Bush is a hero

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#162467 May 20, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Of course you'd pass, same as the other Obama defenders. But the jury is still out on this one. Obama's not likely to be blamed, now looks like Morrel may go down instead. Even H Clinton may skate. Problem for Obama is that things are accruing rapidly.
I think there is too much background noise to focus on the important issues. There are bigger fish to fry then are on the menu.

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#162468 May 20, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Edited only to make room for my reply. The comment on which my truther comparison is not based on the facts surrounding Benghazi and/or 9/11. It's based on the following:
"Benghazi is it. the other [IRS controversy] is just getting people to pay attention to the left hand so they can't see what the right did. I hope the Republicans are not stupid enough to fall for it. The other scandals didn't need to come out it's just that we are getting close on Benghazi."

The IRS scandal as a false flag operation to distract people away from Benghazi? That's the kind of crackpot stuff truthers resort to.
Benghazi relates to 9/11 only in the sense that it was a terrorist attack. Scale alone makes any further comparison useless. Politically the appropriate comparisons would be to the Beirut (30 years ago last month) and Khobar Towers attacks. IMO, after both of those tragedies partisan desire to 'get' the Commander in Chief interfered with finding out what went wrong and who/what policies were responsible.

If I was interested in playing politics with Benghazi; specifically if I was interested in mounting a partisan defense of the Administration's handling of the events, I wouldn't have mentioned 9/11 at all. I would have brought up what they DID with 9/11, that being the Iraq War. With that I could play tit for tat with you: the 'sixteen words' in the 2003 State of the Union, the Secretary of State doing a song and dance at the U.N. yammering about audio tapes, blah-blah-blah yada-yada-yada etc.-etc.-etc.

As far as the silly 'secure the crime scene' stuff, if you actually need the differences between American and foreign soil explained to you - why are you trying to talk about this?
Willie, while I believe you sincerely don't want to play politics with Benghazi, don't you see that Obama and his administration DO? The American public has a legitimate right, and a real need to know what happened, and so far Obama & Co. have been anything but forthcoming. So far, getting real, concrete information from them has been about like extracting a tooth from a lion's jaw with pliers: it can be done, but it's painfully slow, and boy, is it tricky.

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#162469 May 20, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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You're just a political horsefly with NO solutions to anything.
I haven't seen YOU propose any solutions to anything.

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#162470 May 20, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
Have a wonderful day all!:)
And you too, Chaumette :)

If you look back at the beginning of this very long thread, you'll see that it's been running for six or seven years now, well before Bush left office. That's where the name comes from. I'm pretty sure that I myself am the only thread regular who still considers George W. Bush to be a hero (note, I said "hero," not "perfect"). That is because unlike either Clinton or Obama, Bush was willing to sacrifice his personal popularity, etc. in order to do what he believed was best for the nation. While I agree he made serious mistakes, I truly admire someone who will do what's right, regardless of what it costs him.

Having said that, however, the focus of this thread has long since moved past Bush, even for me. Current events is the real focus.

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#162471 May 20, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Your truther comparison is ridiculous and isn't remotely valid. There is no comparison.
But I'm sure the comparison makes sense to both Willie and WIR, even if nobody else sees it.

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#162472 May 20, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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Why we have an american consulate in bengazi in the first place is a better question. We are in too many places for these things not to happen. It's inevitable.
Like hell it is.

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#162473 May 20, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Your truther comparison is ridiculous and isn't remotely valid. There is no comparison.
This administration erred BEFORE the Benghazi attack by ignoring frantic requests for additional security which were subsequently denied or ignored. This administration did not have military plans in place or any contingency plan in place DURING the attack and this administration lied repeatedly to the American public, and the world AFTER the attack.
Before, during and after. Screw up, screw up, screw up.
There are no 911 truther congressional hearings, the Bush WH was not forced into giving up nonexistent "truther" emails unlike the request made to the Obama WH and in case you didn't know, they have only (begrudgingly) relinquished 100; holding onto an additional 25,000. We know where Bush was during the attack, we don't know where Obama was during the attack......tough question I guess, the 911 crime scenes did not remain unsecured, while the Benghazi crime scene was unsecured for 2 weeks. Post 911 we had our people on site immediately and the FBI wasn't even permitted to go to Benghazi for 18 days and by then Libyans had already taken souvenirs from the facility, trampled through it and had picnics in there. The Bush administration sent out the big dogs after the attack to speak to Americans... Bush himself, Cheney, Colin Powell etc. all from the upper tier of the administration, they didn't send out a nothing ambassador to the UN to do the Sunday morning talk show circuit yammering about a video and reciting rehearsed and severely altered talking points from an original CIA report.
The list goes on and on and on and there is no comparison with idiot truthers babbling about melting buildings and who was REALLY flying those planes and the United States Congress trying to conduct an in depth investigation with a very, very reluctant White House.
But nice try Willie....your comparison is adorable! Phoney as a thirteen dollar bill but adorable nevertheless.
The one comment by the administration that I continue to find priceless was the "We didn't have enough time to get troops to Benghazi in time to support the consulate." (I'm paraphrasing, as I don't feel like looking for the exact quote.) But, seriously, ho did they know how much time hey needed? Was obama on the phone with al-qaida? Only al-qaida knew when the attack would end, not barry, Hillary or Leon. obama should have sent whatever qualified troops were available as soon as possible, and ended the attack on our terms, not al-qaida's.

On 9/11, and once the President knew the USA was under attack, George Bush made the decision to stop the attacks on our terms, taking that decision out of the hands of the terrorist, and ordered all commercial/private aircraft IMMEDIATELY grounded.

President Bush eliminated the possibility of further attacks, obama left that decision up to the attackers. No plausible comparison whatsoever... except in the mind of Wille and WIR!

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#162474 May 20, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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Why we have an american consulate in bengazi in the first place is a better question. We are in too many places for these things not to happen. It's inevitable.
We're just lucky that we caught al-qaida off-guard. Had the terrorists known that the obama administration wouldn't come to the aid of their foreign stations and people, they would have probably attacked in many, many more places.

Here it is, over eight months later, and nobody has been brought to justice, and the obama administration is still trying to sweep the attack under the rug... even to the point of attacking those that are trying to tell the truth about the attack.

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#162475 May 20, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Willie, while I believe you sincerely don't want to play politics with Benghazi, don't you see that Obama and his administration DO? The American public has a legitimate right, and a real need to know what happened, and so far Obama & Co. have been anything but forthcoming. So far, getting real, concrete information from them has been about like extracting a tooth from a lion's jaw with pliers: it can be done, but it's painfully slow, and boy, is it tricky.
I don't see that the Obama administration is 'playing politics' with Benghazi any more than is normal a) in a system where politics is an integral part of how we're governed, and b) in the face of an opposition that, once convinced they've got their gotcha, will never be satisfied with any answers the Administration gives that does not support the hyper-negative conclusion reached in advance.

What the House is doing now with Benghazi is nothing more and nothing less than what a Democratic-controlled House would have done eight years ago (when it became impossible to deny the occupation had gone to hell in a hand-made neocon hand basket) to President Bush over Iraq.

An inquiry run by the Democrats eight years ago would have accomplished nothing, because it would have been motivated as much or more to 'bringing the President down' as to figuring out what went wrong in Iraq.

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#162476 May 20, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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But I'm sure the comparison makes sense to both Willie and WIR, even if nobody else sees it.
No, that's enough, lets not overdo it...

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#162477 May 20, 2013
bad bob wrote:
Obama admin spied on Fox News reporter.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-admi...
This isn't the nation I was born in anymore. I've lost any hope for it at this point. Half the people here just don't care, don't give a damn. They think the freedom we have is a given. Its not. What a sad thing to witness.

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#162478 May 20, 2013
Washington Times columnist Joseph Curl on Monday said the Obama administration’s developing scandal involving the monitoring of Fox News reporter James Rosen’s email accounts goes “much deeper.”

Citing a “CIA source,” Curl claimed via his official Twitter account that the Fox News scandal was the “4th Shoe” and the White House is sitting on “something” that has top White House aides “terrified.”

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#162479 May 20, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
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Why we have an american consulate in bengazi in the first place is a better question. We are in too many places for these things not to happen. It's inevitable.
The consulate in Benghazi was just a place from which Amb Stevens
would be better able to carry on in his outreach endeavors with the general Libyan populace. And he was evidently making huge inroads to that purpose when he was murdered by terrorist cowards. Many Libyans turned out to mourn the loss of Stevens.

Apparently he felt confident enough to leave the relative safety of his Embassy in Tripoli, but I believe at least one of his advisors should have (if they didn't) mentioned the possibility of a 9/11 anniversary attack, and to be wary of that possibility, especially with what was happening in Cairo. I guess they could have figured an attack would be more likely in Tripoli, as to why they went to Benghazi,we may never know.

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#162480 May 20, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see that the Obama administration is 'playing politics' with Benghazi any more than is normal a) in a system where politics is an integral part of how we're governed, and b) in the face of an opposition that, once convinced they've got their gotcha, will never be satisfied with any answers the Administration gives that does not support the hyper-negative conclusion reached in advance.

What the House is doing now with Benghazi is nothing more and nothing less than what a Democratic-controlled House would have done eight years ago (when it became impossible to deny the occupation had gone to hell in a hand-made neocon hand basket) to President Bush over Iraq.

An inquiry run by the Democrats eight years ago would have accomplished nothing, because it would have been motivated as much or more to 'bringing the President down' as to figuring out what went wrong in Iraq.
Keep thinking that, Willie: " nothing more and nothing less than what a Democratic-controlled House would have done eight years ago"

I COULD say something about bobble-head dolls here, but that would be rude.

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#162481 May 20, 2013
Yellow Stain is Back wrote:
<quoted text>You're just a political horsefly with NO solutions to anything.
What do you mean I have no solutions to anything? I've been giving solutions, you're simply too obtuse to understand the solution. Just for you, let me make it perfectly clear... KICK THE DEMOCRATS OUT OF OFFICE. If we get rid of obama and the Democrats, our economy will improve quickly and dramatically... no more "obama recovery", that ain't!

Maybe this forum is much too advanced for the simple liberal mind.

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#162482 May 20, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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The consulate in Benghazi was just a place from which Amb Stevens
would be better able to carry on in his outreach endeavors with the general Libyan populace. And he was evidently making huge inroads to that purpose when he was murdered by terrorist cowards. Many Libyans turned out to mourn the loss of Stevens.

Apparently he felt confident enough to leave the relative safety of his Embassy in Tripoli, but I believe at least one of his advisors should have (if they didn't) mentioned the possibility of a 9/11 anniversary attack, and to be wary of that possibility, especially with what was happening in Cairo. I guess they could have figured an attack would be more likely in Tripoli, as to why they went to Benghazi,we may never know.
Stevens seems to have been a good man, one who genuinely cared about Libya AND America. The more I hear of him, the more I realize the loss we have suffered.

If I had been Stevens, when the extra security I requested was not only denied, but current security REDUCED, I would have resigned effectively immediately and flown home. But hindsight is 20/20. It's too late for him, but I'm betting no other ambassador who finds a request for extra security denied will stay on the job 24 hours past receiving the denial.

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#162483 May 20, 2013
Yellow Stain is Back wrote:
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Why we have an american consulate in bengazi in the first place is a better question. We are in too many places for these things not to happen. It's inevitable.
I wasn't aware that we have an American Consulate in Benghazi. I thought al-qaida ran this administraton out of Benghazi several months ago.

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#162486 May 20, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see that the Obama administration is 'playing politics' with Benghazi any more than is normal a) in a system where politics is an integral part of how we're governed, and b) in the face of an opposition that, once convinced they've got their gotcha, will never be satisfied with any answers the Administration gives that does not support the hyper-negative conclusion reached in advance.
What the House is doing now with Benghazi is nothing more and nothing less than what a Democratic-controlled House would have done eight years ago (when it became impossible to deny the occupation had gone to hell in a hand-made neocon hand basket) to President Bush over Iraq.
An inquiry run by the Democrats eight years ago would have accomplished nothing, because it would have been motivated as much or more to 'bringing the President down' as to figuring out what went wrong in Iraq.
You sound almost as pathetic as that poor slob that the administration sent out on the Sunday morning talk shows to try to defend last week's disasters. Why does this administration insist on sending out people that weren't in the loop, and don't know what went on? They only regurgitate the administration's talking points, but other than that, they know nothing except what they've been told to say. First Susan Rice, then Jay Carney, and now Dan Pfeiffer... administration puppets all.

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#162489 May 20, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently he felt confident enough to leave the relative safety of his Embassy in Tripoli, but I believe at least one of his advisors should have (if they didn't) mentioned the possibility of a 9/11 anniversary attack, and to be wary of that possibility, especially with what was happening in Cairo. I guess they could have figured an attack would be more likely in Tripoli, as to why they went to Benghazi,we may never know.
If al-qaida ever decides to return the documents that they took when they ran us out of Benghazi, we may find out the answer. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm glad al-qaida allowed us to have the bodies of our dead to take home.
Lyndi

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#162491 May 20, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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Why does this administration insist on sending out people that weren't in the loop, and don't know what went on?
That one's easy. They're dispensable. They're a dime a dozen and they can be replaced. Susan Rice doesn't have the value Hillary Clinton has which is precisely why Hillary Clinton didn't do the Sunday morning talk show circuit regarding Benghazi. Too risky for the heir to the throne to stick her neck out like that.
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Different topic but along the same creepy lines.
Do you know who outed the IRS story?
The IRS.
Do you know why I think they may have sprung their own scandal?
To perpetuate fear particularly among republicans all geared toward the 2014 elections.
Here's the scenario. The average American has a healthy fear of the IRS anyway. Everyone dreads the men in black suits ringing their doorbell and announcing an audit. No one messes with the IRS without losing sleep, most Americans take pains to do their taxes carefully because they ARE the political boogymen and they do strike a note of nervousness in most taxpayers. The taxman cometh and all that.

Now we have a situation where republican organizations, religious organizations, Tea Party organizations, conservative groups AND individuals have been targeted HARD. How do you think that will play to the public when it comes to writing a check or making a donation to the republican party when the 2014 campaigning begins? I'll tell you. It's going to make alot of people not write a check. It's going to make alot of people shake their heads "no" the next time their conservative candidate asks for a contribution. They have their families to consider, their jobs, a mortgage etc. and people who normally participate by send $$$'s will think twice because they don't want to wind up red flagged by the already scary and now even scarier ---> IRS.
How does that help liberals if contributions by republicans are way down? lol- It's a no-brainer.

It's called soft tyranny and it might be playing at a theater near you.

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