“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#161486 Apr 25, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
My flight from LAX to DFW departed on time.
I am now on board AA 1704 to Baltimore, with an on time departure.
Good deal. I once got stuck in Atlanta and they wanted me to wait 8 hrs for another flight. I got a rental car and drove in about 3. So they now have internet in flight?

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#161487 Apr 25, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
He's referring to my latest rants CC.
I see.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#161488 Apr 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Are you new to this whole following politics thing?
I ask because you are trying to make a political point out of something that has affected every President in my memory.
I hate to break this to you, bob, but who's sitting in the White House isn't all that important to me. That's the reason that I've been saying for years that Obama, like Bush before him, ain't nothing but a President.
That doesn't mean I don't care; I do my bit to get the candidates I support elected. What it does mean is that my faith in this country doesn't ebb and flow because people pick a President or a Congress that I don't happen to agree with.
Then again ... I'm apparently by my nature at least disingenuous, right?
Lol. Nothing but a President. You are older than me, has any other dictatorship like Cuba been in favor of any other U.S. Pres? I seem to remember Castor being in favor of our new super duper free health care!
crocduddie

Pittsburgh, PA

#161489 Apr 25, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
G Bush is the Man give him another try

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#161490 Apr 25, 2013
Castro

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#161491 Apr 25, 2013
I wonder how many of these 'It ain't happening.' guys are actually government shills?
Seems to me, the worse it gets, someone is always yelling,'It ain't that bad!'. Like that is going to change the facts.
Fact:'Homeland security' has powers that go beyond martial law.
Fact:'The patriot act' has gutted The Bill Of Rights.
Fact: The economy is in the toilet, and has been for five years now.
Fact: barry'sd boys want to rescind the 22nd amenedment so he can have a third term. Wouldn't that just be Wonderful?
Yeah, I know. every prez since tricky dick has had people want them to be 'president for life', but barry's folks seem to be serious about it.
Final Fact: The dollar is in danger of being replaced as the International Currency. Think it doesn't matter? Look at what happened to Great Britain when the dollar replaced the Pound. Inflation skyrocketed FIFTY percent in a very short time. The First Day it happened, the government devalued the pound by fourteen percent. It only got worse.
I guess it doesn't matter. barry is our leader, and his 'pied pipers' are all over the place, playing his song, and telling everybody that its OK. Nothing bad can happen to this country.
If I had the money, I'd move to Canada tomorrow. Their currency will not take the hit that the dollar is going to take in a very short while.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#161494 Apr 25, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Good deal. I once got stuck in Atlanta and they wanted me to wait 8 hrs for another flight. I got a rental car and drove in about 3. So they now have internet in flight?
Yep, gogo in flight. You pay, but it's very reasonable.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161495 Apr 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Are you new to this whole following politics thing?
Relatively, yes!
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>
I ask because you are trying to make a political point out of something that has affected every President in my memory.
I hate to break this to you, bob, but who's sitting in the White House isn't all that important to me. That's the reason that I've been saying for years that Obama, like Bush before him, ain't nothing but a President.
Except with past Presidents, did you EVER hear them say they wanted to fundamentally CHANGE America? And did they follow that up by doing just about everything possible to sink this FREAKIN'
SHIP? Did they run up multi-TRILLION $$$ of debt during their 1st term alone, then refuse to make significant cuts to help reduce that debt? The "person sittin' in the WH" is the 3rd piece to a crucial puzzle. The EXECUTIVE branch can set the tone for the other 2 crucial pieces, and VETO anything he don't like.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't mean I don't care; I do my bit to get the candidates I support elected. What it does mean is that my faith in this country doesn't ebb and flow because people pick a President or a Congress that I don't happen to agree with.
Commendable as that is, I don't happen to share your benevolence related to this particular POTUS. If we're still in this shape or worse when 2016 rolls around,(and I believe we WILL be), I expect you to Google recipes for CROW. Otherwise, I'll concede to your seer political expertise in advance.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>
Then again ... I'm apparently by my nature at least disingenuous, right?
I'm pretty certain you read the start of that sentence! Specifically YOU were one of the folks I had in mind when I typed it. It's also the main reason I'm disappointed in your judgement
in 2008 AND for 2012. There's just no way (IMO) this man should've ever been enabled to the WH.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161496 Apr 25, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Relatively, yes!
<quoted text>
Except with past Presidents, did you EVER hear them say they wanted to fundamentally CHANGE America? And did they follow that up by doing just about everything possible to sink this FREAKIN'
SHIP? Did they run up multi-TRILLION $$$ of debt during their 1st term alone, then refuse to make significant cuts to help reduce that debt? The "person sittin' in the WH" is the 3rd piece to a crucial puzzle. The EXECUTIVE branch can set the tone for the other 2 crucial pieces, and VETO anything he don't like.
<quoted text>
Commendable as that is, I don't happen to share your benevolence related to this particular POTUS. If we're still in this shape or worse when 2016 rolls around,(and I believe we WILL be), I expect you to Google recipes for CROW. Otherwise, I'll concede to your seer political expertise in advance.
<quoted text>
I'm pretty certain you read the start of that sentence! Specifically YOU were one of the folks I had in mind when I typed it. It's also the main reason I'm disappointed in your judgement
in 2008 AND for 2012. There's just no way (IMO) this man should've ever been enabled to the WH.
You're still talking about a five year old campaign slogan?

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161497 Apr 25, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
I wonder how many of these 'It ain't happening.' guys are actually government shills?
Seems to me, the worse it gets, someone is always yelling,'It ain't that bad!'. Like that is going to change the facts.
Fact:'Homeland security' has powers that go beyond martial law.
Fact:'The patriot act' has gutted The Bill Of Rights.
Fact: The economy is in the toilet, and has been for five years now.
Fact: barry'sd boys want to rescind the 22nd amenedment so he can have a third term. Wouldn't that just be Wonderful?
Yeah, I know. every prez since tricky dick has had people want them to be 'president for life', but barry's folks seem to be serious about it.
Final Fact: The dollar is in danger of being replaced as the International Currency. Think it doesn't matter? Look at what happened to Great Britain when the dollar replaced the Pound. Inflation skyrocketed FIFTY percent in a very short time. The First Day it happened, the government devalued the pound by fourteen percent. It only got worse.
I guess it doesn't matter. barry is our leader, and his 'pied pipers' are all over the place, playing his song, and telling everybody that its OK. Nothing bad can happen to this country.
If I had the money, I'd move to Canada tomorrow. Their currency will not take the hit that the dollar is going to take in a very short while.
Obviously I agree. Didja know:

Napolitano is working hard to make it easier for people abroad to be granted asylum?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/jane...

Napolitano lies about status of Saudi National:

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/04/secr...

Eric Holder ordered a magistrate to go Mirandize the younger Boston bomber. The FBI thought they had 48 hours to continue questioning him, but were stopped in their tracks by the US AG.
Apparently the FBI still managed to learn the older brother was headed for NY Times Square next. Unbelievable.

http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/2013/04/fbi...

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161498 Apr 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You're still talking about a five year old campaign slogan?
You can try to downplay it all ya want, Wilson. It's expected.
What else CAN ya do?

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161499 Apr 25, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
You can try to downplay it all ya want, Wilson. It's expected.
What else CAN ya do?
Not much around here, bob.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161500 Apr 26, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously I agree. Didja know:
Napolitano is working hard to make it easier for people abroad to be granted asylum?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/jane...
Napolitano lies about status of Saudi National:
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/04/secr...
Eric Holder ordered a magistrate to go Mirandize the younger Boston bomber. The FBI thought they had 48 hours to continue questioning him, but were stopped in their tracks by the US AG.
Apparently the FBI still managed to learn the older brother was headed for NY Times Square next. Unbelievable.
http://savingtherepublic.com/blog/2013/04/fbi...
According to Judge Napolitano on Fox if they didn't mirandize him they couldn't charge him and if he couldn't leave under his own steam someone could have picked him up from the hospital. At least that's how I understand it.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161501 Apr 26, 2013
I think Obama should do one last apology tour. He should go around the world and say " We have to break from tradition. I know we're the country for anyone yearning to be free but we just can't let Muslims into our country anymore. I know that most Muslims are good hard working people, but it seems they are covering up for the jihadists. They go to the same mosques and hear the same things but they don't report it, or let anyone know that danger is on the horizon. So though it's unfair to most Muslims we just have to take a stand. I'm so sorry."
There are 75,000 muslims here on a student visa, and 15,000 of those never go to school.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161502 Apr 26, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>According to Judge Napolitano on Fox if they didn't mirandize him they couldn't charge him and if he couldn't leave under his own steam someone could have picked him up from the hospital. At least that's how I understand it.
OK but the FBI was 16 hrs into the alotted 48 hrs of interrogation. Holder should've waited.

Not clear on the second part. Someone like a friend or relative? Still there must've been a guard or 2 posted in any event.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#161503 Apr 26, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
OK but the FBI was 16 hrs into the alotted 48 hrs of interrogation. Holder should've waited.
Not clear on the second part. Someone like a friend or relative? Still there must've been a guard or 2 posted in any event.
They can't legally hold him past a certain time if he isn't charged. You know how in murder cases etc. they know who did it but they have to have enough evidence to make a charge. If they didn't hurry up and charge him he could go right past those guards and there would have been nothing they could do about it.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161504 Apr 26, 2013
I don't think the suspect was ever free to leave.

There's a public safety exemption to the Miranda warning given criminal suspects, although to my knowledge there is no time limit like 48 hours associated with it.

The Justice Department had to balance getting information under the public safety exemption with preserving the right pursue criminal charges with the information they obtained. Should a future court rule they'd waited too long under the public safety exemption, they might not have been allowed to use it in the criminal case.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161506 Apr 26, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>They can't legally hold him past a certain time if he isn't charged. You know how in murder cases etc. they know who did it but they have to have enough evidence to make a charge. If they didn't hurry up and charge him he could go right past those guards and there would have been nothing they could do about it.
Under the Public Safety Exception, the FBI (or other agency) is allowed 48 hrs to question a suspect b4 he's charged. But there were <some> urging the suspect to be charged as an "enemy combatant". So reportedly Holder ordered the Fed Magistrate to get over to the hospital (unannounced) to mirandize Dzhokhar immediately in order to eliminate that option.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/dzhokhar-t...

She was accompanied by the Asst DA and a Public Defender.

It's a familiar series of events. Eric Holder doesn't want ANY terrorists subject to military tribunal, but wants them tried in the civilian court system instead. And he's willing to sacrifice intel that may save XXXXX number of lives so that radicals like
the Boston bomber are given their rights.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161507 Apr 26, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Under the Public Safety Exception, the FBI (or other agency) is allowed 48 hrs to question a suspect b4 he's charged. But there were <some> urging the suspect to be charged as an "enemy combatant". So reportedly Holder ordered the Fed Magistrate to get over to the hospital (unannounced) to mirandize Dzhokhar immediately in order to eliminate that option.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/dzhokhar-t...
She was accompanied by the Asst DA and a Public Defender.
It's a familiar series of events. Eric Holder doesn't want ANY terrorists subject to military tribunal, but wants them tried in the civilian court system instead. And he's willing to sacrifice intel that may save XXXXX number of lives so that radicals like
the Boston bomber are given their rights.
If you have a source that tells you that the Attorney General of the United States ordered a U.S. judge/magistrate to do anything at all, your source is wrong.

He doesn't have the authority to do that, because the Judiciary is independent of the Executive Branch. They don't work for him.

He did have the authority to order the FBI agents to give a Miranda warning at any time. They do work for him, and there's no requirement that the warnings be given by a judge or magistrate.

They could have waited to file charges. The longer they did that, the longer they exercised the Public Safety exception,, the greater the risk that the delay would become an issue in subsequent judicial proceedings.

I heard the talk about declaring this guy an enemy combatant, but that's all it was - talk. For the surviving terrorist, these were criminal acts committed on American soil by an American citizen. The judicial system is more than adequate to deal with him while preserving both the ability to get intelligence out of him and to get a conviction.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161508 Apr 26, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>If you have a source that tells you that the Attorney General of the United States ordered a U.S. judge/magistrate to do anything at all, your source is wrong.
He doesn't have the authority to do that, because the Judiciary is independent of the Executive Branch. They don't work for him.
He did have the authority to order the FBI agents to give a Miranda warning at any time. They do work for him, and there's no requirement that the warnings be given by a judge or magistrate.
They could have waited to file charges. The longer they did that, the longer they exercised the Public Safety exception,, the greater the risk that the delay would become an issue in subsequent judicial proceedings.
I heard the talk about declaring this guy an enemy combatant, but that's all it was - talk. For the surviving terrorist, these were criminal acts committed on American soil by an American citizen. The judicial system is more than adequate to deal with him while preserving both the ability to get intelligence out of him and to get a conviction.
Excerpt from liberal rag LA Times:

"Justice Department officials Thursday did not address the question of why they signed documents charging Tsarnaev on Sunday night, knowing that could start the clock ticking toward an appearance by a magistrate. Once that was done, they said, they had no legal way to stop the hearing from going forward."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...

The appearance of the DA along with the Fed Magistrate indicates the DOJ was involved in getting the surviving brother mirandized.

If you wanna clip hairs over my wording "Holder ordered.....", knock yerself out. It's just one more example of the lengths some will travel to protect, cover up, or downplay mistakes made by this administration.

But after Obama stole his 2nd term, I said I'd highlite every screwup the teflon Prez & his band of sycophants made. So as long as I can still type, I'll do that. And I expect you'll be just as busy with the tree branch, coverin' up his tracks.

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