Bush is a hero

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161275 Apr 14, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Cindee Sheehan might disagree that he never did it....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/28/sheehan.arre...
Cindy Sheehan had been protesting in front of the ranch for weeks without arrest. She was arrested for "blocking the road leading to the property", according to the article you linked to.

The cops gave her what she wanted, so I don't see how she (or anyone else) has any reason to protest the fact that she was arrested, let alone does it prove that Bush was out to get protesters.
UiidotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#161276 Apr 14, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but the point is people used to DO something about it. Marches, sit-ins, petitions and what have you. These days, everybody just lets it happen. Last thing I remember folks doing anything was the WTO meeting in Seattle a decade ago. That was kinda cool, because they were using their cell phones to co-ordinate the protests. Heck, they even made a movie about it (Battle In Seattle).
Jeez. Nobody said 'Boo' about the death of the Twinkie! Talk about apathetic. Don't worry too much. America's vapid response team is gonna get on it.
sooner or later.
You forgotten the most recent OWS movements and other ones not being reported by US faux media.
UiidotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#161277 Apr 14, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>There are a couple of reasons you didn't have an anti Iraq war movement comparable to Vietnam.
1. No draft
2. 9/11 (not related to Iraq in any way, shape or form, but the impression was deliberately given when selling the public on the idea of going to war). Contrary to what some people may think, the concept of never letting a crisis go to waste is not a liberal or Democratic Party strategy.
3. No draft
4. The continued 'quasi-war' we'd been in with Saddam since the end of the Gulf War.
5. No draft
Just speaking for myself, the groups organizing the WTO protests (like the Occupy movement) seem more like Yippies than those seriously against the war.
Did you forget over million New Yawkers protested THE US IllEgal WAR WITH iraq , DID IT MAKE A DENT?

Did u know Dictator Saddam is a US puppet?

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#161278 Apr 14, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>There are a couple of reasons you didn't have an anti Iraq war movement comparable to Vietnam.
1. No draft
2. 9/11 (not related to Iraq in any way, shape or form, but the impression was deliberately given when selling the public on the idea of going to war). Contrary to what some people may think, the concept of never letting a crisis go to waste is not a liberal or Democratic Party strategy.
3. No draft
4. The continued 'quasi-war' we'd been in with Saddam since the end of the Gulf War.
5. No draft
Just speaking for myself, the groups organizing the WTO protests (like the Occupy movement) seem more like Yippies than those seriously against the war.
Not talking about Just the war(s). I mean Everything. People don't get involved anymore.'cept the early teaparty. But they didn't know what they were doing, or even what they actually wanted.
And why label folks when they're just trying to accomplish something? Kinda makes you an elitist, doesn't it?
Please, don't try to put a label on me. It's not that I am above such things. It's just that there are no kind words for what I am. Has zip to do with race or idealism.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161279 Apr 14, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Not talking about Just the war(s). I mean Everything. People don't get involved anymore.'cept the early teaparty. But they didn't know what they were doing, or even what they actually wanted.
And why label folks when they're just trying to accomplish something? Kinda makes you an elitist, doesn't it?
Please, don't try to put a label on me. It's not that I am above such things. It's just that there are no kind words for what I am. Has zip to do with race or idealism.
There's nothing elitist about thinking the WTO (or OWS) protestors didn't have a clue, and that's something they have in common with the Yippies.

I'd say the Yippies were at least funny [if you were stoned enough, anyway], but that might just be me showing my age and holding the youth of the latter two groups against them.

;-)

My opinion is not based on media portrayal ... it's based on conversations with them and their supporters. You are not going to stop globalization or reign in big banks or overthrow the established order with chants or drum circles or guerrilla theater - or busting store windows. You DO, however, bring discredit on whatever cause you're supporting - and in that you play into the hands of the powers that be.

I'm not even going to touch on the Tea Party, because the last time I did try and treat that political movement like, well, a political movement, I got some folks mighty worked up.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEW0 RLDPEACE

United States

#161280 Apr 14, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but the point is people used to DO something about it. Marches, sit-ins, petitions and what have you. These days, everybody just lets it happen. Last thing I remember folks doing anything was the WTO meeting in Seattle a decade ago. That was kinda cool, because they were using their cell phones to co-ordinate the protests. Heck, they even made a movie about it (Battle In Seattle).
Jeez. Nobody said 'Boo' about the death of the Twinkie! Talk about apathetic. Don't worry too much. America's vapid response team is gonna get on it.
sooner or later.
MAYBE A pOLICE sTATE SCARED THEM TO GIVE UP
?
UIDIOTRACEMAKEW0 RLDPEACE

United States

#161281 Apr 14, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing elitist about thinking the WTO (or OWS) protestors didn't have a clue, and that's something they have in common with the Yippies.
I'd say the Yippies were at least funny [if you were stoned enough, anyway], but that might just be me showing my age and holding the youth of the latter two groups against them.
;-)
My opinion is not based on media portrayal ... it's based on conversations with them and their supporters. You are not going to stop globalization or reign in big banks or overthrow the established order with chants or drum circles or guerrilla theater - or busting store windows. You DO, however, bring discredit on whatever cause you're supporting - and in that you play into the hands of the powers that be.
I'm not even going to touch on the Tea Party, because the last time I did try and treat that political movement like, well, a political movement, I got some folks mighty worked up.
You have agents (Corrupted govt) and few radical infiltrated to disrupt the Peaceful demonstrations

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161282 Apr 14, 2013
Meant to add to a previous post ... I know that the Denver PD may have acted as an agent provocateur in at least one recent case (the 2008 Democratic convention, maybe), and there have been allegations of that sort of conduct in other places, most notably New York.

Whether or not that has/will lead to something akin to the 'Red Squads' of the 50s-70s is anyone's guess, but so far I don't see that as a real risk.

What I haven't seen any evidence of is a federal effort in that regard like the documented ones they mounted during the same era.

I've heard claims of it (more from the left until January, 2009; more from the right since; with a steady drone from the "U.S. government is always wrong no matter what" crowd all along), but claims alone don't prove a case.
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United States

#161283 Apr 15, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I don't remember anything like that.
I'm pretty sure I would remember that, and I'm not exactly known as a big Bush supporter (there are references here in the thread if you need 'em).
;-)
Some members of the Administration went pretty far out there in trying to link people opposed to the 'war on terror' with the terrorists, but I sure don't recall anything as direct as what you do.
And if you oppose the war or for a good cause, for world human rights... they even label good/peaceful demonstrating Americans as terrorist. So?

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Since: Jul 12

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#161284 Apr 15, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Cindy Sheehan had been protesting in front of the ranch for weeks without arrest. She was arrested for "blocking the road leading to the property", according to the article you linked to.
The cops gave her what she wanted, so I don't see how she (or anyone else) has any reason to protest the fact that she was arrested, let alone does it prove that Bush was out to get protesters.
Thank-you, Willie. I can usually count on you to provide better information than Google.

:)

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161285 Apr 15, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Thank-you, Willie. I can usually count on you to provide better information than Google.
:)
All I'm doing is the same thing that any source you find on Goggle is doing.

Offering my opinion.

The question wasn't whether or not protesters were arrested in front of the ranch, at a political convention, or anywhere else. It was whether the U.S. government began a crackdown on dissidents.

I don't think the evidence supports that, even knowing certain law enforcement agencies crossed the line in how they conducted surveillance or gathered intelligence.

When it comes to political conventions, I detest the whole notion of the so-called Free Speech Zones, the areas where it's okay to exercise your first amendment rights.

At the same time, I'm aware of the realities of life. Who's to say that those free speech zones, onerous as they may be, prevent the next John Wilkes Booth, Charles J. Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley (or a James Eagan Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, or Adam Lanza) from obtaining their fifteen minutes of infamy?

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#161287 Apr 15, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>All I'm doing is the same thing that any source you find on Goggle is doing.
Offering my opinion.
The question wasn't whether or not protesters were arrested in front of the ranch, at a political convention, or anywhere else. It was whether the U.S. government began a crackdown on dissidents.
I don't think the evidence supports that, even knowing certain law enforcement agencies crossed the line in how they conducted surveillance or gathered intelligence.
When it comes to political conventions, I detest the whole notion of the so-called Free Speech Zones, the areas where it's okay to exercise your first amendment rights.
At the same time, I'm aware of the realities of life. Who's to say that those free speech zones, onerous as they may be, prevent the next John Wilkes Booth, Charles J. Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley (or a James Eagan Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, or Adam Lanza) from obtaining their fifteen minutes of infamy?
I was actually being quite serious in the post to which you reply here.

Thanks for the additional intellectual stimulation, and have a lovely rest of the morning.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161288 Apr 15, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I was actually being quite serious in the post to which you reply here.
Thanks for the additional intellectual stimulation, and have a lovely rest of the morning.
Thank you for the compliment, then.

;-)

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#161289 Apr 15, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for the compliment, then.
;-)
You're very welcome.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161290 Apr 15, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>You're very welcome.
Jeez ... the judgcon fairy seems rather attracted to you.

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Since: Jul 12

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#161291 Apr 15, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Jeez ... the judgcon fairy seems rather attracted to you.
It's my magnetic personality, I'm sure...

:)

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#161294 Apr 16, 2013
Very queit here. Somehow this fits. What a world.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#161295 Apr 16, 2013
PART I
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>If I may ask, why do you believe Obama is Soros' puppet, but not that Bush was Cheney's? Or the Sr. Bush's, for that matter.
Okeydokey, I'll humor you.

1. Cheney had an official, taxpayer-paid office. Soros is in the shadows.

2. Soros is one of the richest men in the world, can more or less buy whatever he wants, including people. I'm sure Cheney is at least well-to-do, but I'm 99% sure he doesn't have THAT kind of money.

3. Soros has made statements regarding his desired goals for America, for the world and his deliberate efforts to move America and Americans as close to dependence on government and communism as he possibly can.

I am NOT going to spend the kind of time I used to spend online, doing research and writing lengthy responses to this kind of question. If YOU want that kind of analysis, feel free to do your own, and it won't be hard. All you have to do is type "George Soros-funded organizations" or "ties between Soros and Obama" into a search field and you'll get all the websites you could possibly want, to sift through on your own.

Nevertheless, for your edification :) I'm going to include here a list of organizations funded in whole or in part by Soros. I will put the names of the ones I find particularly interesting in all caps, and please note their political activities and the direction in which they point.

For some of them, I will try to include a brief description, but THIS LIST IS ONLY A PARTIAL LIST. The actual list of Soros-funded organizations is much longer, and I'm not even going to try to include a list of second-hand Soros-funded groups--groups which get their funding from other groups which are funded DIRECTLY by Soros.

__________

AIR AMERICA RADIO: Now defunct, this was a self-identified "liberal" radio network.

Alliance for Justice:...vis a vis the appointment of federal judges, this group consistently depicts Republican judicial nominees as "extremists."

America Votes: Soros...played a major role in creating this group, whose get-out-the-vote campaigns targeted likely Democratic voters.

AMERICA'S VOICE: This open-borders group seeks to promote “comprehensive” immigration reform that includes a robust agenda in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens.

American Bar Association Commission on Immigration Policy

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION: This group opposes virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by the U.S. government. It supports open borders, has rushed to the defense of suspected terrorists and their abettors, and appointed former New Left terrorist Bernardine Dohrn to its Advisory Board.

American Constitution Society for Law and Policy:...seeks to move American jurisprudence to the left by recruiting, indoctrinating, and mobilizing young law students, helping them acquire positions of power. It also provides leftist Democrats with a bully pulpit from which to denounce their political adversaries.

American Family Voices:...creates and coordinates media campaigns charging Republicans with wrongdoing.

AMERICAN FRIENDS SERVICE COMMITTEE:...views the United States as the principal cause of human suffering around the world. As such, it favors America's unilateral disarmament, the dissolution of American borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, the abolition of the death penalty, and the repeal of the Patriot Act.

American Immigration Council: This non-profit organization is a prominent member of the open-borders lobby. It advocates expanded rights and amnesty for illegal aliens residing in the U.S.

American Immigration Law Foundation: This group supports amnesty for illegal aliens, on whose behalf it litigates against the U.S. government.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#161296 Apr 16, 2013
PART II

The American Prospect, Inc.:...trains and mentors young leftwing journalists, and organizes strategy meetings for leftist leaders.

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL:... organization directs a grossly disproportionate share of its criticism for human rights violations at the United States and Israel.

Arab American Institute Foundation:...denounces the purportedly widespread civil liberties violations directed against Arab Americans in the post-9/11 period, and characterizes Israel as a brutal oppressor of the Palestinian people.

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now:...conducts voter mobilization drives on behalf of leftist Democrats. These initiatives have been notoriously marred by fraud and corruption.

Bill of Rights Defense Committee:...group provides a detailed blueprint for activists interested in getting their local towns, cities, and even college campuses to publicly declare their opposition to the Patriot Act, and to designate themselves "Civil Liberties Safe Zones." ...also came to the defense of self-described radical attorney Lynne Stewart, who was convicted in 2005 of providing material support for terrorism.

CAMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE:...supports tax hikes, socialized medicine, and a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs.

CAMPAIGN FOR BETTER HEALTH CARE: This organization favors a single-payer, government-run, universal health care system.

Campus Progress: A project of the Soros-bankrolled Center for American Progress, this group seeks to "strengthen progressive voices on college and university campuses, counter the growing influence of right-wing groups on campus, and empower new generations of progressive leaders."

Center for American Progress:...leftist think tank is headed by former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta, works closely with Hillary Clinton...It is committed to "developing a long-term vision of a progressive America" and "providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals."

Center for Community Change: This group recruits and trains activists to spearhead leftist "political issue campaigns."...the Center bases its training programs on the techniques taught by the famed radical organizer Saul Alinsky.

Center for Constitutional Rights: This pro-Castro organization is a core member of the open borders lobby, has opposed virtually all post-9/11 anti-terrorism measures by the U.S. government, and alleges that American injustice provokes acts of international terrorism.

CENTER FOR ECONOMIC AND POLICY RESEARCH:...group opposed welfare reform, supports "living wage" laws, rejects tax cuts, and consistently lauds the professed achievements of socialist regimes, most notably Venezuela.

Center for Reproductive Rights: CRR's mission is to guarantee safe, affordable contraception and abortion-on-demand for all women, including adolescents. The organization has filed state and federal lawsuits demanding access to taxpayer-funded abortions (through Medicaid) for low-income women.

Change America Now: Formed in December 2006...describes itself as "an independent political organization created to educate citizens on the failed policies of the Republican Congress and to contrast that record of failure with the promise offered by a Democratic agenda."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington:...litigates and brings ethics charges against "government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests" and "betray the public trust." Almost all of its targets are Republicans.

Coalition for an International Criminal Court: This group seeks to subordinate American criminal-justice procedures to those of an international court.

DEMOCRACY ALLIANCE: This self-described "liberal organization" aims to raise $200 million to develop a funding clearinghouse for leftist groups. Soros is a major donor to this group.

________

I'll try to list more, after dinner.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161297 Apr 16, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Very queit here. Somehow this fits. What a world.
Perhaps retaliation for UBL. No matter, terrorist cowards targeted
innocent children.

But Code Pink & Global Idiot will still blame the US, even when these ruthless b@stards machete their heads into an osier basket and a lizard family subsequently makes a home in their fat skulls.

Ignorance to the Nth degree

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