Bush is a hero

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161056 Apr 7, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
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Sorry for butting in here, but who was it that said barry's looks made his legs quiver? Was that Clueless Joe, too?
It was Chris Matthews (MSNBC) host of "Hardball".

He also likened Obama's 2nd Inaugural speech to Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. Probably has King Obama posters plastered all over his bedroom too.

Since: Jun 08

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#161057 Apr 7, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
Men are always going to think like men, but men can (and should) learn not to bring up something as trivial as appearance in circumstances like Obama found himself.
The idea that he did it on purpose, though ... that's a wild one. I can see how attractive it is here to people who are ever-ready to pounce, always desperate to find fault, but have just enough intellectual integrity left (for now) to realize this ain't nothing much at all.
As my favorite Navy CPO used to say when somebody floated a bug-f'ing crazy idea, you just never know what cokamamie thing some people will salute if you run it up the flagpole ...
Okay just tell me this. Do you really think that Joe Biden says all the stupid stuff he does by accident? Is he really that dumb?

Since: Jun 08

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#161058 Apr 7, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I would suggest that the black "immigrant" experience is unique and finds no parallel with that of any other non-WASP grouping. We're talking about centuries of pervasive systemic, institutionalized societal bias predicated on hair and facial characteristics and skin color. This bias ran (runs?) throughout society, from top to bottom, endorsed by all levels of gov't and confirmed by Supreme Court decisions. 100 years after "emancipation" they were still knocking against the same stone ceiling in different guise. Did many give up fighting? Unfortunately yes. But it wasn't because of public housing - it was because many still couldn't find a living-wage job or simple respect from an allegedly enlightened society. Is public housing an ideal fix? Heck no, but it might be instructional to recall the tenement housing available on the "free market" that was many poor person's lot prior to public housing.
I know that it is unique, but I still hold that everything that the democrats did made things worse. Remember I was a democrat at the time. Martin Luther King was a republican and I don't think he'd have approved of the way things went. Now we have vice-presidents saying things like "they wanna put you back in chains" which I think is just low and he knows it's so untrue but he wants to put as back to the beginning. That is not the way you treat people with dignity.

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#161059 Apr 7, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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It was Chris Matthews (MSNBC) host of "Hardball".
He also likened Obama's 2nd Inaugural speech to Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. Probably has King Obama posters plastered all over his bedroom too.
Gettysburg Address?! More like Father Guido Sarducci. Remember the "I'ma Still Here!"

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161060 Apr 7, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Okay just tell me this. Do you really think that Joe Biden says all the stupid stuff he does by accident? Is he really that dumb?
Biden's dumb just like President Bush was, and I don't think President Bush was dumb.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161061 Apr 7, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I know that it is unique, but I still hold that everything that the democrats did made things worse. Remember I was a democrat at the time. Martin Luther King was a republican and I don't think he'd have approved of the way things went. Now we have vice-presidents saying things like "they wanna put you back in chains" which I think is just low and he knows it's so untrue but he wants to put as back to the beginning. That is not the way you treat people with dignity.
Martin Luther King was planning the Poor People's Campaign for economic justice when he was murdered in 1968.

Is that the Martin Luther King you claim wouldn't have "approved of the way things went"?

King wanted the government to do MORE of what they'd already done, lisw. His speeches and activities from 1966 through his death make that abundantly clear.

As to the idea that King was a Republican - that's a rumor that's been around for decades. IIRC his father was a Republican at a time when the term Southern Democrat telegraphed a specific mindset that pretty much said all that needed to be said on matters of race.

The most recent versions of that rumor appear to be based on a claim by King's niece with nothing to support it other than supposition based on King's assumed stance on an issue (abortion) that wasn't on the political radar until after her uncle's murder.

Since: Jun 08

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#161062 Apr 7, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Martin Luther King was planning the Poor People's Campaign for economic justice when he was murdered in 1968.
Is that the Martin Luther King you claim wouldn't have "approved of the way things went"?
King wanted the government to do MORE of what they'd already done, lisw. His speeches and activities from 1966 through his death make that abundantly clear.
As to the idea that King was a Republican - that's a rumor that's been around for decades. IIRC his father was a Republican at a time when the term Southern Democrat telegraphed a specific mindset that pretty much said all that needed to be said on matters of race.
The most recent versions of that rumor appear to be based on a claim by King's niece with nothing to support it other than supposition based on King's assumed stance on an issue (abortion) that wasn't on the political radar until after her uncle's murder.
Oh good Lord, do you think the Poor People's campaign was about project housing and welfare?

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161063 Apr 7, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Oh good Lord, do you think the Poor People's campaign was about project housing and welfare?
Since the focus of the Poor People's Campaign was income and housing, and since they went to and camped out in Washington requesting/demanding Congress pass another multi-billion dollar government program in addition to the ones already passed under the Great Society, I think you'd have a real hard time arguing that those weren't a part of the solution that King & Abernathy had in mind.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#161064 Apr 7, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Martin Luther King was planning the Poor People's Campaign for economic justice when he was murdered in 1968.
Is that the Martin Luther King you claim wouldn't have "approved of the way things went"?
King wanted the government to do MORE of what they'd already done, lisw. His speeches and activities from 1966 through his death make that abundantly clear.
As to the idea that King was a Republican - that's a rumor that's been around for decades. IIRC his father was a Republican at a time when the term Southern Democrat telegraphed a specific mindset that pretty much said all that needed to be said on matters of race.
The most recent versions of that rumor appear to be based on a claim by King's niece with nothing to support it other than supposition based on King's assumed stance on an issue (abortion) that wasn't on the political radar until after her uncle's murder.
Not true at all. In fact Alveda King has been quite vocal that one of the reasons for her views if he had lived was his own words that said to work toward a nonviolent solution. Also the fact that he stated he hoped the day would come when a man would be judged not by his color but by his character. Quite sad what has become of his legacy in many parts of this nation are exactly what he spent his lifetime opposing.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#161065 Apr 7, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
Men are always going to think like men, but men can (and should) learn not to bring up something as trivial as appearance in circumstances like Obama found himself.
American women spend of billions of dollars per year on beauty products, cosmetics, fashion etc. Maybe they do it so men won't notice how trivial it is to them.

I don't envy you guys.
It's almost impossible to figure out what women want.

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Buda, TX

#161066 Apr 7, 2013
Beauty products! El barfo.. Perfume stinks! Diamond rings... waste of money and lives. Find a cool rock and marvel at that. It's free and way more spiritually fufilling.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#161067 Apr 7, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Not true at all. In fact Alveda King has been quite vocal that one of the reasons for her views if he had lived was his own words that said to work toward a nonviolent solution. Also the fact that he stated he hoped the day would come when a man would be judged not by his color but by his character. Quite sad what has become of his legacy in many parts of this nation are exactly what he spent his lifetime opposing.
So housing is a violent solution?? And if a person accepts help, they have no character?

Wow.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161068 Apr 7, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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American women spend of billions of dollars per year on beauty products, cosmetics, fashion etc. Maybe they do it so men won't notice how trivial it is to them.
I don't envy you guys.
It's almost impossible to figure out what women want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =RPX2cQP8uoIXX
When you are talking about how a woman is "brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough and she is exactly what youÂ’d want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake", I'd say how attractive she is amounts to trivia, even if she is the "by far the best-looking attorney general in the country".

I say that even knowing that everything you say about how much money and effort is spent on "attractiveness" is true.

It can be a weird world...

Since: Apr 07

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#161069 Apr 7, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
Obama offers to give Senior ctizens less over the course of so many years, BUT,,,,,,,,,,only if the R's agree to raise taxes.........
I know, I know, were in debt up to our eyeballs, but still it would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic.
Agreed. He offers a concession that NOBODY wants and nobody is about to agree to, in order to require something which he knows very well that Republicans would never agree to. It's hard to say whether his "offer" is more cynical than hypocritical, or vice versa.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161070 Apr 7, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Not true at all. In fact Alveda King has been quite vocal that one of the reasons for her views if he had lived was his own words that said to work toward a nonviolent solution. Also the fact that he stated he hoped the day would come when a man would be judged not by his color but by his character. Quite sad what has become of his legacy in many parts of this nation are exactly what he spent his lifetime opposing.
What's not true, Chris?

That King wanted the government to spend more money on housing and welfare in '67 and '68 when he was planning the Poor People's Campaign? The record on that is abundantly clear to anyone familiar with his positions on those issues.

King is a cultural icon. Everybody wants to claim him, including political parties, but neither party has a legitimate claim on his legacy no matter what his children or his niece might argue.

You can make the claim that King would have been a Republican now because of that party's position on abortion. Because he's a Baptist you can't dismiss the claim out of hand, but the record of those closely associated with King at the time of his death doesn't support the notion.

As to the notion that King was a Republican at the time of his death, or at any time after 1960 forward ... the record supports no such claim, and anyone familiar with King's work (particularly his speeches from late 1966 until his murder) knows this.

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#161071 Apr 7, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
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By their actions as a politician or actions from a previous profession? The term "hero" is all too often bandied about recklessly anyway.
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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I agree.
So do I.

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#161072 Apr 7, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
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Hi BobbiG. Didn't think anyone noticed I was gone. Thanks for the welcome.
Book? What book?
Oh, you mean the one I'm writing! Yeah. Finished it, and started another, but having trouble getting out of the gate with it. The whole thing is Crystal clear in my mind, but can't get past page ten without screwing something up. I'll figure it out, sooner or later.

Housing: When I was living in Los Angeles, there were large apartments in the Pico-Union district that were reasonably priced. Went all over the district, applying for and getting rejected. A spanish woman, who watched me go from complex to complex, finally leaned out her window and shouted 'You won't get a place here! You're Indio!' I walked over and stood under her window and asked what that had to do with anything. She said that the owners were from Mexico and south america, and they had instructed the managers to only rent to spanish speaking people.

In 1995, The Los Angeles Times did a story on it, and the housing authority sent letters to the whole area, telling them that discrimination was against the law, and if it continued, they'd be fined and worse.
Don't know that it helped or not.
At least it didn't hurt.

Good news about your book :) People have occasionally suggested to me that I try writing a book--not me, thanks. I don't have a clue what I'd write ABOUT, nor do I have the kind of persistence it would take to get it done. Obviously YOU do :)

How's your grandson?

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#161073 Apr 8, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Agreed. He offers a concession that NOBODY wants and nobody is about to agree to, in order to require something which he knows very well that Republicans would never agree to. It's hard to say whether his "offer" is more cynical than hypocritical, or vice versa.
He (barry, that is) offered it so he could say, "Well, I offered a Compromise, but they flat out rejected it." Sounds good to the clueless, and They are the majority.

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

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#161074 Apr 8, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>At least it didn't hurt.
Good news about your book :) People have occasionally suggested to me that I try writing a book--not me, thanks. I don't have a clue what I'd write ABOUT, nor do I have the kind of persistence it would take to get it done. Obviously YOU do :)
How's your grandson?
The problem is that the housing authority doesn't do what they were created to do, enforce the law. I don't know how many times we went to them with complaints about management of this complex, and they said, every time,'You just have to work it out with them."
One guy owned the place for about a year and a half. He was Great the first three months, but got into the till too much. He was using funds meant for the apartment complex for hookers and dope. One night hiss neighbor (me) called the police on him because he was blasting his music after midnight, on a school night no less. The cops told him to turn it down because it violated noise ordinances. He told them to go screw, because he owned the place, he could do whatever he waanted. Only after the cops began dragging him out of his apartment did the guy agree to turn off his stereo His last month or so here, a hooker ran off with all the rents he had collected, and he couldn't make the payment on the mortgage. He sold to an uptight chinaman, who currently owns the place.
The end of the guy was, he moved to San Francisco, and his house burned down and he lost everything. He tried suicide, driving off the bay bridge. His vehicle fell twenty five feet and landed on its tires. Last I heard, he was still locked up in a mental ward. Don't know if it was from the drugs, or losing everything, or what
He did buy his tenants Tksgiving turkeys that first year. Wasn't all bad. just stupid.

Since: Aug 11

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#161077 Apr 8, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
I'd like to go on record with my opinion that President Obama's remark about our Attorney General being the "...best looking Attorney General ever," was sexist. Who here believes he would have said the same about a male Attorney General?
Even if John Hamm was the Attorney General, I doubt that his looks would be mentioned by the President in a public speech...
Just saying.
He may have offered that opinion if he was a rump wrangler.

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