Bush is a hero
HipGnosis

Dahinda, IL

#162126 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>I'll say it once more. I can't stand this sorry POS that you and the other enablers foisted on the rest of us. And whether you like it or not, I'm gonna point out each & every error this thug and his band of [email protected] make, if for NO other reason than just to keep you busy covering up for them. Also never forget what OPPOSITION means.
Bless your heart, your honesty is refreshing.

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#162127 May 13, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Morning, Sis.
Good morning, Rudy.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#162128 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Apples and oranges, sis.
None of your examples showed any denied security, none of them did not receive a timely response, none of them have not resulted in the death or capture of the attacker(s), and none of them resulted in an administration coverup to the Amercan public to hide their incompetence.
Apples and oranges.
Who denied security at Behghazi?

Please cite your source for the info about 'timely responses' and 'apprehended assailants'.

The American public was not inundated with reports of the previous embassy attacks, clamoring for the blood of the Presidency. Perhaps those in control of the media had a hand in that - or maybe it was just one of the ubiquitous Kardashians.....

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#162129 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is an excellent example of why I'm not likely to discuss this any more until one hell of a lot of information comes out.
You're already talking about Obama, when there is absolutely no credible information to suggest it goes beyond IRS up to the Treasury Department, let alone up to the White House.
OK. Tell me why the IRS would do such a thing on it's own? It's not like they would benefit from the action.
Remember, tricky dick blamed everyone, and fired a shitload of people before the paper trail ended at his doorstep. obama's administration is starting to look like Masada, what with everyone falling on their sword to protect the idiot in chief.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162130 May 13, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. Tell me why the IRS would do such a thing on it's own? It's not like they would benefit from the action.
Remember, tricky dick blamed everyone, and fired a shitload of people before the paper trail ended at his doorstep. obama's administration is starting to look like Masada, what with everyone falling on their sword to protect the idiot in chief.
I don't know who did what, when they did it, let alone do I know why they did it or who knew they were doing it and when they knew it.

Until more information is out, I'm not inclined to make leaping assumptions or indulge in flights of fancy or piece together a puzzle based half on what I want it to be - say, half on internet rumor and half on conspiracy theory paranoia.

You find me a rouge IRS investigator with a White House lawyer's business card in his pocket and we can talk about Watergate, m'kay?

Until then - I stand on what I said earlier.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162131 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure you're right.
No one here will comply with the request to focus the conversation on improving America's security when they can focus on getting Obama or Clinton.
Priorities, you know.
Or maybe we can do BOTH!

But in order to be sure of improvement, we gotta find out exactly what happened, and who was responsible.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162132 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>If you're going to dismiss what a former Secretary of Defense said, you're not going to listen to me.
We have capabilities today that would have seemed science fiction to me when I was flying around the Med on USN airways in the mid-70s, but they are NOT invincible or invulnerable. Even with all those capabilities, modern aircraft aren't Swiss Army knives equipped to do any job any place any time. Even with all those capabilities, the questions remain the same: are they in the right place at the right time configured for the job you expect them to do.
Didn't "dismiss" what Gates said. I only gave my opinion on the alternatives.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162133 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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Didn't "dismiss" what Gates said. I only gave my opinion on the alternatives.
Secretary Gates was quoted as saying, "And, frankly, I've heard,'Why didn't you just fly a fighter jet over and try and scare them with the noise or something?' Well, given the number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from [former Libya dictator Muammar] Gaddafi's arsenals, I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances."

You said, "And I'm sure everyone including Gates knows the US has high-tech aircraft and weapons capability, easily able to avoid any POSSIBLE SAM missile strikes."

That sounds a lot like a dismissal to me, bob. It may come from an exaggerated belief in Stealth and our overall capabilities by air, but it's a dismissal of one of the considerations anyone charged with deciding how or if to help has to make.

Stealth works on radars, not Muammar with a shoulder fired SAM. We can use laser guided and other smart munitions from enough of a distance to minimize the danger - but that distance and/or those weapons aren't necessarily appropriate for the job you're asking jets to do here.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#162134 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
For those Republicans, members of its wholly owned Tea Party subsidiary, and self-proclaimed Independents (in name only) who have been lusting after a Watergate since Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - you may have it, and it ain't Benghazi.
If this IRS thing goes outside the Treasury Department up the food chain, I'll be calling for impeachment myself.
Haven't you heard, it was just a couple of low level IRS employees in the mid-west that turned the auditing/regulatory powers of the IRS after conservative groups nationwide. They've already been demoted, and are now working in the filed tax records area.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#162135 May 13, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Aint that sumthin?
If anybody in the Whitehouse was stupid enough to leave any kind of traceable record on those political IRS actions, they deserve to be fired or impeached... for stupidity.

You're never going to find any WH "fingeprints".

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162136 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
So far only "appears' to be a lone crusader in Zinzinatti.
http://news.yahoo.com/irs-kept-shifting-targe...
Who will probably die in a tragic accident very soon.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#162137 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>If you're going to dismiss what a former Secretary of Defense said, you're not going to listen to me.
We have capabilities today that would have seemed science fiction to me when I was flying around the Med on USN airways in the mid-70s, but they are NOT invincible or invulnerable. Even with all those capabilities, modern aircraft aren't Swiss Army knives equipped to do any job any place any time. Even with all those capabilities, the questions remain the same: are they in the right place at the right time configured for the job you expect them to do.
And there was absolutely no reason to gear up our defense rediness for the 9-11 anniversary... especially when barry was bragging numerous tmes on every network, to get re-elected, how he got Osama. And of course, to beef up our security in al-qaida infested areas, completely unnecessary.

How stupid do you have to be to believe what this administration is feeding you? The smell alone should tell you what it is!

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#162138 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if it's anything or not, but I sure don't like what I'm reading so far.
Don't worry Willie, it will never be traced back to the WH. If even a remote possibility of that existed, this administration would never have admitted that it ever happened, and the lame-stream WH stenographers wouldn't be reporting it.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162139 May 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Stealth works on radars, not Muammar with a shoulder fired SAM. We can use laser guided and other smart munitions from enough of a distance to minimize the danger - but that distance and/or those weapons aren't necessarily appropriate for the job you're asking jets to do here.
I disagree. First, scaring the insurgents off would've been much better than doing nothing (IMO). Pinpoint accuracy is hardly necessary to get that done.

Second, if Mohammed doesn't know where, or how high an F-117, or a B2 is, he is not likely to fire off a SAM and hope it hits something.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#162140 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Who will probably die in a tragic accident very soon.
LOL!

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Since: Jul 10

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#162141 May 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Who denied security at Behghazi?
Please cite your source for the info about 'timely responses' and 'apprehended assailants'.
The American public was not inundated with reports of the previous embassy attacks, clamoring for the blood of the Presidency. Perhaps those in control of the media had a hand in that - or maybe it was just one of the ubiquitous Kardashians.....
I think you need to:

1) Watch the news on TV, or
2) Read a newspaper, or
3) Listen to the news on the radio

That way you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

However, what you don't want to do is listen to the WH.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#162142 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
And there was absolutely no reason to gear up our defense rediness
Ok, which of you folks stole my "a"?
readiness

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162143 May 13, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
And there was absolutely no reason to gear up our defense rediness for the 9-11 anniversary... especially when barry was bragging numerous tmes on every network, to get re-elected, how he got Osama. And of course, to beef up our security in al-qaida infested areas, completely unnecessary.
How stupid do you have to be to believe what this administration is feeding you? The smell alone should tell you what it is!
Where have I quoted the Administration, bobin?

Failure to join in your never ending determination to twist the facts to fit what your heart wants is not 'believing the Administration'.

Show me something real. Show me a whistle blower who can at least pucker up. Show me that a stand-down order was given to halt a realistic effort to give relief or effect a rescue. You're gonna have to do more than raise Bush's sixteen words in the 2003 State of the Union to hundred forty nine (or whatever it is) words in a CIA briefing document to do that.

The politicians taking the same approach that you are (get Obama no matter what) are the ones preventing a discussion of why the U.S. doesn't offer better protection of its diplomatic corps. The politicians desperate to bring down Obama or destroy Clinton are the ones who will make sure that no serious investigation of why forces weren't on alert and prepared on the anniversary of 9/11 ever occurs, not the media, low information voters, an addiction to reality television, or who/whatever the antagonist du jour may be tomorrow.

Cut behind the determination to get Obama, you got bubkis. Nobody's shown me nothing yet but smoke and mirrors and a whole lot of rage.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#162144 May 13, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree. First, scaring the insurgents off would've been much better than doing nothing (IMO). Pinpoint accuracy is hardly necessary to get that done.
Second, if Mohammed doesn't know where, or how high an F-117, or a B2 is, he is not likely to fire off a SAM and hope it hits something.
Your not going to 'scare off insurgents' with an aircraft so high that the insurgents don't know where or how high it is, bob.

You also have to be accurate enough to make sure it's the insurgents you're attacking, not the friendlies. You hit too far away and you don't delay them at all, especially if it's only one or two supersonic aircraft targeting a comparatively small area (surrounding a building or complex, for example).

The job you're asking them to do amounts to close in support, which can't be done from height. That's why Gates talked about SAMs. I'm assuming they have measures to take against heat seeking weapons, but the lower you are the less effective those are if only because you have far less time to detect and deploy.

(Last duty station in the Navy was with a tactical air control squadron at the Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, charged with directing air support during an amphibious landing or the ubiquitous 'other missions as assigned', which even back in '83 was taking up far more of our time (training and real world) than preparing to storm the beaches.)

Yes, I know - we have a lot more capabilities now than we did when I was involved, but the basic principles are the same, and most of the high tech weapons aren't designed for counterinsurgency.

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#162145 May 13, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
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I was wondering if anyone was paying attention to that story. Abuse of power is what got nixon canned. Think they'll give barry a pass on it 'because he didn't know you can't do that'?
How many years does a president have to be president to know what he's doing?
I can't help but be reminded of OJ Simpson and his wife's murder and then the storming of a hotel to retrieve his belongings. He got off on the first and on the second claimed he didn't know he was doing anything wrong. Sounds an awful lot like Obama, Benghazi and the IRS.(BTW did you know that when a leather glove gets wet, like with water or blood, it shrinks, alot! But if it doesn't fit you must acquit.)

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