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<quoted text>According to Judge Napolitano on Fox if they didn't mirandize him they couldn't charge him and if he couldn't leave under his own steam someone could have picked him up from the hospital. At least that's how I understand it.
OK but the FBI was 16 hrs into the alotted 48 hrs of interrogation. Holder should've waited.

Not clear on the second part. Someone like a friend or relative? Still there must've been a guard or 2 posted in any event.

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OK but the FBI was 16 hrs into the alotted 48 hrs of interrogation. Holder should've waited.
Not clear on the second part. Someone like a friend or relative? Still there must've been a guard or 2 posted in any event.
They can't legally hold him past a certain time if he isn't charged. You know how in murder cases etc. they know who did it but they have to have enough evidence to make a charge. If they didn't hurry up and charge him he could go right past those guards and there would have been nothing they could do about it.

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I don't think the suspect was ever free to leave.

There's a public safety exemption to the Miranda warning given criminal suspects, although to my knowledge there is no time limit like 48 hours associated with it.

The Justice Department had to balance getting information under the public safety exemption with preserving the right pursue criminal charges with the information they obtained. Should a future court rule they'd waited too long under the public safety exemption, they might not have been allowed to use it in the criminal case.

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<quoted text>They can't legally hold him past a certain time if he isn't charged. You know how in murder cases etc. they know who did it but they have to have enough evidence to make a charge. If they didn't hurry up and charge him he could go right past those guards and there would have been nothing they could do about it.
Under the Public Safety Exception, the FBI (or other agency) is allowed 48 hrs to question a suspect b4 he's charged. But there were <some> urging the suspect to be charged as an "enemy combatant". So reportedly Holder ordered the Fed Magistrate to get over to the hospital (unannounced) to mirandize Dzhokhar immediately in order to eliminate that option.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/dzhokhar-t...

She was accompanied by the Asst DA and a Public Defender.

It's a familiar series of events. Eric Holder doesn't want ANY terrorists subject to military tribunal, but wants them tried in the civilian court system instead. And he's willing to sacrifice intel that may save XXXXX number of lives so that radicals like
the Boston bomber are given their rights.

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Under the Public Safety Exception, the FBI (or other agency) is allowed 48 hrs to question a suspect b4 he's charged. But there were <some> urging the suspect to be charged as an "enemy combatant". So reportedly Holder ordered the Fed Magistrate to get over to the hospital (unannounced) to mirandize Dzhokhar immediately in order to eliminate that option.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/dzhokhar-t...
She was accompanied by the Asst DA and a Public Defender.
It's a familiar series of events. Eric Holder doesn't want ANY terrorists subject to military tribunal, but wants them tried in the civilian court system instead. And he's willing to sacrifice intel that may save XXXXX number of lives so that radicals like
the Boston bomber are given their rights.
If you have a source that tells you that the Attorney General of the United States ordered a U.S. judge/magistrate to do anything at all, your source is wrong.

He doesn't have the authority to do that, because the Judiciary is independent of the Executive Branch. They don't work for him.

He did have the authority to order the FBI agents to give a Miranda warning at any time. They do work for him, and there's no requirement that the warnings be given by a judge or magistrate.

They could have waited to file charges. The longer they did that, the longer they exercised the Public Safety exception,, the greater the risk that the delay would become an issue in subsequent judicial proceedings.

I heard the talk about declaring this guy an enemy combatant, but that's all it was - talk. For the surviving terrorist, these were criminal acts committed on American soil by an American citizen. The judicial system is more than adequate to deal with him while preserving both the ability to get intelligence out of him and to get a conviction.

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<quoted text>If you have a source that tells you that the Attorney General of the United States ordered a U.S. judge/magistrate to do anything at all, your source is wrong.
He doesn't have the authority to do that, because the Judiciary is independent of the Executive Branch. They don't work for him.
He did have the authority to order the FBI agents to give a Miranda warning at any time. They do work for him, and there's no requirement that the warnings be given by a judge or magistrate.
They could have waited to file charges. The longer they did that, the longer they exercised the Public Safety exception,, the greater the risk that the delay would become an issue in subsequent judicial proceedings.
I heard the talk about declaring this guy an enemy combatant, but that's all it was - talk. For the surviving terrorist, these were criminal acts committed on American soil by an American citizen. The judicial system is more than adequate to deal with him while preserving both the ability to get intelligence out of him and to get a conviction.
Excerpt from liberal rag LA Times:

"Justice Department officials Thursday did not address the question of why they signed documents charging Tsarnaev on Sunday night, knowing that could start the clock ticking toward an appearance by a magistrate. Once that was done, they said, they had no legal way to stop the hearing from going forward."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...

The appearance of the DA along with the Fed Magistrate indicates the DOJ was involved in getting the surviving brother mirandized.

If you wanna clip hairs over my wording "Holder ordered.....", knock yerself out. It's just one more example of the lengths some will travel to protect, cover up, or downplay mistakes made by this administration.

But after Obama stole his 2nd term, I said I'd highlite every screwup the teflon Prez & his band of sycophants made. So as long as I can still type, I'll do that. And I expect you'll be just as busy with the tree branch, coverin' up his tracks.

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Excerpt from liberal rag LA Times:
"Justice Department officials Thursday did not address the question of why they signed documents charging Tsarnaev on Sunday night, knowing that could start the clock ticking toward an appearance by a magistrate. Once that was done, they said, they had no legal way to stop the hearing from going forward."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...
The appearance of the DA along with the Fed Magistrate indicates the DOJ was involved in getting the surviving brother mirandized.
If you wanna clip hairs over my wording "Holder ordered.....", knock yerself out. It's just one more example of the lengths some will travel to protect, cover up, or downplay mistakes made by this administration.
But after Obama stole his 2nd term, I said I'd highlite every screwup the teflon Prez & his band of sycophants made. So as long as I can still type, I'll do that. And I expect you'll be just as busy with the tree branch, coverin' up his tracks.
Good for you, BB. Be strong, you know Willie is going to call it a rant, say all other presidents did that and yada-yada, but I'll be right behind backing you up. This president is a joke. I just hope that stupid people don't try to make it about being black. It has nothing to do with how bad he is.
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<quoted text>Good for you, BB. Be strong, you know Willie is going to call it a rant, say all other presidents did that and yada-yada, but I'll be right behind backing you up. This president is a joke. I just hope that stupid people don't try to make it about being black. It has nothing to do with how bad he is.
It's all about affirmative action.

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Excerpt from liberal rag LA Times:
"Justice Department officials Thursday did not address the question of why they signed documents charging Tsarnaev on Sunday night, knowing that could start the clock ticking toward an appearance by a magistrate. Once that was done, they said, they had no legal way to stop the hearing from going forward."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...
The appearance of the DA along with the Fed Magistrate indicates the DOJ was involved in getting the surviving brother mirandized.
If you wanna clip hairs over my wording "Holder ordered.....", knock yerself out. It's just one more example of the lengths some will travel to protect, cover up, or downplay mistakes made by this administration.
But after Obama stole his 2nd term, I said I'd highlite every screwup the teflon Prez & his band of sycophants made. So as long as I can still type, I'll do that. And I expect you'll be just as busy with the tree branch, coverin' up his tracks.
Can you imagine how loud the banshees would be screaming if, at some point in the future, prosecution in this case was impeded because the DOJ waited to long to charge the suspect or inform him of his rights?

You think there's a screw up here. I don't.

If it simplifies things for you to assume I don't agree with you out of a desire to protect Holder, so be it.

World Idiot's Race thinks I want to protect the global elites, too.
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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Good for you, BB. Be strong, you know Willie is going to call it a rant, say all other presidents did that and yada-yada, but I'll be right behind backing you up. This president is a joke. I just hope that stupid people don't try to make it about being black. It has nothing to do with how bad he is.
Well I appreciate ye, Lis I really do.

I don't care if folks wanna pull the race card out. Sometimes it's all they have left. Only thing is, they have no evidence for backing.

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Folks like soros are labeled 'conspiracy theorists' because they do what they do. And when rich folks speak out about bad things happening in the marketplace, like the coming devaluation of the dollar, they call them crazy.
Doesn't matter because nobody is listening to them anyway.
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What surprised me is how long it took the 'terrorists' to take a shot at our sporting events. A quarter of a century ago, or longer, a writer put out a book called 'Black Sunday' about an attack on the Super Bowl. Critics said that the book was going to give the terrorists ideas.

Maybe someone should write a book about the radicals giving up because they can't make the world do what they want it to, and they commit mass suicide.
Probably take em another twenty five years to realize it's them being talked about.
Worth a shot though, don't you think?
And I know you'll get started right after your presidential administration, too ;)

My dad has often raised the same question that you did, Blackheart--why has it taken terrorists this long to strike at our sporting events? My guess, as I've told him, is that they are such obvious targets, being held in enclosed stadiums, arenas, etc., that they have long had extra security measures in place. The Boston Marathon being an open-air event, not in an enclosed space, was a much easier target.

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Although I was temporarily derailed by certain family problems, I still plan to finish the series of posts that Kat inspired me to write, on the connection I believe exists between George Soros and Obama. I hope to do that within the next day or two.

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And I know you'll get started right after your presidential administration, too ;)
My dad has often raised the same question that you did, Blackheart--why has it taken terrorists this long to strike at our sporting events? My guess, as I've told him, is that they are such obvious targets, being held in enclosed stadiums, arenas, etc., that they have long had extra security measures in place. The Boston Marathon being an open-air event, not in an enclosed space, was a much easier target.
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Although I was temporarily derailed by certain family problems, I still plan to finish the series of posts that Kat inspired me to write, on the connection I believe exists between George Soros and Obama. I hope to do that within the next day or two.
I'll take a dose of No-Doz in your honor, for the next day or two, in preparation....

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Excerpt from liberal rag LA Times:

"Justice Department officials Thursday did not address the question of why they signed documents charging Tsarnaev on Sunday night, knowing that could start the clock ticking toward an appearance by a magistrate. Once that was done, they said, they had no legal way to stop the hearing from going forward."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...

The appearance of the DA along with the Fed Magistrate indicates the DOJ was involved in getting the surviving brother mirandized.

If you wanna clip hairs over my wording "Holder ordered.....", knock yerself out. It's just one more example of the lengths some will travel to protect, cover up, or downplay mistakes made by this administration.

But after Obama stole his 2nd term, I said I'd highlite every screwup the teflon Prez & his band of sycophants made. So as long as I can still type, I'll do that. And I expect you'll be just as busy with the tree branch, coverin' up his tracks.
For what it's worth, BB, this particular screwup doesn't need much highlighting. There is just NO reason why the s.o.b. should have been charged so soon, before he had spilled more of whatever information he might have.

No reason, I said. Well, no reason except one. Holder doesn't want Tsarnaev to provide any more information--and by extension, Holder's overlord in the White House doesn't want him to.

It's incidents like this which make me think my Dad must be right about Obama secretly being a Muslim.

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<quoted text>If you have a source that tells you that the Attorney General of the United States ordered a U.S. judge/magistrate to do anything at all, your source is wrong.

He doesn't have the authority to do that, because the Judiciary is independent of the Executive Branch. They don't work for him.
He did have the authority to order the FBI agents to give a Miranda warning at any time. They do work for him, and there's no requirement that the warnings be given by a judge or magistrate.

They could have waited to file charges. The longer they did that, the longer they exercised the Public Safety exception,, the greater the risk that the delay would become an issue in subsequent judicial proceedings.

I heard the talk about declaring this guy an enemy combatant, but that's all it was - talk. For the surviving terrorist, these were criminal acts committed on American soil by an American citizen.
The judicial system is more than adequate to deal with him while preserving both the ability to get intelligence out of him and to get a conviction.
"Authority" be damned. Holder didn't have the authority to tell INS agents to ignore federal laws either, but that little detail doesn't seem to have bothered him much.

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Can you imagine how loud the banshees would be screaming if, at some point in the future, prosecution in this case was impeded because the DOJ waited to long to charge the suspect or inform him of his rights?
You think there's a screw up here. I don't.
Alright. If the DA is impeded for invoking the Public Safety exemption,(a SC ruling), the punk gets life in a Fed prison with no parole. You work in there instead of lounging, & lifting weights. And he better watch his back because there are dad's in there that will have NO problem snuffing this coward.

The Pub Def will no doubt try to obtain a release for Jokar over the FBI delay to mirandize, but the right judge will throw that out in favor of the Public Safety issue.

As you know, all gov't offices are closed on Sunday, but this DOJ threw open the shutters on The Lord's Day, instead of Monday morning, so that Jokar could be given his rights. In slamming down that window, crucial, and possibly life-saving intel was likely lost forever. Yeah I call that a BIG screw-up, and it's no surprise you don't.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
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If it simplifies things for you to assume I don't agree with you out of a desire to protect Holder, so be it.
Protect Holder? You wanna protect the whole Obama administration.
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World Idiot's Race thinks I want to protect the global elites, too.
This insult was unnecessary. If ya want to scrape the bottom of the bilge head with comments like this, I'll certainly be elated to join you. It's bound to get worse as the days wear on, I've already got another beef to air. Coming right up.

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For what it's worth, BB, this particular screwup doesn't need much highlighting. There is just NO reason why the s.o.b. should have been charged so soon, before he had spilled more of whatever information he might have.
No reason, I said. Well, no reason except one. Holder doesn't want Tsarnaev to provide any more information--and by extension, Holder's overlord in the White House doesn't want him to.
It's incidents like this which make me think my Dad must be right about Obama secretly being a Muslim.
Agreed of course, RG. But I doubt if Obama is a closet Muslim. For one thing, he's too smart to take the chance of ever being "outted". The prestige he's attained as POTUS would be shot to hades. And for another, there are several OTHER factors that he, as a far-left liberal, can use to justify his reasoning.(IMO)

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Agreed of course, RG. But I doubt if Obama is a closet Muslim. For one thing, he's too smart to take the chance of ever being "outted". The prestige he's attained as POTUS would be shot to hades. And for another, there are several OTHER factors that he, as a far-left liberal, can use to justify his reasoning.(IMO)
I grant you all of that. Nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me if within a short time after leaving the White House, Obama were to announce his "conversion" to Islam.

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Alright. If the DA is impeded for invoking the Public Safety exemption,(a SC ruling), the punk gets life in a Fed prison with no parole. You work in there instead of lounging, & lifting weights. And he better watch his back because there are dad's in there that will have NO problem snuffing this coward.
The Pub Def will no doubt try to obtain a release for Jokar over the FBI delay to mirandize, but the right judge will throw that out in favor of the Public Safety issue.
As you know, all gov't offices are closed on Sunday, but this DOJ threw open the shutters on The Lord's Day, instead of Monday morning, so that Jokar could be given his rights. In slamming down that window, crucial, and possibly life-saving intel was likely lost forever. Yeah I call that a BIG screw-up, and it's no surprise you don't.
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Protect Holder? You wanna protect the whole Obama administration.
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This insult was unnecessary. If ya want to scrape the bottom of the bilge head with comments like this, I'll certainly be elated to join you. It's bound to get worse as the days wear on, I've already got another beef to air. Coming right up.
You win.

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"Authority" be damned. Holder didn't have the authority to tell INS agents to ignore federal laws either, but that little detail doesn't seem to have bothered him much.
Along those same lines, The Factor reported tonite that the Ag Dep't is working with the Mexican Consulate to instruct Mexican immigrants, whether here illegally or not how to sign up for and receive (taxpayer funded) welfare and food stamps.

This started in 2004 with GW Bush, and is now being carried on by
Obama. BOTH chose to ignore the law, which clearly states that
illegal immigrants are NOT qualified to receive welfare or food stamps. Further, ANY illegals found to be collecting welfare or food stamps are subject to immediate deportation. And I also believe BOTH Presidents should be held accountable.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publicat...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/obama...

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