“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161556 Apr 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiiiight! Chris brought that up on numerous occasions of people in here trying to silence him. As I recall, you and the others told him often, he was "paranoid" or something.
I simply have NO intentions of shutting anyone up, and don't have the power or authority to accomplish it even if I did.
Chris tends to roar that he won't be silenced at people who disagree with him, just one of the many things he does rather than/to avoid responding to what they post.

As to what I was trying to say, well, I can only tell you what it looks like from here.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161557 Apr 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Omg, you're right. And it was mainly Willie who said he was paranoid, in a kind of fatherly superior way. Now I wonder what his response will be to the fact that he is doing the same thing. I imagine he'll say that "this" is different.
Of course I think it's different.

If I was doing it the way Chris does it, it would have happened a long time before now, with a frequency that would drive everyone nuts, and come in bursts where I accused anyone who disagreed with me of trying to silence me.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#161558 Apr 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I think it's different.
If I was doing it the way Chris does it, it would have happened a long time before now, with a frequency that would drive everyone nuts, and come in bursts where I accused anyone who disagreed with me of trying to silence me.
Without talking about anything specific here my main gripe is that Pres Obama has a few times basically told people that don't agree with him to shut up. Did he use those exact words? No. In one speech he did say he didn't want certain people to ".... do a lot of talking" And a few times this Pres and some of his supporters have said they want certain people to shut up. Even if you disagree on that it blows my mind that one of the best things this nation has, the 1st amnd. donesn't seem too important to some. If Pres Bush or any Pres said he didn't want some people to do a lot of talking I would be just as pissed. But I get it. You dismiss that.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161559 Apr 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The Public Safety Exception is a judgment call; there's no statute or court ruling that gives X number of hours for it. That exception covered investigators while they were getting information about other potential bombers or bombs planted, or other plotters ready to strike. Once that's established, the Public Safety Exception has expired.

So ... where's the wrong here, bob?

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publication...

http://le.alcoda.org/publications/point_of_vi...
I'd hafta say the DOJ errored at least twice on this.
1) Gov't offices are closed on Sunday, and waiting until Monday AM
would've given the FBI a chance to glean additional info.

2) Communication. The FBI is PART of the DOJ, and as such it would've been "cleaner" to at least tell the interrogators that people were on their way (on a Sunday) to mirandize Dz-Jokar.
The magistrate appeared unannounced, where perhaps X more questions
may have been answered while she was enroute.

I'm aware there is no set number of hrs to question someone under
PSE, but apparently SOP is 48.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161560 Apr 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Without talking about anything specific here my main gripe is that Pres Obama has a few times basically told people that don't agree with him to shut up. Did he use those exact words? No. In one speech he did say he didn't want certain people to ".... do a lot of talking" And a few times this Pres and some of his supporters have said they want certain people to shut up. Even if you disagree on that it blows my mind that one of the best things this nation has, the 1st amnd. donesn't seem too important to some. If Pres Bush or any Pres said he didn't want some people to do a lot of talking I would be just as pissed. But I get it. You dismiss that.
Yes, & I'm pretty sure that Limbaugh, Beck (maybe even Sarah Palin too) was the trigger for them to wanna reanimate the so-called "Fairness Doctrine."

But the left would NEVER accept the FD concept, calling for equal time so that BOTH sides could be aired during a particular radio or TV broadcast. And that's partly what sank Air America, and similar programs, despite all the $$Mil's Soros throws at them.

The left only wanted to USE the FD to silence people they strongly disagreed with AND who may have influence on large numbers of the population (dittoheads etc.).

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161561 Apr 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Without talking about anything specific here my main gripe is that Pres Obama has a few times basically told people that don't agree with him to shut up. Did he use those exact words? No. In one speech he did say he didn't want certain people to ".... do a lot of talking" And a few times this Pres and some of his supporters have said they want certain people to shut up. Even if you disagree on that it blows my mind that one of the best things this nation has, the 1st amnd. donesn't seem too important to some. If Pres Bush or any Pres said he didn't want some people to do a lot of talking I would be just as pissed. But I get it. You dismiss that.
I believe in the First Amendment too, but somebody telling another person to shut up is an EXERCISE in free speech, not an attempt to stifle it. It doesn't matter whether it's me telling you to shut up, or the President of the United States saying he wishes some of his opponents would shut up.

If Obama proposed a law intended to prevent certain people from doing a lot of talking, then we'd have a First Amendment issue and I'd be right there with you objecting.

The President of the United States is a politician. They're running for office for a year and a half or two years before they get there, they're running for re-election (or keeping the option open) from the inaugural forward, and if they win again they're running to support their agenda, their party, and their legacy until the day they leave office. Many remain active politicians in support of their party until the day they die, some more than others.

I don't get upset when politicians act like politicians, whether they do it directly as Obama has done, or they do it more traditionally (what Nixon called unleashing the Vice President). It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161562 Apr 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I think it's different.
If I was doing it the way Chris does it, it would have happened a long time before now, with a frequency that would drive everyone nuts, and come in bursts where I accused anyone who disagreed with me of trying to silence me.
You're a hoot!

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161563 Apr 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd hafta say the DOJ errored at least twice on this.
1) Gov't offices are closed on Sunday, and waiting until Monday AM
would've given the FBI a chance to glean additional info.
2) Communication. The FBI is PART of the DOJ, and as such it would've been "cleaner" to at least tell the interrogators that people were on their way (on a Sunday) to mirandize Dz-Jokar.
The magistrate appeared unannounced, where perhaps X more questions
may have been answered while she was enroute.
I'm aware there is no set number of hrs to question someone under
PSE, but apparently SOP is 48.
First of all, you have to drop this 'government offices are closed on Sunday' bit. Whenever there's a major investigation going on like the one into the bombing and bombers, there's at least as many pencil neck geeks in the offices as there are agents in the field - including the mucky-mucks who make decisions like when to file charges.

The Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security were at 'General Quarters' that weekend, and some of them probably STILL are.

Second, the filing of formal charges requires certain procedures, which includes a reminder by the judge (in Federal court, usually a magistrate) of the rights of the accused.

Third, neither you nor I know anything about the communication between DOJ and the agents in the field, or between the supervisors and the field agents on site, other than some press reports that some of the agents expressed surprise at the timing. We don't know if that was just typical top-down FBI management or a deliberate decision by the supervisors to withhold the decision until the last minute for tactical reasons.

You want to question the timing, fine - I've got questions about the timing, and not knowing if anything was done wrong is different from swearing that everything was done right. The thing is, since I don't know (and doubt I ever will know) the specifics of the investigation in that hospital room, I probably won't be able to get those answers.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161564 Apr 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>You're a hoot!
Funny, the feeling is mutual.
;-)

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#161565 Apr 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
Dang, it's gettin' downright damp. Hey, anybody got any gopherwood?
Brings to mind a trivia blast from the past for the olders in here. Who said:
"R-i-ight....what's a cubit?"
Now THERE'S a coincidence. Immediately before I saw this, I asked my dad if any of the trees on his two acres were gopherwood. It's been raining--usually POURING--here for 48 hours straight.

I always dreamed of living in a castle with a moat. Well, this is close enough :s Tornado watches, flood warnings all over the place here.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#161566 Apr 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>You're a hoot!
Have you heard that your hero Dr. Carson stuck his foot in his mouth and deep into his throat?

He's done.

You have to find somebody else now.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#161567 Apr 27, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Without talking about anything specific here my main gripe is that Pres Obama has a few times basically told people that don't agree with him to shut up. Did he use those exact words? No. In one speech he did say he didn't want certain people to ".... do a lot of talking"
I can think of >one< (1) instance to which you could be referring, and as usual, your truthiness filter is out of kilter. That ain't what he said at all, much less is it the spirit in which he meant it. He said something to the effect that those who stood by silent and watched us get in the financial mess we found ourselves in in 2008 shouldn't be wantin' to get all talky now it's time to clean up the mess.

I feel a whole lot the same way. A whole bunch of ya jacked on the same fiscal binge as the rest of the nation, got miraculously fiscal "clean" about Jan'2009 and now, like a "reformed" addict on the lecture circuit, ya's can't shut the heck up about how "irresponsible" everyone else is NOW. Where was yer fiscal yap for the preceding 7 years?

That's what he meant, and he was right. 1st amendment truth? Yer all a bunch of phonies.

If you've got any other >actual< instances where he told someone to "shut up", then.....ah, I know it's a waste of time. Just more of that pious "truth".

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#161568 Apr 27, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Now THERE'S a coincidence. Immediately before I saw this, I asked my dad if any of the trees on his two acres were gopherwood. It's been raining--usually POURING--here for 48 hours straight.
I always dreamed of living in a castle with a moat. Well, this is close enough :s Tornado watches, flood warnings all over the place here.
Interestingly enough, that was 9 days ago - by the next morning after I wrote that, we had 3 feet of Spoon River in the basement. A moat ain't all it's cracked up to be ;) Maybe we done it wrong.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161569 Apr 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you heard that your hero Dr. Carson stuck his foot in his mouth and deep into his throat?
He's done.
You have to find somebody else now.
If you mean associating homosexuality too closely with pedophilia, he said he didn't mean that, apologized for the misunderstanding, then he said it's okay, get someone else to do the speech He certainly wasn't going to compromise his one man one woman stance, and I respect that even though I have no problem with gay marriage. The funny thing is that I hear from people who say they are supportive of gay marriage and the civil rights of the gay community will also say that the reason that priests abused boys is because they go into the priesthood because they are homosexual. Same people (usually people who hate religion). That is so stupid don't you think? But there is that pick and choose what you believe in right?
Ben Carson is not finished, he hasn't entered any race yet and I challenge you to find anyone who so gracefully and calmly stands up for what he believes in.
Now let me ask you this. Has "your" hero, Obama, made mistakes in your mind ever? I hope you say yes because otherwise you are way too entranced with him. Did you forgive him his mistakes? You should as long as they don't become a pattern.
But thankyou for thinking of me.
:)

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#161570 Apr 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Interestingly enough, that was 9 days ago - by the next morning after I wrote that, we had 3 feet of Spoon River in the basement. A moat ain't all it's cracked up to be ;) Maybe we done it wrong.
Of course not, Hip. Your only error was forgetting to add the crocodiles ;)

I knew that post was 9 days ago--that's why I was so surprised to read it immediately after speaking to my dad :)

Good night. Normally I'd already be in bed by now on a Saturday night, since tomorrow is Sunday. But my husband came across some minor flooding while he was on his way home from his truck yard this evening, and we've already heard reports of more, so we won't be going to church in the morning.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161571 Apr 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Interestingly enough, that was 9 days ago - by the next morning after I wrote that, we had 3 feet of Spoon River in the basement. A moat ain't all it's cracked up to be ;) Maybe we done it wrong.
Sorry to hear that. My girlfriend's father is a township road commissioner around Macomb, and he lost two bridges to creeks that feed into the Lamoine.

I was doing disaster restoration work during the flood of '93 on both sides of the Mississippi around St. Louis (and sandbagging in my 'spare' time), so floods give me the heebie-jeebies.

Huh ... we had 500 year floods in 73 and 93. Might stay away from water this year.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#161572 Apr 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG (as usual)! No one has a fan club here that I'm aware of.
What I "prefer" is for you treat others as they treat you, or simply ignore them.
<quoted text>
If you "poke fun" at someone and forget to post a smiley face,
that's on you. And I've been posting with Lis for the better part of 5 years, and have found there's only ONE other person that described Lis as a "goodie-2-shoes" type.
Wilson is constantly harassing Lis over her msgs, but has NEVER used that description of her, nor has HipGnosis or anyone else I can recall. The only other one was SHOVELHEAD, and I challenged her much more often than I do you.
<quoted text>
It was a RIDICULOUS notion to begin with.
:)

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161573 Apr 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, you have to drop this 'government offices are closed on Sunday' bit. Whenever there's a major investigation going on like the one into the bombing and bombers, there's at least as many pencil neck geeks in the offices as there are agents in the field - including the mucky-mucks who make decisions like when to file charges.
The Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security were at 'General Quarters' that weekend, and some of them probably STILL are.
Second, the filing of formal charges requires certain procedures, which includes a reminder by the judge (in Federal court, usually a magistrate) of the rights of the accused.
Third, neither you nor I know anything about the communication between DOJ and the agents in the field, or between the supervisors and the field agents on site, other than some press reports that some of the agents expressed surprise at the timing. We don't know if that was just typical top-down FBI management or a deliberate decision by the supervisors to withhold the decision until the last minute for tactical reasons.
You want to question the timing, fine - I've got questions about the timing, and not knowing if anything was done wrong is different from swearing that everything was done right. The thing is, since I don't know (and doubt I ever will know) the specifics of the investigation in that hospital room, I probably won't be able to get those answers.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2327743117001/rep-... +(Internal+-+Video+-+Latest)

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#161580 Apr 28, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I can think of >one< (1) instance to which you could be referring, and as usual, your truthiness filter is out of kilter. That ain't what he said at all, much less is it the spirit in which he meant it. He said something to the effect that those who stood by silent and watched us get in the financial mess we found ourselves in in 2008 shouldn't be wantin' to get all talky now it's time to clean up the mess.
I feel a whole lot the same way. A whole bunch of ya jacked on the same fiscal binge as the rest of the nation, got miraculously fiscal "clean" about Jan'2009 and now, like a "reformed" addict on the lecture circuit, ya's can't shut the heck up about how "irresponsible" everyone else is NOW. Where was yer fiscal yap for the preceding 7 years?
That's what he meant, and he was right. 1st amendment truth? Yer all a bunch of phonies.
If you've got any other >actual< instances where he told someone to "shut up", then.....ah, I know it's a waste of time. Just more of that pious "truth".
Funny. I think that there were Maybe two people warning of the coming crunch with the banks and the real estate market, and Everybody was tellin them to shut up.
Back in the late nineties when Bubba was pushing for deregulation (eye of) newt was telling anyone who would listen that it was a bad idea. Well, I think it was newt. But the ones who would benefit the most wanted it, and they got it.
Anybody see 'the gang of eight's' plan for amnesty?(heh. some gang. Pee-Wee Herman could kick the shit out of the bunch of them all by himself.) It's almost the same crap that ronnie gave then twenty seven years ago. keys to the kingdom, free everything. they can bring thei relatives over. No need for work. Fuck americans, they get first dibs on all the jobs.
oops. this ain't aimed at you hip. Just bitching at the wind.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#161582 Apr 28, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>If you mean associating homosexuality too closely with pedophilia, he said he didn't mean that, apologized for the misunderstanding, then he said it's okay, get someone else to do the speech He certainly wasn't going to compromise his one man one woman stance, and I respect that even though I have no problem with gay marriage. The funny thing is that I hear from people who say they are supportive of gay marriage and the civil rights of the gay community will also say that the reason that priests abused boys is because they go into the priesthood because they are homosexual. Same people (usually people who hate religion). That is so stupid don't you think? But there is that pick and choose what you believe in right?
Ben Carson is not finished, he hasn't entered any race yet and I challenge you to find anyone who so gracefully and calmly stands up for what he believes in.
Now let me ask you this. Has "your" hero, Obama, made mistakes in your mind ever? I hope you say yes because otherwise you are way too entranced with him. Did you forgive him his mistakes? You should as long as they don't become a pattern.
But thankyou for thinking of me.
:)
I don't have time at the moment, but I will respond .
When I do, it will be about Carson.
Not about other people; not about Obama.
Not in response to your " challenge".
Just about Ben Carson.

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