremely long waits. The liberal group Catholics United, for instance, waited seven years before receiving tax exempt status, far longer than any tea party group was forced to wait."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/issa-di...
So Issa massages the criteria for political advantage, how patriotic to twist the facts for political motives.
I look forward to the Democrats bringing several of those groups in as witnesses. To date, they haven't produced even "one" example. Such is the way when the government investigates themselves... I wonder why the courts don't do that for all trials?

The feds can make as many claims as they want, but where are the actual victims... victims that can be questioned, and verified?
miner49er

Webster Springs, WV

#163840 Jun 27, 2013
"Let's see, Syria: The attackers didn't breach the compound walls, they were driven off by an adequate defensive force, and they killed... all with no Americans being killed or injured."

Sure, they didn't breach the EMBASSY's walls...

In Libya it was an covert safehouse, that's a risk you take when you slip into a country to neigotiate with a rebel government during a time of civil unrest.

So a planned attack on our EMBASSY in Syria leaves 4 dead and no one is fired?
If your personnel are killed in an attack something is wrong with your security.

You think everything is great 'cause no Americans were killed?
No need to fire anyone because of the security failure because only the brown people were killed?

OK, who lost their job because of the intelligence failures that led to 3000 dead Americans on 9/11/01?

Where was Bush on 9/12/01?

Oh yeah, waving bye-bye to the bin Laden family as they escaped to Saudi Arabia on the only flights Bush authorized to fly the day after 9/11.

"Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.
Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane."

Who got fired when Reagan lost 17 Americans in a terror attack at the US Embassy Beirut?

"The April 18, 1983 United States embassy bombing was a suicide bombing in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans."

Or when his security failures led to 241 dead Marines and soldiers at the Marine Barracks in Beirut?

"In the attack on the American barracks, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since World War II's Battle of Iwo Jima, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Vietnam War's Tet Offensive, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II."

Let's see, 17+241=258 DEAD AMERICANS, 60 times the number killed at the CIA safehouse in Benghazi...

Did Reagan get impeached?

No, he, like Bush after the embassy security failures on his watch was re-elected.

And no one was "fired"...

Of course, Reagan and Bush are white folks so they get a pass for their intelligence failures that led to 3,258 DEAD AMERICANS.

Not to mention Bush's 4,000 DEAD AMERICANS in the WRONG COUNTRY in a War of Lies.

How do you conservatives even look at yourself in the mirror?

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#163841 Jun 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Things that make you go humm. So who knows how many people have been killed since Trayvon? Most at least around here make the news once and never again. This case had the President of the U.S. speak to it. All the buzz on local radio today is that Zimmerman faked his injuries. Again things that make you go humm. I've seen a few cars that say "justice for Trayvon" on them. Hope this thing doesn't end in riots.
I think it will end up as a manslaughter verdict (I think they have that option). But I still think there will be some rioting even then. But according to the stand your ground law he really is innocent IMO.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163842 Jun 27, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, He did, but He wasn't talking about foreign powers. He was talking about money.
Matthew 6:24 [Jesus said]“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
What does Texas being the site of 13 major disaster relief areas in recent years have to do with anything, Miner? Are you trying to say that Bush or Governor Perry somehow colluded with the weather to create said disasters? Do you think Texas has never been the site of a federal disaster area before?(Ever heard of the notorious hurricane of 1900, which devasted Galveston, TX? One of the worst national disasters in American history).
Miner, do you have any idea how stupid you look with this "Texas isn't part of the United States" nonsense? It's about the most desperate, amateurish, thread-bare "let's-smear-Bush" ploy I've ever heard of, and by now I've heard plenty. It's pathetic, Miner, especially considering it's an attempt to defend a sitting POTUS by attacking one who left office MORE THAN FOUR YEARS AGO. And may I point out that if neither Bush Sr. nor Bush Jr. were legally POTUS, then neither was Lyndon Johnson, from whose "Great Society" programs almost all other social welfare programs have sprung.
If that weren't enough, you get your raw material from MOTHERJONES?? That alone tells me all I need to know about your credibility, Miner.
Dwight David Eisenhower, commander of the Allied Forces in WWII and our 34th President, was born in Denison, Texas. I pass his birthplace every time I visit my favorite Oklahoma casino.
miner49er

Webster Springs, WV

#163843 Jun 27, 2013
""Texas isn't part of the United States" nonsense"

Not my fault Texas never met the requirements for readmission to the Union, it's just a historical fact and a matter of public record:

"President Andrew Johnson appointed Union General Andrew J. Hamilton, a prominent politician before the war, as the provisional governor on June 17. He granted amnesty to ex-Confederates if they promised to support the Union in the future, appointing some to office. However, it was not until March 30, 1870, that the United States Congress permitted Texas' representatives to take their seat in Congress,[16] although Texas did not meet all the formal requirements for readmission."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_in_the_Ame...

Obama's birth certificate is held in the Public Records of the State of Hawaii.

Thanks to Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution every other State must honor the birth certificate:

"the "Full Faith and Credit Clause", addresses the duties that states within the United States have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_C...

And Hawaii is part of the Union, they never committed open, armed rebellion against the Constitution of the United States.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#163844 Jun 27, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it will end up as a manslaughter verdict (I think they have that option). But I still think there will be some rioting even then. But according to the stand your ground law he really is innocent IMO.
Yep. It had been some time since I heard something so far out. Reminds me of after Katrina when people insisted Bush blew out the levees. Just so much crap. I'm sure if he could relive that day Zimmerman never would have never followed him. But he did a very stupid thing and now here we are.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163845 Jun 27, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
He SHOULD be staying out of the case altogether. You may recall that I've said Obama won't hesitate to play the race card when it suits him. Never mind whether he really believes there's a true racial component to an issue: he'll use it to further his socialist goals. I think this is a good example of that.
"the Cambridge police acted stupidly."


Professor Gates is obama's friend, but look who is assisting the elderly professor down the White House steps after barry's beer summit photo op... Cambridge Police Sergeant James Crowley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163846 Jun 27, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
zimmerman's stupidity cost a human life. That is inexcusable.
The Idiot was Not supposed to have a gun in the first place Because 'neighborhood watch' patrols are civilian, and not trained properly with firearms. At the very least, the jackass should do ten years for manslaughter. Murder is not out of the question, but jail time should result in this trial.
Know why he had the gun? he wanted to know what it felt like to shoot a man, or kid, or girl or anything living and breathing.
Lis is right about one thing; that 'star' witness sounded like she had OD'd on sedatives before taking the stand. I wanted to scream at the TV, "SPEAK UP!!
I changed the channel before I started talking like her...
Too late.
miner49er

Webster Springs, WV

#163847 Jun 27, 2013
"I look forward to the Democrats bringing several of those groups in as witnesses. To date, they haven't produced even "one" example."

Did you read my post?

Here's an example:

"The liberal group Catholics United, for instance, waited seven years before receiving tax exempt status, far longer than any tea party group was forced to wait."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/issa-di ...

catholics United was willing to follow the process without complainting to Congress.
The teabaggers should stop whining and follow the their example.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#163848 Jun 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>They say that in the US most younger people have not a clue about geography. I can still fill in all the states of a blank US map and except for the fact that the names have changed and territories have shifted I could probably do that with a world map.
It goes much further than that Lis. They're not up on Geography, History, English Spelling & Grammar, Current Events, Economics, and except for a select few, Politics.

But they know video games, all the latest movies, and all the hip hop rappers, etc.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163849 Jun 27, 2013
miner49er wrote:
"Let's see, Syria: The attackers didn't breach the compound walls, they were driven off by an adequate defensive force, and they killed... all with no Americans being killed or injured."
Sure, they didn't breach the EMBASSY's walls...
In Libya it was an covert safehouse, that's a risk you take when you slip into a country to neigotiate with a rebel government during a time of civil unrest.
So a planned attack on our EMBASSY in Syria leaves 4 dead and no one is fired?
They were the attackers that were killed!
miner49er wrote:
If your personnel are killed in an attack something is wrong with your security.
You think everything is great 'cause no Americans were killed?
No need to fire anyone because of the security failure because only the brown people were killed?
Why would anyone get fired for killing the al-qaeda attackers... who cares what color their skin was?
miner49er wrote:
OK, who lost their job because of the intelligence failures that led to 3000 dead Americans on 9/11/01?
President Clinton was already out of office, so there was no point in trying to fire him for the faulty intelligence policies his administration implemented. President Bush implemented procedures to get the different intelligence groups to share information, making it easier to foil attacks. Bush's policies were doing very well in preventing attacks on American soil, until obama took over, and implemented "political correctness" into the mix.
miner49er wrote:
Where was Bush on 9/12/01?
You're kidding. Once he realized that the unthinkable was happening, President Bush instituted steps to ensure that no more planes were used against us that day... and that the USA was safe from attack for the rest of his Presidency.
miner49er wrote:
Oh yeah, waving bye-bye to the bin Laden family as they escaped to Saudi Arabia on the only flights Bush authorized to fly the day after 9/11.
"Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.
Some 140 high ranking Saudi officials were also on the plane."
You're sadly mistaken, he was waving at the military aircraft he had up ensuring our skys were safe.
miner49er wrote:
Of course, Reagan and Bush are white folks so they get a pass for their intelligence failures that led to 3,258 DEAD AMERICANS.
Not to mention Bush's 4,000 DEAD AMERICANS in the WRONG COUNTRY in a War of Lies.
How do you conservatives even look at yourself in the mirror?
Have you been to the Vietnam Memorial? You can thank President Johnson for escalating that war the way he did. Over 58,000 DEAD AMERICANS, and millions of dead Vietnamese. Even he realized how bad he screwed up, and chose not to run for a second term.

You could also chalk up almost 300,000 American deaths to FDR, 55,000 more to Wilson, or 35,000 to Truman.

How can you Democrats even look at yourselfs in the mirror?

But I see you're still deflecting. We were discussing current events,(pResident obama), not ancient history.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163850 Jun 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. It had been some time since I heard something so far out. Reminds me of after Katrina when people insisted Bush blew out the levees. Just so much crap.
It wasn't President Bush that blew up the levees, it was Dick Cheney. Get it right. President Bush was busy flying over New Orleans flipping Ray Nagin the bird.

Small world. "School Bus" Nagin is currently a resident of Frisco, Texas these days. However, I expect he'll soon be moving to some of that federally funded housing that comes with the free food and healthcare.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/04/r...

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#163852 Jun 27, 2013
miner49er wrote:
"I look forward to the Democrats bringing several of those groups in as witnesses. To date, they haven't produced even "one" example."
Did you read my post?
Here's an example:
"The liberal group Catholics United, for instance, waited seven years before receiving tax exempt status, far longer than any tea party group was forced to wait."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/issa-di ...
catholics United was willing to follow the process without complainting to Congress.
The teabaggers should stop whining and follow the their example.
Were they too dumb to fill out the proper paperwork, or just slow in submitting it?

Maybe they should have asked obama's uncle to handle their application.

http://nlpc.org/stories/2013/05/14/irs-gave-e...

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-report-ex...
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#163853 Jun 27, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
zimmerman's stupidity cost a human life. That is inexcusable.
The Idiot was Not supposed to have a gun in the first place Because 'neighborhood watch' patrols are civilian, and not trained properly with firearms. At the very least, the jackass should do ten years for manslaughter. Murder is not out of the question, but jail time should result in this trial.
Know why he had the gun? he wanted to know what it felt like to shoot a man, or kid, or girl or anything living and breathing.
Lis is right about one thing; that 'star' witness sounded like she had OD'd on sedatives before taking the stand. I wanted to scream at the TV, "SPEAK UP!!
I changed the channel before I started talking like her...
I'm opting for not havng an opinion on his guilt or innocence. I wasn't there.
He did have a permit to carry a gun so he was within his rights on that one and I guess it wasn't against the law to be following Martin. Maybe Zimmerman was stupid. Maybe he was simply an overzealous guy who fantisized about being in law enforcement or maybe he'd just had it with the crime in his neighborhood and snapped. Don't know.
I'd like to know how his nose got broken though and I'd like to know how the back of his head was cut before the shot was fired.

As far as that key prosecution witness goes - Yikes! I hope those lawyers have alot more than than just her. Can't quite figure out why they put her up first.
I'm concerned about the jury. 6 women who have to know if they find him not guilty a whole lot of people are going to start screaming.

Oh well..... this is America where there's always the possibilty of a book deal. And when it comes to high voltage African American trials where the whole country including the POTUS weighing in, they may get on the talk show circuit too and have their own little reality TV thing going!
lisw

Sardinia, OH

#163854 Jun 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Were they too dumb to fill out the proper paperwork, or just slow in submitting it?
Maybe they should have asked obama's uncle to handle their application.
http://nlpc.org/stories/2013/05/14/irs-gave-e...
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-report-ex...
As you know the IRS operated on buzzwords to discriminate. "Catholic" was perhaps one of those as it is seen as a conservative description but in fact Catholics united helped get Obama elected. The IRS is not too bright.(uh-oh audit)
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#163855 Jun 27, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
He SHOULD be staying out of the case altogether. You may recall that I've said Obama won't hesitate to play the race card when it suits him.
Yeah well, he's playing the gay card now and milking it for all it's worth. The SCOTUS rulings yesterday prompted this today in Senegal.

"Laying bare a clash of cultures, President Barack Obama on Thursday urged African leaders to extend equal rights to gays and lesbians but was bluntly rebuked by Senegal's president, who said his country "still isn't ready" to decriminalize homosexuality.

Obama opened his weeklong trip to Africa one day after the U.S. Supreme Court expanded federal benefits for married gay couples. In his first in-person comments on the ruling, Obama said the court's decision marked a "proud day for America." He pressed for similar recognition for gays in Africa, wading into a sensitive area in a region where dozens of countries outlaw homosexuality and a few punish violations with death.

"When it comes to how the state treats people, how the law treats people, I believe that everybody has to be treated equally," Obama said during a news conference with Senegalese President Macky Sall at the grand presidential palace in Dakar.

But Sall gave no ground. Senegal is "very tolerant," he assured Obama, but is "still not ready to decriminalize homosexuality." Sall said countries make decisions on complex issues in their own time, noting that Senegal has outlawed capital punishment while other countries have not — a pointed jab at the U.S., where the death penalty is legal in many states."
By JULIE PACE AP White House Correspondent

18 months ago Obama was against gay marriage. Today he's giving advice on the subject as a vacationing guest in someone elses country. Two days ago his multiple failings in this country were giving him an huge headache. One victory in the Supreme Court and his monumental ego has come roaring back to life.

Whatta schmuck.


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