Since: Apr 07

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#162940 May 28, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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There were at least a few times when Moses had to talk God out of destroying the Isrealites. Thats kind of strange since he already knew he wouldn't destroy them. No offense but the whole thing is kind of silly. He knew back then I was going to hell. he knew back then some of you were going to heaven. The plan has been completed, Jesus said it is finished. Why play it out any longer, he knows whose been naughty and nice. Lets get on with it...

Oh thats right, for some reason he needs to let Satan tempt and destroy souls for another who knows how many thousands of years, even though the price has been paid.
Not trying to argue here. JMO.........
Larry, I don't mind the arguing, as long as it's good-natured and doesn't get personal :)

It took me a LONG time to reconcile how God could change His mind about destroying the Hebrews while knowing at the same time He was GOING to change His mind about it !?!

But yes, that's exactly what happened. It IS a paradox, and that's how I resolved that little dilemma. In my limited human way, I can't understand how the Lord could change His mind at a given point in time, even while knowing (since He Himself created time) that He was GOING to change His mind at that specific point in time. But we know that WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. So this is possible, too, and there's plenty of other paradoxes in Christianity as well, more than enough to keep human beings debating them for centuries :)

When Jesus said "It is finished" He didn't mean that it was time to pull the plug on humanity. He meant that HIS DIVINE MISSION OF PROCURING SALVATION FOR HUMANITY HAD BEEN COMPLETED. Jesus had lived a sinless human life, and had suffered and died to complete His sacrifice of taking on Himself the punishment WE deserved for our sins. And then in His divine power as God incarnate He rose again, defeating death, sin and Satan forever, blessed be His name :)

Of course the Lord knows who's been naughty and nice :) But salvation doesn't depend on how good you've been, because nobody, NOBODY can ever be perfect, as Jesus was. Salvation depends on WHETHER OR YOU ACCEPT THAT JESUS IS GOD'S SON, WHO LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR YOU. That's it.

As for any delay in all that:

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. Instead He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

I don't know about that thousand years business. That's from the Revelation, and I've always believed that except for the first 3 or 4 chapters, the Book is largely symbolic, including the thousand years. A few years ago, I participated in a Bible study about the Revelation, which strengthened my opinion considerably, and from which I learned that the Jews of John's day considered "thousand years" to mean simply a long time, in the same way that that famous "144,000 which will be saved" that Jehovah's Witnesses like to take literally, means "a whole bunch of people." Partly as a result of that Bible study, I believe the Revelation is the record of seven divine visions, sent to John, to assure him and the world through him, that the end of the world WILL come one day, wrongdoers will be punished, and that Jesus WILL return to bring all who believe in Him to live with Him in heaven forever.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#162941 May 28, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
Judas was framed!!!
And then he blew up.
A whole different spin to "I'll have mine on the rocks," ain't it?

I suspect Judas was framed, but not in his time. I think he did exactly as he was supposed to do, and subsequent gospel "historians" rewrote his role for their own purposes. Even Paul, the Great Missionary, doesn't seem to know of the betrayal story, for not once in all his writing does he ever mention a betrayal. In I Cor. 15:5, Paul even mentions Jesus' appearing to "the Twelve". This is a broad hint that the Judas betrayal was fabricated even later than Paul's writing. I propose that Jesus fully intended to get himself arrested, and Judas only did what he was assigned to do.

Let's start with Jesus picking someone to do the deed. What did the disciples respond? All around the table, "Surely not I, Lord?" What does Judas reply? "Surely not I, Lord?" What an odd thing to say, don't you think? Why would they all say that? Because NOBODY wants this onerous task. Clearly they've received an instruction they completely understand, and all find repugnant. This casts a new light on the scene - Jesus needed to pick one to execute the more unsavory portions of his plan, and Judas just drew short straw. Listen to the words again, "Surely not I, Lord?" Notice Jesus indicates this in full view of everyone, and not one disciple objects - not feisty and mercurial Peter, not even the Sons of Thunder.

The writer of GoJohn in fact does something inexplicable - he has Jesus >say< clearly that he is to be betrayed, he shows just as clearly who is the Betrayer, and then, he instructs that one to go get started. THEN the writer says that the disciples didn't understand what they just saw and heard!

What!? Either these 11 guys are the most monumental dunderheads to ever follow a Messiah, or something ain't quite right about the telling of it. Read it yourself - Jesus couldn't have made it more clear. What we have here is the author relating a true event, but he has to weave this more insidious motive into it, and it comes off just as we would expect - it conflicts with itself as written! Far from objecting to what they've just witnessed with their eyes and ears, the disciples are most likely relieved! Somebody had to do this nasty job, and we can imagine them all slumped down in their seat and looking at the ground, hoping Jesus looks elsewhere. Isn't it obvious that Judas was merely Jesus' assistant in undertaking a most distasteful but necessary task?

Next, look back to the preceding week - has Jesus not engineered this whole thing down to the finest detail? Did Jesus not tell his disciples what was to happen in Jerusalem? When Peter objects vehemently, doesn't Jesus rebuke him as severely as he ever spoke to anyone? In numerous instances the entire week, prophecy is not just fulfilled, Jesus specially arranges things "so that they might be fulfilled". So, why did the disciples watch Jesus instruct Judas, and say or do nothing?

Because he was acting his assigned role. It was later writers who demonized this role. Why? Well, that's a whole 'nother story....

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

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#162942 May 28, 2013
Quiet everyone, the pretentious one speaks...
Roberta G wrote:
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Yellow, for your OWN sake, please knock off this little guerrilla war. In case you haven't noticed, nobody else is playing. Meanwhile you're making yourself look worse and worse, while I on the other hand have come up smelling like a rose without even trying. Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself and it's really sad to see. I'd prefer to go on disliking you than pitying you.
How would you know how this looks to everyone?!?!?!?!?

Unbelievable.

Since: Apr 07

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#162943 May 28, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
Quiet everyone, the pretentious one speaks... <quoted text>
How would you know how this looks to everyone?!?!?!?!?
Unbelievable.
Well, folks, just remember I tried.
Joe dugooder

Spencer, MA

#162944 May 28, 2013
What movie were you watching?

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berserker

Lodi, CA

#162945 May 29, 2013
Let us not forget that America is a war time economy. Also, isnt is laughable that the most sophisticated inteligence service on the planet simply had (bad intel)? Thats all the war criminal Bush and his lap dog had to say to get away with high treason? Then there is this, who do you think armed the whole middle east to the teeth? Then we wonder why there is a problem? Did it ever occur to anyone that the middle east is getting sick of being (jacked around) and plundered by the us? If he Saddam had WMD he probably baught them from America!
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162946 May 29, 2013
berserker wrote:
Then there is this, who do you think armed the whole middle east to the teeth? Then we wonder why there is a problem.
There's plenty of blame to go around for that and >I< don't wonder why there is a problem.


If the modern world hadn't relied on the Middle East for oil, it's inhabitants would still be going through internal growing pains of slowly evolving into the modern age like most other nations. <shrug> Or, they would have rejected the modern age and stayed antiquated for another couple hundred years.

Billions and billions of dollars have poured into a relatively backward part of the globe much of which hadn't changed much since biblical times and was done so by multiple nations....not just the US and not just by republican administrations. And a case can be made that going from internal tribal wars with rocks and clubs fighting over whose sand grew the best bananas.... to suddenly having the monetary ability to buy big boy weapons, changed the entire dynamic of the region and the world. Giving keys to a Ferrari to someone who has only handled a donkey cart, was a bad idea.

I certainly hope the oil you use in your everyday life comes only from the US and you reject all foreign oil based products. From the tone of your post I will assume you're pushing this administration hard----> to drill at home. As you probably know, we can't have it both ways. No administration would trade weapons and US lives for oil, if it's people didn't demand it.
frogurs

Pittsburgh, PA

#162947 May 29, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
If Bush is a Hero were is at Today?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162948 May 29, 2013
frogurs wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=5bkae8nr2w Q
If Bush is a Hero were is at Today?
..."were is at today?...
You didn't get to middle school, huh?

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#162949 May 29, 2013
Bad Bob stole my line!

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

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#162950 May 29, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Well, folks, just remember I tried.
...you tried to make it a popularity contest rather than issue oriented debate. You are a GWB supporter and regular to this thread while I am and have pretty much been a dissenter from the start.

Nice try tho
Roberta G

United States

#162951 May 29, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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...you tried to make it a popularity contest rather than issue oriented debate. You are a GWB supporter and regular to this thread while I am and have pretty much been a dissenter from the start.
Nice try tho
*sigh*No, Yellow. I tried to help you see that you're making yourself look bad to others besides me. You could have been treating anyone the same way--another regular, regardless of his or her views, and you'd still have shown yourself to be a jerk.

And everyone here knows that I always have and still do support George Bush. Not exactly a shocking revelation there.
lisw

Wilmington, OH

#162952 May 29, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
...you tried to make it a popularity contest rather than issue oriented debate. You are a GWB supporter and regular to this thread while I am and have pretty much been a dissenter from the start.
Nice try tho
Uh yuh you really know how to debate. Did it ever occur to you that the reason Roberta is a regular is because people actually listen to what she has to say? As for you your spiel is pretty much throw away.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162953 May 29, 2013
Yellow Stain is Back wrote:
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...you tried to make it a popularity contest rather than issue oriented debate. You are a GWB supporter and regular to this thread while I am and have pretty much been a dissenter from the start.
"Dissenter" isn't the word that first comes to mind when it comes to you.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

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#162954 May 29, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Uh yuh you really know how to debate. Did it ever occur to you that the reason Roberta is a regular is because people actually listen to what she has to say? As for you your spiel is pretty much throw away.
Has it ever occurred to you that "Bush is a Hero" and it's "regulars" here have created an echo chamber or come close to?

Has it occurred to you that most threads on topix follow that pattern whether or not it is right, left, or center?

Probably not, you're not very bright, step out of your comfort zone for once.

Here is a cure for you: If what you see with your eye's offends you then pluck them out, if what you hear with your ears offends you then cut them off, sooner or later you wont have to subject yourself to that which offends you.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#162955 May 29, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>*sigh*No, Yellow. I tried to help you see that you're making yourself look bad to others besides me. You could have been treating anyone the same way--another regular, regardless of his or her views, and you'd still have shown yourself to be a jerk.
Although "Jerk" is by far a much more accurate description of Yellow Stain than is "dissenter", it's not the description that first comes to mind when I read his rants.
:)

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162956 May 29, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
Bad Bob stole my line!
And I'm takin' it downtown to pawn. Baby needs a new pair'a
SHOOOOOOOES!

Since: Apr 07

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#162957 May 29, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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Has it ever occurred to you that "Bush is a Hero" and it's "regulars" here have created an echo chamber or come close to?

Has it occurred to you that most threads on topix follow that pattern whether or not it is right, left, or center?
Probably not, you're not very bright, step out of your comfort zone for once.

Here is a cure for you: If what you see with your eye's offends you then pluck them out, if what you hear with your ears offends you then cut them off, sooner or later you wont have to subject yourself to that which offends you.
"Here is a cure for you: If what you see with your eye's offends you then pluck them out, if what you hear with your ears offends you then cut them off, sooner or later you wont have to subject yourself to that which offends you."

That IS excellent advice. Perhaps you should consider taking it yourself.

Folks, I'm going to suggest that we stop feeding Yellow's tantrum. I'm sure we all have better things to do than to keep rewarding a spoiled brat with even more attention.

Yellow, I'm sure you have a lot to offer, but until you've learned civility, I for one am not interested in hearing anything else you might have to say.
uidiotRACEMAKEW0 RLDPEACE

United States

#162958 May 29, 2013
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Well, it is in the Black Hills.
Just sayin'.
YEa you plunderer ...

The United States Court of Claims on June 13, 1979, in a 5-2 majority, decided that the 1877 Act that seized the Black Hills from the Sioux was a violation of the Fifth Amendment.[35]

On July 31, 1979 the Sioux were awarded $17.5 million with 5 percent interest totaling $105 million. However, the victory was short lived. The Indians residing in the Black Hills feared the notion that if they accept the award their land would be officially sold. This led many Sioux to believe that they would lose their land, culture and identity.[36]

Furthermore, the two lawyers continued to work with the government to provide the tribe with just compensation for violating the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty. In September 1979, Sonosky and Lazarus offered the tribe $44 million as a settlement for the violation in 1868, but were met with hostility.[37]

On October 17, 1979 Solicitor General Wade McCree of the Justice Department sent an appeal to the United States Supreme Court over the initial ruling by the Court of Claims and on November 21, 1979 the Supreme Court set a date to review the claim and on December 10, the appeal was granted.[38]
uidiotRACEMAKEW0 RLDPEACE

United States

#162959 May 29, 2013
courteous europhobe wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Doc EEEEvil hypocrite...
that war is over, done and won.
BTW how much blood oil are you using today? and from which corporation did you obtain it?
Doc H why don't the Sunni and Shia "in region simply stop killing each other?
Look it based on World history of US Manifest Destiny,, as US and world history books , archival records report US evils! You our US war mongers/War imnvestors/war-for-profiters.. . you are real and true hypocrites and profit from nisery of humanity, you who denied our US militaristic imperialist war history of evils since inception of US Empire.

Iraq war is not over , still our US troops causing dissensions in iraq and world wide . As to Iraq Sectarian wars is still in effecgt because US support one side over the other , as our US keep them busy by supply arms/weapons to one side over the other and in doing so US Militaristic Neo-impoerailist takes advantage of Sect wars, making it easier for US to plunder from other nations, and cause world of big mess at home and abroad; soldiers died and civilians worldwide died on both sides becauser of our greedy war mongering US Manifest Destiny and PNAC Agenda ..., and this bankrupting US morally and financially. How can you support evil PNAC agendas when civilians and soldiers died on both sides, You biggest moron of world biggest hyprocrite supporting evil US corrupted and greedy US war-for-profiteers/War Investors/Arms-Weaponary manufacturers... you the lowest of low on plane pof humanity , you no t thing but war mongering scvmbags of humanity! BWHAHHHHAHAHAA

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