I'm puzzled about one thing, lisw, and maybe I have been all along.Willie (and Hip and BH) just to let you know, I appreciate your willingness to have the discussion about the great society. The reason I'm not saying much further is I doubt we will ever see eye to eye. I do believe that most liberals mean well and that it is only a few who wanted to define and own black people for political gain. But can I suggest a good read. It's called the "Invisible Thread". It's non-fiction and not written for any political purpose. it's just a story, but it says so well what I am worried about.
I thought we were talking about public housing and welfare both today and in the past. Were you simply talking about the Great Society, the sixties programs?