“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

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#161770 May 4, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>"Us," being gun owners, and gun rights supporters. Of which I count myself one.(Well, one of each...)
:)
That comma, following the word 'militia' in the 2nd amendment, indicates to some folks that the militia may or may NOT be necessary to a free state...and that the phrase 'The People', only refers in this case to a necessary standing militia having the un-infringe-able right to bear arms. Never says anywhere in the 2nd, who gets to decide the context of 'necessary', either; so those same folks assume it gets to be them.
I thoroughly disagree with THOSE folks.
Not one, TWO commas. If the first comma indicates a well regulated militia may or may not be necessary to a free state.......then the second comma indicates the (people's or citizen's) right to keep and bear arms may or may not be necessary.

You can't apply to different standards to the same thing.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

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#161771 May 4, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is 'us'? Only gun owners and gun regulators have had problems with it. Folks who think that our population would be better off without guns shouldn't be allowed to vote. Someone once said, "A patriot must be ready to defend his country from it's government."
Not sure if it'll come to that, but I'm happy knowing that 'our side', the people that is, is as armed as the government is.
"Folks who think that our population would be better off without guns shouldn't be allowed to vote."

You have a first amendment right to say that and I have a second amendment right that keeps it just that, your right freedom of expression.

BTW- Land is land and defending land is not the same as defending the law of the land(US constitution) or protecting the spirit of how that land is governed.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

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#161773 May 4, 2013
In a constitutional republic, which is what this country became with the ratification of the US constitution, the desire of 99% of the citizens to limit the individual rights of 1% of the citizens is unconstitutional. The founders called it "tyranny of the majority"

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#161774 May 4, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
"Ahh, but you left out the "of the people" part...din't cha."
Well, if not the people, then WHO is being referenced in the 2nd amendments right to keep and bear arms?!?!?!?
Is it really that ambiguous to you?!?!?
If you can create any other inference other than the "people's"(citizen of the USA) right to keep and bear arms in the 2nd amendment that makes any sense and does not conflict with the rest of the constitution and bill of rights.....please do, I'd like to hear it.
Dude. What you were saying, essentially, is that 'the people' only constitute a militia when there is no standing army.

I disagree with that assessment, assuming that's the point you were making earlier.

Don't get your knickers in such a twist.
:)
Yellow Star

Saint Paul, MN

#161775 May 4, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Dude. What you were saying, essentially, is that 'the people' only constitute a militia when there is no standing army.
I said no such thing, but perhaps I'm wrong, Show me where I said what you have interpreted to mean something other than I intended....
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
I disagree with that assessment
Then we both disagree with your assesment, it's unanimous.

Yellow Star

Saint Paul, MN

#161776 May 4, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
Don't get your knickers in such a twist.
:)
Again you are misinformed, I wear a loin cloth and thus cannot get them in a twist.

“Take It To The Limit”

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#161777 May 4, 2013
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
"Folks who think that our population would be better off without guns shouldn't be allowed to vote."
You have a first amendment right to say that and I have a second amendment right that keeps it just that, your right freedom of expression.
BTW- Land is land and defending land is not the same as defending the law of the land(US constitution) or protecting the spirit of how that land is governed.
Didn't say anything about land. I said 'country', which is the people, the land, it's laws, mores, and ideals.
If I'd have meant 'land', I would have said 'land'.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#161778 May 4, 2013
Yellow Star wrote:
<quoted text>
I said no such thing, but perhaps I'm wrong, Show me where I said what you have interpreted to mean something other than I intended....
<quoted text>
Then we both disagree with your assesment, it's unanimous.
Fine. Please clarify your previous assertions...I found them to be convoluted at best, and apparently VERY confusing.

I'm headed to a birthday party, so please take your time with your answer - I hope to be back around 10pm.

:)

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#161781 May 4, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I treat the Ruby Ridge/Waco excuse with the same utter contempt I treat the justification of Islamic terrorism using our presence in their holy land, or whatever other lame excuse they offer.
Understandable. After all, our government wasn't coming after YOU.

When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned." -Martin Niemoller

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#161782 May 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's May, misanthrope dude, your figures are out of date!
You're the one that enters the dates you wish to see...

If they're not current, it's because you didn't ask for the current parameters.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#161783 May 4, 2013
Yellow Stain is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
The only way to answer your question is to point out it's shortcomings.
The second amendment doesn't provide or promote the formation of citizen militias, the "well regulated militia" spoke of is that of the US Govt(A standing US army did not exist at that time) and therefore the right to keep and bear arms is a check and balance to the need for a "well regulated militia, necessary for the security of a free state" to protect us from foreign invaders.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
BTW- I support the whole constitution as an overarching legal agreement, some support only the parts they agree with. You cannot pick and choose only the parts you consider valid since that invalidates the spirit of constitution as it was ratified(unanimously)....and therefore it cannot extend constitutional authority to any specific part while ignoring the whole of it.
I'm not sure how you figure the Second Amendment and organized well regulated militias, factor into this. Our government attacked, and killed, innocent women and children, not just those they considered "bad guys".

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#161784 May 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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You're the one that enters the dates you wish to see...
If they're not current, it's because you didn't ask for the current parameters.
You're funny.

Hey, you look very handsome in your avatar picture.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161785 May 4, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Understandable. After all, our government wasn't coming after YOU.
When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned." -Martin Niemoller
That may be the most moronic invocation of Martin Niemoller I've ever read.

I don't believe that Weaver was persecuted. I don't believe that the Davidians were persecuted.

The comparison is almost perverse.

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#161786 May 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, what a breath of fresh air!
I have been fine, and I hope your absence is due to serious studying.
Don't be a stranger, here and elsewhere.
(The gun nuts think they can get rid of a tyrannical government with their puny firearms, hahaha.)
Awwwwwww, u cutie!!!! thanks!!! I missed u too!!!:-)

Yes, it was!! i really had to concentrate on my coursework!!! I just got 1 more left to do, i'm just so relieved!! I wrote like 70 pages, i'm so proud of myself!! I'll wait til i get my grade before i start celebrating tho, lol.

Lol, some people in my community think that too!! It's like they think they are David and i agree with that, i really do, but what they don't understand is that the modern Goliath has a nuclear weapon!!LOL!!!!!! These people r too funny man!!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#161787 May 4, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Awwwwwww, u cutie!!!! thanks!!! I missed u too!!!:-)
Yes, it was!! i really had to concentrate on my coursework!!! I just got 1 more left to do, i'm just so relieved!! I wrote like 70 pages, i'm so proud of myself!! I'll wait til i get my grade before i start celebrating tho, lol.
Lol, some people in my community think that too!! It's like they think they are David and i agree with that, i really do, but what they don't understand is that the modern Goliath has a nuclear weapon!!LOL!!!!!! These people r too funny man!!
Yeah, nuclear weapons, unmanned drones, missiles, tanks, heavy artillery. And the gun nuts want to face off against that?

Holy tomato!!

Since: Oct 12

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#161788 May 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, nuclear weapons, unmanned drones, missiles, tanks, heavy artillery. And the gun nuts want to face off against that?
Holy tomato!!
Hehehehe, i couldn't be bothered to name 'em all, u smarty pants!!!

I don't get 'em, even I know when to keep my mouth shut!!Yh, believe it or not, i do!!!

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#161790 May 4, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, nuclear weapons, unmanned drones, missiles, tanks, heavy artillery. And the gun nuts want to face off against that?
Holy tomato!!
We beat the british when they were the reigning superpower. With 'Pitchforks and backward thinking'.(PP) Never underestimate the will of the people.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#161791 May 4, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
We beat the british when they were the reigning superpower. With 'Pitchforks and backward thinking'.(PP) Never underestimate the will of the people.
I was going to remind her that the government is just a few people on Capitol Hill...who are apparently no longer 'for the people' but for themselves...

JMO

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#161798 May 4, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Master Degree and 70 pages plus? you worked you pants off , i see, fun ?
It's not fun when u start it, but it does get fun once u get into it!!

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#161800 May 5, 2013
UidiotRaceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text> Can you trust the militia , know about KKK infiltration...?
KKK? I prefer 'Manny, Moe, and Jack'. They're smarter and better organized. Probably more dangerous, too.
When I hear 'KKK', I think of the hillbilly who tried to blow up a car...

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