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“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162594 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
So now Lois Lerner is doing a Monica Goodling ... in the words of John Prine, "The faces change, the lines all stay the same."
Why would a public employee refuse to tell the people's oversight committee what she did or does? Does she deserve to continue to receive a paycheck from those same people that she refuses to tell what she did/does to earn it? Should she be fired immediately?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162595 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
So now Lois Lerner is doing a Monica Goodling ... in the words of John Prine, "The faces change, the lines all stay the same."
... and back to Bush we go. That's okay. I understand your need to do that.


In more recent history and probably fresher in everyones mind than Monica Goodling would be the Fifth Amendment having been cited during probes of the Solyndra energy loan in 2011 and the General Services Administration (overseeing the ridiculously lavish 2010 Las Vegas convention) both of which occured under Obama and both of which had to do with the use, abuse and misuse of taxpayer money. Now we have behind door number #3----> one Ms. Lois Lerner, who surprise, surprise also has to do with taxpayers and their money.

Do you see a pattern here?

Do you see a pattern here?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162596 May 22, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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Does she deserve to continue to receive a paycheck from those same people that she refuses to tell what she did/does to earn it? Should she be fired immediately?
Why shouldn't she get paid? She hasn't been found guilty of anything and before she's fired, a full investigation would have to be completed and she'd have to be found culpable.
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Here you go. This will make your day. The Department of Defense confirms that accused Fort Hood shooter Major Hasan has now been paid more than $278,000 since the Nov. 2009 shooting that left 13 dead and 32 injured. The Army said under the Military Code of Justice, Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty.

Since: Apr 07

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#162597 May 22, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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<Attempt #2>
Was planning to skip comment on this one, but it's so utterly childish & inane, I just couldn't let it go.
The gist is that the OPPOSITION (in here and elsewhere) is so ingrained in taking this beloved President down, that NO one cares
a whit about the 4 murdered victims, including Amb Cris Stevens in Benghazi, Libya.

One would think that you'd be just as interested in seeing full disclosure on EVERY single "scandal" as anyone else, regardless of
the picture it paints of your ELECTED President and his Administration. No. You'd rather speculate arrogantly that the opposition couldn't possibly care about the 4 murders in Benghazi. Or could it be that you'd also like to shift all the attention away from this beleaguered admin, if for nothing else, than for them to have time to regroup, or at least catch a breath of air?

Course, with help from some of the MSM, the main focus is how much the GOP stands to gain by endless Congressional hearings trying to get to the truth. Or as the Dems call it, "the latest witch hunt".
Problem is, this Administration is shooting ITSELF in the foot, with absolutely NO help from the GOP. And not just once (F & F), but one right after the other; Benghazi, IRS profiling, AP intrusion, Fox News' James Rosen's privacy invasion, and I believe there are more, out of different Obama departments.

So actually, your bored state doesn't seem to be so important anymore (IMO). Nah. I might be a bit more concerned about being one of the "enablers" that got this joker elected, TWICE!
That is, depending on the outcomes of the current "laundry list" of problems. The low-info supporters still LOVE Obama, no matter how hot the water gets.
And YOU liked MINE?? Bravo, BB :)

Since: Apr 07

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#162598 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
So now Lois Lerner is doing a Monica Goodling ... in the words of John Prine, "The faces change, the lines all stay the same."
Then it's time to change the lines. Obama is horrible, an ideologue who will stop at nothing to force his vision of a socialist America on Americans. Even if you don't believe that, Willie, I can't believe that YOU, of all people, are so blind as to think he's been a GOOD President. For heaven's sake, Willie, STOP MAKING EXCUSES for this travesty of a President.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162599 May 22, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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... and back to Bush we go. That's okay. I understand your need to do that.
In more recent history and probably fresher in everyones mind than Monica Goodling would be the Fifth Amendment having been cited during probes of the Solyndra energy loan in 2011 and the General Services Administration (overseeing the ridiculously lavish 2010 Las Vegas convention) both of which occured under Obama and both of which had to do with the use, abuse and misuse of taxpayer money. Now we have behind door number #3----> one Ms. Lois Lerner, who surprise, surprise also has to do with taxpayers and their money.
Do you see a pattern here?
Do you see a pattern here?
Willie? Probably not.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162600 May 22, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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Why would a public employee refuse to tell the people's oversight committee what she did or does? Does she deserve to continue to receive a paycheck from those same people that she refuses to tell what she did/does to earn it? Should she be fired immediately?
I don't know whether the IRS employee is making some kind of political statement about the inquiry or is genuinely concerned about self incrimination in criminal acts, but if I was to guess it would be the former.

I don't know if she CAN be fired for exercising her 5th amendment rights, although there are different rules for political appointees and civil service employees.

I'm only casually familiar with the legal precedents regarding exercising 5th amendment rights before Congress, but I think it mostly goes back to the 50s/McCarthy era.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162601 May 22, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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... and back to Bush we go. That's okay. I understand your need to do that.
In more recent history and probably fresher in everyones mind than Monica Goodling would be the Fifth Amendment having been cited during probes of the Solyndra energy loan in 2011 and the General Services Administration (overseeing the ridiculously lavish 2010 Las Vegas convention) both of which occured under Obama and both of which had to do with the use, abuse and misuse of taxpayer money. Now we have behind door number #3----> one Ms. Lois Lerner, who surprise, surprise also has to do with taxpayers and their money.
Do you see a pattern here?
Do you see a pattern here?
You need Karl or a hyper-partisan shill like him to come back and play a game of scandal tit-for-tat with you.

As I've told you before, I'm not interested.

I do see a pattern here. That's why I mentioned Goodling, but it's not to change the subject to Bush.

The pattern occurs in the balance between the legislative and the executive. The pattern occurs in the political machinations around the majority's use (abuse?) of the legislative branch's investigative authority of the executive for political purposes.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#162602 May 22, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Then it's time to change the lines. Obama is horrible, an ideologue who will stop at nothing to force his vision of a socialist America on Americans. Even if you don't believe that, Willie, I can't believe that YOU, of all people, are so blind as to think he's been a GOOD President. For heaven's sake, Willie, STOP MAKING EXCUSES for this travesty of a President.
Wow.

You think I should stop "servicing" him?

What will I do with my kneepads?

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162603 May 22, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>And in your mind that makes it just another day in paradise. Brilliant...
Not even close to what I said or what I mean.
lisw

Wilmington, OH

#162605 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You need Karl or a hyper-partisan shill like him to come back and play a game of scandal tit-for-tat with you.
As I've told you before, I'm not interested.
I do see a pattern here. That's why I mentioned Goodling, but it's not to change the subject to Bush.
The pattern occurs in the balance between the legislative and the executive. The pattern occurs in the political machinations around the majority's use (abuse?) of the legislative branch's investigative authority of the executive for political purposes.
You can't be, noone can be this clueless. Do you honestly think the legislature is investigating all of the scandals for no reason or even for political reasons. There has been hints of evidence of Obama's incompetence and lack of transparency since day one of his presidency. As things got worse it was alot more than just hints. Obama is terrified that they are going to find out the truth about Benghazi, as he should be. I guarantee if they get to the truth it will not only ruin his presidency but his legacy as well. He will also ruin his family. Now he's saying he has suspects in the Benghazi attack. Suspects he knows dang well he cannot extradite.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#162606 May 22, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I miss him too. But I think I understand. It is difficult (to tolerate the unbelievable defense of a president who not only is doing a poor job but is hurting this country and its people.
That is a key. We are not the same nation anymore and I'm not sure we can ever get it back. A short example. A few days ago an Ef-5 tornado (the worst with over 200 + winds) hit Ok. I'm active in one of Becks outreach groups that does whatever it can to help in times of need. In one day his group has raised over $1 million for people in the path of this storm. And the amount of pure hate toward Beck and his outreach is sad. In this very forum a poster said at times we should put policits aside. I agree. Its too bad that many can't and for some the most important thing is to win, even if we all lose.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162608 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know whether the IRS employee is making some kind of political statement about the inquiry or is genuinely concerned about self incrimination in criminal acts, but if I was to guess it would be the former.
"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me."

Yea, that seems like a political statement to me.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
I don't know if she CAN be fired for exercising her 5th amendment rights, although there are different rules for political appointees and civil service employees.
I'm not suggesting that she be fired for exercising her Fifth Amendment right of protection of self incrimination. I'm saying she should be fired for refusing to tell her employers,(us), what she's doing and has done for the $$$ that we're paying her.

In private industry you'd be fired instantly for refusing to tell your supervisor what you're doing, or how you've spent your time... especially if your group's output is/was causing major problems for your company.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
I'm only casually familiar with the legal precedents regarding exercising 5th amendment rights before Congress, but I think it mostly goes back to the 50s/McCarthy era.
As far as I'm concerned, EVERYBODY should be entitled to exercise their 5th Amendment right, we're probably in agreement there. However, nobody is entitled to a job where they're keeping what they contribute a secret from their employer... especially if their output appears to have created problems.

Nothing McCarthy about that. Joe McCarthy was looking into peoples private affiliations, the people's oversight committee wants to know what she did/does for the taxpayer's money for which she was/is paid. Nice try.

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Since: Mar 11

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#162610 May 22, 2013
Isn't the workings of the IRS supposed to be a matter of Public Record? If not, shouldn't it be?
Maybe I'm being petty here, but isn't her arrogance a bit much to take?"I'm just going to take the fifth, so can I just skip it?" Why not take the podium and give us all the finger?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162612 May 22, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Why shouldn't she get paid? She hasn't been found guilty of anything and before she's fired, a full investigation would have to be completed and she'd have to be found culpable.
She should be fired, and all pay cease, because she refuses to tell her employer,(the taxpayers), what she's done/doing for the taxpayer's money that she received/receives.
Lyndi wrote:
Here you go. This will make your day. The Department of Defense confirms that accused Fort Hood shooter Major Hasan has now been paid more than $278,000 since the Nov. 2009 shooting that left 13 dead and 32 injured. The Army said under the Military Code of Justice, Hasan’s salary cannot be suspended unless he is proven guilty.
My wife thought that was wrong too, but I disagreed with her. Major Hassan is still in the military and has not been found guilty. The basis of our legal system is that everyone is "INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty"...(except when dealing with the IRS). Until that time, he is entitled to his salary and benefits. I just wish the Army, and this administration, would get off their asses, and get that traitor on trial.

The other thing I'd like to see, as he is still in the military, make him adhere to military policies... I don't believe that beards are allowed.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/category/nidal-...
lisw

Wilmington, OH

#162614 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Not even close to what I said or what I mean.
Then enlighten us oh brilliant one. Tell us what you are saying and mean and skip the innuendo.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162616 May 22, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You need Karl or a hyper-partisan shill like him to come back and play a game of scandal tit-for-tat with you.
As I've told you before, I'm not interested.
I do see a pattern here. That's why I mentioned Goodling, but it's not to change the subject to Bush.
The pattern occurs in the balance between the legislative and the executive. The pattern occurs in the political machinations around the majority's use (abuse?) of the legislative branch's investigative authority of the executive for political purposes.
I know every investigation into your hero's administration is "political" to you, but don't you think that if some group in the Executive Branch started bundling all Muslims into relocation camps, that the Legislative Branch should investigate and challenge that policy... even if that branch were run by a majority of the opposing party?

Why do you think the Congress was given the power to impeach?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162617 May 22, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>You can't be, noone can be this clueless. Do you honestly think the legislature is investigating all of the scandals for no reason or even for political reasons. There has been hints of evidence of Obama's incompetence and lack of transparency since day one of his presidency. As things got worse it was alot more than just hints. Obama is terrified that they are going to find out the truth about Benghazi, as he should be. I guarantee if they get to the truth it will not only ruin his presidency but his legacy as well. He will also ruin his family. Now he's saying he has suspects in the Benghazi attack. Suspects he knows dang well he cannot extradite.
Here we sit, going on nine months after our Ambassador was murdered and we were run out of western Libya, and we still do not know where the pResident was that night, or what he was doing. barry might be able to claim ignorance about almost everything else Benghazi, but he should be able to tell us where he was, and what he was doing... most transparent administration my butt!
Roberta G

United States

#162618 May 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Wow.
You think I should stop "servicing" him?
What will I do with my kneepads?
What on earth are you talking about?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#162621 May 22, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>What on earth are you talking about?
I stand accused of performing a sex act on the President of the United States of America.

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