Bush is a hero

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Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162080 May 12, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read the comments Hip posted from Robert Gates, bob?
Interesting as those comments were, Gate's who I have much respect for, sits behind a big desk in Washington.

IINM, at least one of the 4 victims was with Special Forces which had a number of men a couple miles from the "facility" in Benghazi.
He was ordered not to go try and help Stevens, but went anyway and lost his life.

How many other SF members were ready & willing to go, I don't know.

And I'm sure everyone including Gates knows the US has high-tech aircraft and weapons capability, easily able to avoid any POSSIBLE SAM missile strikes.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162083 May 12, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting as those comments were, Gate's who I have much respect for, sits behind a big desk in Washington.
IINM, at least one of the 4 victims was with Special Forces which had a number of men a couple miles from the "facility" in Benghazi.
He was ordered not to go try and help Stevens, but went anyway and lost his life.
How many other SF members were ready & willing to go, I don't know.
And I'm sure everyone including Gates knows the US has high-tech aircraft and weapons capability, easily able to avoid any POSSIBLE SAM missile strikes.
But bob, what Gates did behind that big desk is make decisions like the one under discussion here.

As far as a SAM-proof aircraft, well, that's news to me, particularly if you're asking the aircraft to fly low enough to effectively scatter terrorists surrounding/attacking a building.

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#162087 May 12, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:

'Americans are filled with hubris, not with knowledge.
All of us, not just Americans go through a normal developmental stage of hubris. The obvious reasons for this is; poor parental role models, a weak father figure, a father who suffers from hubris himself, and ineffective mothers that consistently coddle and blanket their child. Hubris is the absence of humility and in the work place can lead to disastrous errors.

I have to say, I'm friends with some pretty knowledgeable people, with that being said, I wish more had a better understanding of our US & World history...

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162088 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting as those comments were, Gate's who I have much respect for, sits behind a big desk in Washington.
IINM, at least one of the 4 victims was with Special Forces which had a number of men a couple miles from the "facility" in Benghazi.
He was ordered not to go try and help Stevens, but went anyway and lost his life.
How many other SF members were ready & willing to go, I don't know.
And I'm sure everyone including Gates knows the US has high-tech aircraft and weapons capability, easily able to avoid any POSSIBLE SAM missile strikes.
By the way, bob ... as far as how many of the SFs wanted to go - they all did, every last one of them.

Never met 'em, don't know anything about any of them personally - but that doesn't matter.

Every last one of them was begging to go, every last one of them would have gone if ordered even if they knew there was zero chance of returning alive. I'd bet my life on that.

There's always someone behind a bigger desk that has to make the decision as to whether they go or not. That may not be the way it's told in whiz-bang movies where the hostages rescued and true love found while solving a global crisis in ninety minutes (with great special effects), it may not be the way it's told by former warriors in sea stories/war stories illustrated by Norman Rockwell, but it's true just the same.

The low rent crowd can challenge the courage or the compassion of people who aren't saying what they want to hear, but that's the friggin' truth. The people who end up behind those desks, or at least some of them, will tell you that the decision to stand down is harder to make than giving the go, because it is engrained in your very nature that you DO go and you CAN do.

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#162089 May 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Quite the contrary.
So there's no comparison? What was your point... that if al-qaida gave us three months notice, we could have been able to find a military force to rescue them? Actually, they did... we should have been on alert with the anniversary of 9-11.

I knew the anniversaries of 9-11 are special times, and deserve extra precautions and alerts, especially in our public gatherings and in Islamic countries... how is it that the obama administration didn't?

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#162090 May 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>So, where's YOUR outrage over the many deaths at actual American embassies, during terrorist attacks perpetrated while the former Jackwagon in Chief was in charge??
>...crickets...<
I don't know of any other ambassadors being attacked and killed while on duty since Iran, and that was over 30 years ago. What are you talking about?
Libertarian

London, UK

#162091 May 13, 2013
Surely he's only a hero to americans who think their quality of life is worth non-american lives. If you'd rather kill foriegn women and children for a cent or two off your oil then Bush would be a hero.

If you value all life, no matter whether or not they're american then Bush is quite the opposite to a hero.

How that man could claim to believe in a god and do what he did not only astounds me, but also shows how utterly ignorant americans can be.

Personally I'm suprised the guy didn't burst into flames every time he claimed belief in a benevolent god. Probably because that god doesn't exist and Bush knows it. He just uses it to keep the ignorant right wing money worshippers thinking he's a hero.

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#162092 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it is. Same as it's your decision to plug your ears, and throw in the towel every time someone accuses you of it. Makes no difference to me, I won't be goin' anywhere, long as I can sit upright.
The "obama blinders" TM that Willie wears are awesome. Not only do the blinders keep him from seeing anything other than what he wants to see, they cover his ears preventing other opinions from being heard, while playing nothing but barry's speeches and Robert Fibbs/Jay Carney misinformation.

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#162093 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>But bob, what Gates did behind that big desk is make decisions like the one under discussion here.
As far as a SAM-proof aircraft, well, that's news to me, particularly if you're asking the aircraft to fly low enough to effectively scatter terrorists surrounding/attacking a building.
The terrorists were already being "laser painted" by Tyrone Woods for the support aircraft and missles, unfortunately, aircraft and missles that were never sent.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162094 May 13, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
Surely he's only a hero to americans who think their quality of life is worth non-american lives. If you'd rather kill foriegn women and children for a cent or two off your oil then Bush would be a hero.
If you value all life, no matter whether or not they're american then Bush is quite the opposite to a hero.
How that man could claim to believe in a god and do what he did not only astounds me, but also shows how utterly ignorant americans can be.
Personally I'm suprised the guy didn't burst into flames every time he claimed belief in a benevolent god. Probably because that god doesn't exist and Bush knows it. He just uses it to keep the ignorant right wing money worshippers thinking he's a hero.
Google :how many lives did Bush save in Africa and get back to us.
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#162095 May 13, 2013
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Since: Jul 07

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#162096 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm familiar with Obama's Rose Garden speech, where he made vague reference to the possible terrorist attack. But there was a deliberate effort to LIE to the American people, including the families of the victims, spinning the tragedy as a spontaneous assault over a video tape.
Someone gave Susan Rice her notes to recite on 5 Sunday talk shows.
claiming that it was a spontaneous assault, already knowing it was a planned 9-11 terrorist attack.
So what? I'll ask again, as Clinton did - what difference did it make?

Once upon a time there was an independent review done, which identified something like 26 deficiencies in the security situation at Benghazi, and potentially elsewhere.

NO ONE in Congress or on the street is talking about it, or about implementing it's recommendations.

It's all about what Susan Rice said, or the changes to an after-action memo, or other trivial stuff that won't bring back one dead American or save another.

So, let's drop the charade, all of ya, that this is about the safety and security of Americans,'kay?

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#162097 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know of any other ambassadors being attacked and killed while on duty since Iran, and that was over 30 years ago. What are you talking about?
I'm so far from surprised you don't know.

Here are the 11 Embassies attacked under President Bush:

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants.(You'd think you MIGHT have heard of this one, but no.)

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building.(No one was injured.)

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

But, seeing as how these deaths weren't recognized as political fodder for the Republican machine,(big surprise there, eh?) you've been privileged to remain willfully ignorant...and the fact that few of the deaths were of AMERICANS at these American embassies, helped a lot as well, I'm sure.

Those folks are, however, still just as dead.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162098 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
The terrorists were already being "laser painted" by Tyrone Woods for the support aircraft and missles, unfortunately, aircraft and missles that were never sent.
Ah well, it's all water under the bridge now.

If Chris Stevens had only notified the State Department of his concerns over rising tensions in Benghazi and his desire for more security.......and if the Red Cross and the British envoy hadn't kept their abrupt departure due to fear for their lives top secret, maybe the most powerful military force on earth could have been ready. If Washington had just a HINT or two of the problems over there maybe they would have had a plan in place.
"WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?"
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162099 May 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so far from surprised you don't know.
Here are the 11 Embassies attacked under President Bush:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants.(You'd think you MIGHT have heard of this one, but no.)
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building.(No one was injured.)
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
But, seeing as how these deaths weren't recognized as political fodder for the Republican machine,(big surprise there, eh?) you've been privileged to remain willfully ignorant...and the fact that few of the deaths were of AMERICANS at these American embassies, helped a lot as well, I'm sure.
Those folks are, however, still just as dead.
That was all back when there was a war on terror. Haven't you heard? According to the POTUS, al Qaeda is nearly decimated and on the run.

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#162100 May 13, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
That was all back when there was a war on terror. Haven't you heard? According to the POTUS, al Qaeda is nearly decimated and on the run.
Not to mention that niggling little fact that he's prosecuting the war on terror against American citizens right here at home, these days...
Can you say, "NDAA" boys and girls?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162101 May 13, 2013
The presidential 2nd term curse.
1) Benghazi
2) IRS
3)?

One more whopper and we'll have ourselves a hat trick.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#162102 May 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Not to mention that niggling little fact that he's prosecuting the war on terror against American citizens right here at home, these days...
Can you say, "NDAA" boys and girls?
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobam...

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162103 May 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so far from surprised you don't know.
Here are the 11 Embassies attacked under President Bush:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants.(You'd think you MIGHT have heard of this one, but no.)
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building.(No one was injured.)
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
But, seeing as how these deaths weren't recognized as political fodder for the Republican machine,(big surprise there, eh?) you've been privileged to remain willfully ignorant...and the fact that few of the deaths were of AMERICANS at these American embassies, helped a lot as well, I'm sure.
Those folks are, however, still just as dead.
He's trying very hard to deflect the conversation around the 'embassy attacks' you were talking about. That's why his post tries to hyper-focus on 'ambassadors being attacked and killed', SKL.

That suggests something other than ignorance - at least, ignorance as defined as 'lack of information.'

Crude and obvious also come to mind.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162104 May 13, 2013
For those Republicans, members of its wholly owned Tea Party subsidiary, and self-proclaimed Independents (in name only) who have been lusting after a Watergate since Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - you may have it, and it ain't Benghazi.

If this IRS thing goes outside the Treasury Department up the food chain, I'll be calling for impeachment myself.

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