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“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162149 May 13, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I can't help but be reminded of OJ Simpson and his wife's murder and then the storming of a hotel to retrieve his belongings. He got off on the first and on the second claimed he didn't know he was doing anything wrong. Sounds an awful lot like Obama, Benghazi and the IRS.(BTW did you know that when a leather glove gets wet, like with water or blood, it shrinks, alot! But if it doesn't fit you must acquit.)
Hadn't even considered the possibility of a glove shrinking like that Lis. Wonder why one of the prosecutors didn't bring that up during trial, after OJ's glove "demonstration".

I know you can also make your hand bigger using the small muscles and widening your fingers to make it look like a glove is too small.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162150 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Your not going to 'scare off insurgents' with an aircraft so high that the insurgents don't know where or how high it is, bob.
You also have to be accurate enough to make sure it's the insurgents you're attacking, not the friendlies. You hit too far away and you don't delay them at all, especially if it's only one or two supersonic aircraft targeting a comparatively small area (surrounding a building or complex, for example).
The job you're asking them to do amounts to close in support, which can't be done from height. That's why Gates talked about SAMs. I'm assuming they have measures to take against heat seeking weapons, but the lower you are the less effective those are if only because you have far less time to detect and deploy.
(Last duty station in the Navy was with a tactical air control squadron at the Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, charged with directing air support during an amphibious landing or the ubiquitous 'other missions as assigned', which even back in '83 was taking up far more of our time (training and real world) than preparing to storm the beaches.)
Yes, I know - we have a lot more capabilities now than we did when I was involved, but the basic principles are the same, and most of the high tech weapons aren't designed for counterinsurgency.
I still believe laser-guided or other bombs could have been placed close enough to the outside (putting the insurgents between the facility and the blasts) to run 'em off.

Not that I don't believe what you said here may be true. But I would be interested in hearing what some of the experts have to say about it.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#162151 May 13, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I can't help but be reminded of OJ Simpson and his wife's murder and then the storming of a hotel to retrieve his belongings. He got off on the first and on the second claimed he didn't know he was doing anything wrong. Sounds an awful lot like Obama, Benghazi and the IRS.(BTW did you know that when a leather glove gets wet, like with water or blood, it shrinks, alot! But if it doesn't fit you must acquit.)
Really? So I was 4 months old when Nixon left office but I know some history. I've thought for a while Obama was like him with his enemies list and calling out private citizens. I think part of it is little shocks us anymore. Some kids get mowed down at a grade school and within mins. its the same crap and blame game. I think the only thing this reminds me of concerning OJ is the pride involved for whoever did this at the Irs and up. This is the gov of the U.S.A. going after private citizens. Granted we do have a potus right now that at least winks at this so we will see if the people care or not? I mean its only those crazy loons on the right. Until its not.

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#162152 May 13, 2013
None of it matters, anyway, does it? Hasn't the IRS been immune from prosecution from day one of it's inception?
However. The question still stands. Who would benefit from the action?
HipGnosis

Altona, IL

#162153 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I still believe laser-guided or other bombs could have been placed close enough to the outside (putting the insurgents between the facility and the blasts) to run 'em off.
Not that I don't believe what you said here may be true.

But I would be interested in hearing what some of the experts have to say about it.
'Cos SecDef is just another joe's opinion....

Since: Apr 07

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#162154 May 13, 2013
FINALLY :)

First things first. Kat, I’m sorry it’s taken me this long to answer your original question. Life gets in the way sometimes :s

What I have been trying to do with these posts (although with a long interruption) is to demonstrate the strong ties, both formal and informal between Barack Obama and George Soros. I am NOT debating policy in this post, as I can devote other posts to that, and every regular on this thread is pretty much aware of where I stand anyway.

MORE GEORGE SOROS-SUBSIDIZED ORGANIZATIONS:

I may have inadvertently repeated a few of these from my last post. If I did, sorry about that.
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JOINT VICTORY CAMPAIGN 2004: Founded by George Soros and Harold Ickes, this group was a major fundraising entity for Democrats during the 2004 election cycle. It collected contributions (including large amounts from Soros personally) and disbursed them to two other groups, America Coming Together and the Media Fund, which also worked on behalf of Democrats.

League of United Latin American Citizens:…views America as a nation plagued by "an alarming increase in xenophobia and anti-Hispanic sentiment"; favors racial preferences; supports the legalization of illegal Hispanic aliens; opposes military surveillance of U.S. borders; opposes making English America's official language; favors open borders; and rejects anti-terrorism legislation like the Patriot Act.

League of Women Voters Education Fund:…supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; supports "motor-voter" registration, which allows anyone with a driver's license to become a voter, regardless of citizenship status; and supports tax hikes and socialized medicine.

LYNNE STEWART DEFENSE COMMITTEE: IRS records indicate that Soros's Open Society Institute made a September 2002 grant of $20,000 to this organization. Stewart was the criminal-defense attorney who was later convicted for abetting her client, the "blind sheik" Omar Abdel Rahman, in terrorist activities connected with his Islamic Group.

Malcolm X Grassroots Movement:…views the U.S. as a nation replete with racism and discrimination against blacks; seeks to establish an independent black nation in the southeastern United States; and demands reparations for slavery.

Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition:…calls for the expansion of civil rights and liberties for illegal aliens; laments that illegal aliens in America are commonly subjected to "worker exploitation"; supports tuition-assistance programs for illegal aliens attending college; and characterizes the Patriot Act as a "very troubling" assault on civil liberties.

MEDIA FUND: Soros played a major role in creating this group, whose purpose was to conceptualize, produce, and place political ads on television, radio, print, and the Internet.

MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA:…is a "web-based, not-for-profit … progressive research and information center" seeking to "systematically monitor a cross-section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation."

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#162155 May 13, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
The presidential 2nd term curse.
1) Benghazi
2) IRS
3)?
One more whopper and we'll have ourselves a hat trick.
3) Dept of Justice SECRETLY collects phone records of AP Reporters

"Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel" -Mark Twain

This may become barry's Waterloo. This action by the obama administration could even wind up pissing off his loyal stenographers in the main-stream media.

Since: Apr 07

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#162156 May 13, 2013
(Continued)

Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund:...advocates open borders, free college tuition for illegal aliens, lowered educational standards to accommodate Hispanics, and voting rights for criminals. In MALDEF's view, supporters of making English the official language of the United States are "motivated by racism and anti-immigrant sentiments," while advocates of sanctions against employers reliant on illegal labor seek to discriminate against "brown-skinned people."

MIDWEST ACADEMY:…trains radical activists in the tactics of direct action, targeting, confrontation, and intimidation.

Military Families Speak Out: This group ascribes the U.S. invasion of Iraq to American imperialism and lust for oil.

MOVEON.ORG : This Web-based organization supports Democratic political candidates through fundraising, advertising, and get-out-the-vote drives.

NARAL Pro-Choice America:…supports taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand, and works to elect pro-abortion Democrats.

NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund:…supports racial preferences in employment and education, as well as the racial gerrymandering of voting districts. Underpinning its support for race preferences is the fervent belief that white racism in the United States remains an intractable, largely undiminished, phenomenon.

Planned Parenthood: This group is the largest abortion provider in the United States and advocates taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand.

Presidential Climate Action Project: PCAP's mission is to create a new 21st-century economy, completely carbon-free and based largely on renewable energy. A key advisor to the organization is the revolutionary communist Van Jones.

Prison Moratorium Project:...was created in 1995 for the express purpose of working for the elimination of all prisons in the United States and the release of all inmates. Reasoning from the premise that incarceration is never an appropriate means of dealing with crime, it deems American society's inherent inequities the root of all criminal behavior.

Progressive States Network: PSN's mission is to "pass progressive legislation in all fifty states by providing coordinated research and strategic advocacy tools to forward-thinking state legislators."

*****Project Vote: This is the voter-mobilization arm of the Soros-funded ACORN. A persistent pattern of lawlessness and corruption has followed ACORN/Project Vote activities over the years.*****

Public Citizen Foundation:...seeks increased government intervention and litigation against corporations -- a practice founded on the notion that American corporations, like the capitalist system of which they are a part, are inherently inclined toward corruption.

Sentencing Project: Asserting that prison-sentencing patterns are racially discriminatory, this initiative advocates voting rights for felons.

Sojourners: This evangelical Christian ministry preaches radical leftwing politics. During the 1980s it championed Communist revolution in Central America and chastised U.S. policy-makers for their tendency "to assume the very worst about their Soviet counterparts." More recently, Sojourners has taken up the cause of environmental activism, opposed welfare reform as a "mean-spirited Republican agenda," and mounted a defense of affirmative action.

Since: Apr 07

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#162157 May 13, 2013
(Continued)

Southern Poverty Law Center:...monitors the activities of what it calls “hate groups” in the United States. It exaggerates the prevalence of white racism directed against American minorities.

Thunder Road Group: This political consultancy, in whose creation Soros had a hand, coordinates strategy for the Media Fund, America Coming Together, and America Votes. Tides Foundation and Tides Center: Tides is a major funder of the radical Left.

Universal Healthcare Action Network:...supports a single-payer health care system controlled by the federal government.

Urban Institute: This research organization favors socialized medicine, expansion of the federal welfare bureaucracy, and tax hikes for higher income-earners.

USAction Education Fund: USAction lists its priorities as: "fighting the right wing agenda"; "building grassroots political power"; …supporting a system of taxpayer-funded socialized medicine; reversing "reckless tax cuts…" which shield the "wealthy" from paying their "fair share"; advocating for "pro-consumer and environmental regulation of corporate abuse"; …and working to "register, educate and get out the vote ...[to] help progressives get elected at all levels of government."

Working Families Party: An outgrowth of the socialist New Party, WFP seeks to help push the Democratic Party toward the left.

YWCA World Office, Switzerland: The YWCA opposes abstinence education; supports universal access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; and opposes school vouchers.

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From ”THE SHARED AGENDAS OF GEORGE SOROS AND BARACK OBAMA”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcat...

...[Soros] looked toward the…presidential election of 2008 with great anticipation, eagerly awaiting the day when George W. Bush would finally leave office…In recent years, all indications had been that Soros favored Hillary Clinton above most…other potential Democratic candidates for President. But now there was a new face on the scene¯a young, charismatic U.S. senator from Illinois named Barack Obama¯who seemed not only to share virtually all of Soros's values and agendas, but also appeared to be a highly skilled politician who stood a good chance of getting elected to the nation's highest office.

In December of 2006, Soros, who had previously hosted a fundraiser for Obama during the latter's 2004 Senate campaign, met with Obama in Soros's New York office. Just a few weeks later¯on January 16, 2007¯Obama announced that he would form a presidential exploratory committee…Within hours, Soros sent the senator a contribution of $2,100, the maximum amount allowable… the New York Daily News reported that Soros would support Obama rather than Hillary Clinton...though Soros pledged to back the New York senator were she to emerge as the nominee. But it was clear that Soros considered Obama to be the more electable candidate of the two. MOST IMPORTANTLY, OBAMA’S ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL PRESCRIPTIONS FOR AMERICA WERE WHOLLY ACCORDANT WITH THOSE OF SOROS.

…Soros [has proposed] a worldwide war on poverty that would transform the entire planet into a global welfare state, a sort of open-society alliance where “a kind of international central bank” could redistribute wealth from rich populations to poor ones…

…George Soros sees “the global capitalist system in its present form” as “a distortion of what ought to be a global open society.” He suggests that if the “market fundamentalism in America” were “eliminated,” then “the public interest would be better served” by way of “a more equal distribution of wealth.”…

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#162158 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Your not going to 'scare off insurgents' with an aircraft so high that the insurgents don't know where or how high it is, bob.
You also have to be accurate enough to make sure it's the insurgents you're attacking, not the friendlies. You hit too far away and you don't delay them at all, especially if it's only one or two supersonic aircraft targeting a comparatively small area (surrounding a building or complex, for example).
The job you're asking them to do amounts to close in support, which can't be done from height. That's why Gates talked about SAMs. I'm assuming they have measures to take against heat seeking weapons, but the lower you are the less effective those are if only because you have far less time to detect and deploy.
(Last duty station in the Navy was with a tactical air control squadron at the Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, charged with directing air support during an amphibious landing or the ubiquitous 'other missions as assigned', which even back in '83 was taking up far more of our time (training and real world) than preparing to storm the beaches.)
Yes, I know - we have a lot more capabilities now than we did when I was involved, but the basic principles are the same, and most of the high tech weapons aren't designed for counterinsurgency.
My Naval assignment was to knock aircraft out of the sky. What I found troubling was that the aircraft had anti-ship missles that had much longer range than our anti-aircraft missles.(The aircraft could fire at us before we could fire at them). Saddam found out that we had that capability too.

Apparently the sky wasn't dangerous for the two unarmed drones we had flying over the consulate to send video back to the State Dept and the WH. Why would we bother getting our planes in range of their anti-air missles. They were being laser painted, use our smart missles to take them out... you don't need to wait until you see the whites of their eyes anymore.

But, one thing you do need to do... put the attack aircraft in the air.

Since: Apr 07

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#162159 May 13, 2013
(Continued)

Southern Poverty Law Center:…monitors the activities of what it calls “hate groups” in the United States. It exaggerates the prevalence of white racism directed against American minorities.

Thunder Road Group: This political consultancy, in whose creation Soros had a hand, coordinates strategy for the Media Fund, America Coming Together, and America Votes. Tides Foundation and Tides Center: Tides is a major funder of the radical Left.

Universal Healthcare Action Network: This organization supports a single-payer health care system controlled by the federal government.

Urban Institute: This research organization favors socialized medicine, expansion of the federal welfare bureaucracy, and tax hikes for higher income-earners.

USAction Education Fund: USAction lists its priorities as: "fighting the right wing agenda"; "building grassroots political power"; …supporting a system of taxpayer-funded socialized medicine; reversing "reckless tax cuts…" which shield the "wealthy" from paying their "fair share"; advocating for "pro-consumer and environmental regulation of corporate abuse"; …and working to "register, educate and get out the vote ...[to] help progressives get elected at all levels of government."

Working Families Party: An outgrowth of the socialist New Party, WFP seeks to help push the Democratic Party toward the left.

YWCA World Office, Switzerland:…opposes abstinence education; supports universal access to taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand; and opposes school vouchers.

__________

From ”THE SHARED AGENDAS OF GEORGE SOROS AND BARACK OBAMA”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcat...

...[Soros] looked toward the…presidential election of 2008 with great anticipation, eagerly awaiting the day when George W. Bush would finally leave office…In recent years, all indications had been that Soros favored Hillary Clinton above most…other potential Democratic candidates for President. But now there was a new face on the scene¯a young, charismatic U.S. senator from Illinois named Barack Obama¯who seemed not only to share virtually all of Soros's values and agendas, but also appeared to be a highly skilled politician who stood a good chance of getting elected to the nation's highest office.

In December of 2006, Soros, who had previously hosted a fundraiser for Obama during the latter's 2004 Senate campaign, met with Obama in Soros's New York office. Just a few weeks later¯on January 16, 2007¯Obama announced that he would form a presidential exploratory committee…Within hours, Soros sent the senator a contribution of $2,100, the maximum amount allowable… the New York Daily News reported that Soros would support Obama rather than Hillary Clinton...though Soros pledged to back the New York senator were she to emerge as the nominee. But it was clear that Soros considered Obama to be the more electable candidate of the two. MOST IMPORTANTLY, OBAMA’S ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL PRESCRIPTIONS FOR AMERICA WERE WHOLLY ACCORDANT WITH THOSE OF SOROS.

Since: Apr 07

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#162160 May 13, 2013
Sorry for the double post, folks.
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(Continued from ”THE SHARED AGENDAS OF GEORGE SOROS AND BARACK OBAMA”)

…Soros [has proposed] a worldwide war on poverty that would transform the entire planet into a global welfare state, a sort of open-society alliance where “a kind of international central bank” could redistribute wealth from rich populations to poor ones…

…George Soros sees “the global capitalist system in its present form” as “a distortion of what ought to be a global open society.” He suggests that if the “market fundamentalism in America” were “eliminated,” then “the public interest would be better served” by way of “a more equal distribution of wealth.”…

…Soros's desire for a worldwide welfare structure is consistent with his general preference for some form of global government. In 1998 he wrote that “insofar as there are collective interests that transcend state boundaries, the sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.”“The greatest opposition to this idea,” he added somberly,“is coming from the United States.”

…This call for increased “foreign influence” in American political life is congruent with President Obama's position on the matter. In March 2009, for instance, Obama appointed Harold Koh, the dean of Yale Law School, as legal advisor to the U.S. State Department. Koh is an advocate of transnationalism, a concept arguing in favor of “global governance” AS OPPOSED TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL SOVEREIGNTY of independent nation-states. This perspective holds that the world's most challenging problems are too complex…for any single country to address effectively on its own. The solution, says Koh, is for all members of the international community to recognize a set of supranational laws and institutions whose authority overrides those of any particular government.

In March 2007, Koh chastised the U.S. for having “unwisely disengaged from…institutions that promote fundamental human rights, chief among them the International Criminal Court [which would subordinate American criminal-justice procedures in certain cases to those of an international tribunal] and the newly established Human Rights Council” of the United Nations¯A COUNCIL WHOSE MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES A NUMBER OF NATIONS KNOWN FOR THEIR UNRESTRAINED ANTI-SEMITISM AND HUMAN-RIGHTS ABUSES. President Obama ultimately announced, in 2009, that the U.S. would join the Council for the first time. In November 2010, this Council made headlines when it harshly berated America for its alleged discrimination against Muslims, its barbaric police practices, its use of torture against enemies abroad, and its religious intolerance.

…Just a few days after Barack Obama was elected President, George Soros stated:“I think we need a large stimulus package which will provide funds for state and local government to maintain their budgets because they are not allowed by the constitution to run a deficit…the federal government would need to provide hundreds of billions of dollars…In total, the cost would be in the 300 to 600 billion-dollar range....”

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Labor Participation Rate 63.0%

#162161 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The ghost of Vince Foster is warning you to leave him out of this discussion.
;-)
I forgot how Hillary was busy removing Vince's records before anyone sealed his office, or could see them. Thanks for reminding me how sneaky she is.

Wanna talk about the copies of the Rose Law Firm billing records that mysteriously turned up on a table in Mrs Clinton's private area of the WH next? Or how about the 900 or so raw FBI files on Clinton's Republican opponents that they had?

Since: Apr 07

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#162162 May 13, 2013
(Continued from ”THE SHARED AGENDAS OF GEORGE SOROS AND BARACK OBAMA”)

Soon thereafter, as one of the first priorities of his presidency, Obama pressured Congress to pass a monumental $787 billion economic-stimulus bill whose text was 1,071 pages long¬ and which few, if any, legislators read before voting on it. Obama stressed the urgency of passing this bill at the earliest possible moment…Notably, the legislation repealed numerous essentials of the 1996 welfare-reform bill against which George Soros had so strongly rebelled. According to a Heritage Foundation report, 32 percent of the new stimulus bill—or an average of $6,700 in “new means-tested welfare spending” for every poor person in the U.S.—was earmarked for social-welfare programs. Such unprecedented levels of spending did not at all trouble Soros, who said:“At times of recession, running a budget deficit is highly desirable.” In December 2009, Obama concurred again—outlining a set of new multibillion-dollar stimulus and jobs proposals while explaining that America must continue to “spend our way out of this recession.
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(CONCLUSION)

Now, I could have posted a lot more from this particular website or the others I’ve found, but I trust I’ve made my point. Make no mistake about it, Kat: Soros is the spider at the center of a very large, very well-funded, very leftist web.

Soros is a traitor. T-R-A-I-T-O-R. EVERYTHING he stands for, everything he says, everything he supports with his money and his power is aimed at undermining this nation.

I am not one of those people who sees a plot under every bush, a conspiracy behind every tree. I believe Oswald acted alone, America did not attack itself on September 11, 2001 and FDR did not know about, let alone connive at the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. I don’t believe HIV was developed to kill blacks. I don’t even believe the astronauts that have landed on the moon were either privy to or victims of a conspiracy to make people think the moon landing(s) were just highly convincing uses of Hollywood-type special effects: I think the moon landings really DID happen.

But in this particular case, I think there really IS a conspiracy. Soros is indeed actively working to make America a communist, welfare state, and part of a larger One World Government.(Now, THAT part I’ve only just learned—by golly, some people really ARE trying to create a OWG. Who’da thunk it??)

Kat, your original question to me “Why do you believe Obama is Soros’ puppet?” or words to that effect (I’m not going back to double-check). He is definitely Soros’ INSTRUMENT. He shares Soros’ political agenda to the extent that if Soros were to vanish into thin air tomorrow, Obama’s goals for this nation would not be the least bit affected. Summing up, I don’t know that Obama is Soros’ PUPPET, as such. I think it’s more accurate to say that Obama is Soros’ EMPLOYEE.

Since: Apr 07

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#162163 May 13, 2013
I gotta say--BOY, am I glad I've finally got that done :)

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162164 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Hadn't even considered the possibility of a glove shrinking like that Lis.
Obviously, you're not familiar with shoveling wet snow. You have to work to stretch out your gloves so they again fit, once they got wet, and then dried.

Don't forget, he tried thegloves on while wearing latex gloves... more friction. There was no chance of those gloves looking like they fit him.

Since: Apr 07

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#162165 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
3) Dept of Justice SECRETLY collects phone records of AP Reporters
"Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel" -Mark Twain
This may become barry's Waterloo. This action by the obama administration could even wind up pissing off his loyal stenographers in the main-stream media.
It could indeed. Any politician, regardless of party affiliation, who picks on one of the media's own, might as well fall on his own sword. I honestly think that is the ONE & ONLY thing the media will not tolerate from any politician, no matter who the pol is. Not even rock-star media-darling Obama :)

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#162166 May 13, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I can't help but be reminded of OJ Simpson and his wife's murder and then the storming of a hotel to retrieve his belongings. He got off on the first and on the second claimed he didn't know he was doing anything wrong. Sounds an awful lot like Obama, Benghazi and the IRS.(BTW did you know that when a leather glove gets wet, like with water or blood, it shrinks, alot! But if it doesn't fit you must acquit.)
I think that's where the prosecution really messed up.#1--an expert in leather goods should have given his professional opinions, etc. about the gloves.#2) Simpson drew on the gloves himself at the trial. As a lawyer friend of mine told me, they should have been put on him by a BAILIFF. How easy it must have been for Simpson to pretend they didn't fit :P

Too bad Leroy Jethro Gibbs didn't have charge of gathering evidence ;)

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162167 May 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that's where the prosecution really messed up.#1--an expert in leather goods should have given his professional opinions, etc. about the gloves.#2) Simpson drew on the gloves himself at the trial. As a lawyer friend of mine told me, they should have been put on him by a BAILIFF. How easy it must have been for Simpson to pretend they didn't fit :P
Too bad Leroy Jethro Gibbs didn't have charge of gathering evidence ;)
Gibbs' hand would have been beet red from all the head slaps.

“Mean People Suck”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162168 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
<FOLLOW UP>
Just learned that the estimated time of arrival for a fighter squadron out of Sigonella NAS, near Catania (Sicily), to Benghazi Libya was between 23-25 minutes.
I believe that Africom dropped the ball, and if a terrorist attack was ongoing for 6-7 hours or more, should have requested air strikes. I understand Gates' reluctance, but with the US's high tech in both munitions and pilot radar alerts to avoid incoming SAM missiles, using countermeasures, etc., I don't think the risk was a nearly as high as "advertised.
You're putting your DESIRE for something to have been done (or done wrong) so far beyond our actual capabilities that it's not funny, especially the ease with which you dismiss the threat of SAMs, but I'll play along.

Was there a fighter squadron at Sig (there usually isn't)? What was its ready status (time required to launch)? How were the planes configured and armed, and (if necessary) how long would it take them to be ready for the mission you're tasking them with? What provisions had been made for refueling, if necessary? What intel did we have on SAMs among the militias active in Libya? What intel did we have on the relative positions of the good guys and bad guys (assuming the most positive arrangement of all the questions before, the most critical question of all)?

You have answers to those questions, bob - or is all you've got "well, we're good and we got good stuff and we shoulda done something" going for you?

Without answers to those questions, bob, you might as well re-fight the Battle of Midway or better penetrate the airspace around Hanoi during Rolling Thunder.

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