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#161003 Apr 6, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
Blackheart! It's about time you showed your face in here again. I've missed you :) And how's the book coming along?
Hi BobbiG. Didn't think anyone noticed I was gone. Thanks for the welcome.
Book? What book?
Oh, you mean the one I'm writing! Yeah. Finished it, and started another, but having trouble getting out of the gate with it. The whole thing is Crystal clear in my mind, but can't get past page ten without screwing something up. I'll figure it out, sooner or later.
Housing: When I was living in Los Angeles, there were large apartments in the Pico-Union district that were reasonably priced. Went all over the district, applying for and getting rejected. A spanish woman, who watched me go from complex to complex, finally leaned out her window and shouted 'You won't get a place here! You're Indio!' I walked over and stood under her window and asked what that had to do with anything. She said that the owners were from Mexico and south america, and they had instructed the managers to only rent to spanish speaking people.
In 1995, The Los Angeles Times did a story on it, and the housing authority sent letters to the whole area, telling them that discrimination was against the law, and if it continued, they'd be fined and worse.
Don't know that it helped or not.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#161004 Apr 6, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi BobbiG. Didn't think anyone noticed I was gone. Thanks for the welcome.
Book? What book?
Oh, you mean the one I'm writing! Yeah. Finished it, and started another, but having trouble getting out of the gate with it. The whole thing is Crystal clear in my mind, but can't get past page ten without screwing something up. I'll figure it out, sooner or later.
Housing: When I was living in Los Angeles, there were large apartments in the Pico-Union district that were reasonably priced. Went all over the district, applying for and getting rejected. A spanish woman, who watched me go from complex to complex, finally leaned out her window and shouted 'You won't get a place here! You're Indio!' I walked over and stood under her window and asked what that had to do with anything. She said that the owners were from Mexico and south america, and they had instructed the managers to only rent to spanish speaking people.
In 1995, The Los Angeles Times did a story on it, and the housing authority sent letters to the whole area, telling them that discrimination was against the law, and if it continued, they'd be fined and worse.
Don't know that it helped or not.
Probably not. Federal legislation takes a while to be accepted by 'sovereign entities' such as States.

Ahem.

“Take It To The Limit”

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#161005 Apr 6, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma is, per capita, the 2nd 'richest' tribe in the country.
(They kept their mineral rights, tribally. Only Alaskan Natives did better, and managed to eschew casinos as a 'plan B').
Hi Kat. Truth is, all casinos sprang from the ANCSA Settlement of 1971. The Pequads were the first to notice the loophole that allowed casinos on 'Indian Land'. Of course, the government tried to disallow it, but they would have had to re-write legislation that took forty years to put down on paper in the first place. Pissed them off that the Po' In'Dans got something out of it.
Also, Alaska Natives didn't fare all that well with the ANCSA settlement. Sure they were given a billion dollars, but a large chunk of that went into setting up corporations, and thievery is rampant within the corporate enviornment. Several years ago, Goldbelt purchased a tour ship, and on it's maiden voyage, the captain sunk the dan thing. Goldbelt released a statement that the ship wasn't insured, and that the thirty nine million dollars spent was lost.
How's that for a load of crap? Maritime law says that the ship has to be registered, insured and the Proof Of Insurance has to be made, but thirty nine million dollars disappeared from corporate coffers. Goldbelt shareholders don't have a clue as to how it works, since most of them live in small villages sprinkled along southeast alaska. All they know is that they didn't get a check for five years because of it.
In 1974, wehen I was 16, I was asked to be a member of the board of directors. Thought it was a joke, but the truth was that they had a hell of a time finding eight bodies to hold office that first year. Now the board of directors act like the money received from the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) is theirs, and we shareholders have no business asking about anything to do with anything. forty years of spending our money on vacations, paying themselves bigger salaries than necessary, and holding corporate board meetings in Hawaii, Vegas, LA, and the like.
Huh? Housing? Oh, yeah. Tlingit&Haida Central council built seventy five single family homes in Hoonah, Alaska back in the early eighties. My parents bought one of them.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#161006 Apr 6, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Kat. Truth is, all casinos sprang from the ANCSA Settlement of 1971. The Pequads were the first to notice the loophole that allowed casinos on 'Indian Land'. Of course, the government tried to disallow it, but they would have had to re-write legislation that took forty years to put down on paper in the first place. Pissed them off that the Po' In'Dans got something out of it.
Also, Alaska Natives didn't fare all that well with the ANCSA settlement. Sure they were given a billion dollars, but a large chunk of that went into setting up corporations, and thievery is rampant within the corporate enviornment. Several years ago, Goldbelt purchased a tour ship, and on it's maiden voyage, the captain sunk the dan thing. Goldbelt released a statement that the ship wasn't insured, and that the thirty nine million dollars spent was lost.
How's that for a load of crap? Maritime law says that the ship has to be registered, insured and the Proof Of Insurance has to be made, but thirty nine million dollars disappeared from corporate coffers. Goldbelt shareholders don't have a clue as to how it works, since most of them live in small villages sprinkled along southeast alaska. All they know is that they didn't get a check for five years because of it.
In 1974, wehen I was 16, I was asked to be a member of the board of directors. Thought it was a joke, but the truth was that they had a hell of a time finding eight bodies to hold office that first year. Now the board of directors act like the money received from the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) is theirs, and we shareholders have no business asking about anything to do with anything. forty years of spending our money on vacations, paying themselves bigger salaries than necessary, and holding corporate board meetings in Hawaii, Vegas, LA, and the like.
Huh? Housing? Oh, yeah. Tlingit&Haida Central council built seventy five single family homes in Hoonah, Alaska back in the early eighties. My parents bought one of them.
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Pittsburgh, PA

#161007 Apr 6, 2013
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“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#161008 Apr 6, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
First thing I heard this morning: CONFIRMATION that our Barry wants tax hikes AND cuts to Social Security.
Read that again. Not content with asking, nay, EXPECTING Americans to shell out even more in tax dollars that he and Congress can spend on things like "studying the evolution of duck genitalia" !?!--the bastard ALSO wants cuts to Social Security. SOCIAL SECURITY, the cherished darling of the political world, which every politician inside American borders swears he/she will never allow to be touched. Social Security, which our Barry, who so recently used pictures of shoving Grandma off a cliff to help him win re-election. Just what does he think he's doing NOW?
You re-elected him, America. You got what you wanted. I do hope you're enjoying it.
I believe we have an example here of "damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

If you paid any attention to Ryan's "plan", which was adopted by the Romney campaign, it included cuts to Social Security. Some cynically noted at the time that the cuts didn't affect current recipients, but those in the future, thus avoiding alienating current senior voters by putting the reforms off onto those not yet affected. I may have missed it, but I don't recall anyone "leaning right" being this excited about SS cuts at the time.

Now the President, in an attempt at reaching bipartisan support for a budget plan, has reluctantly ("not ideal", he said) included modest SS reforms in his budget, primarily in the way cost-of-living raises are calculated.

Put simply, the Republican fiscal plan included SS cuts, and this was only noticed by "entitlement liberals". Now the President offers to incorporate some of their ideas, in bipartisan fashion, and he is criticized for it.

This is why I feel it obvious that many critics are more opportunists, than true democratic conservatives.

As my mama used to say, "Can't win for losin'...."

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#161009 Apr 6, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure what you mean by the problems that are left. If problems do remain, if African Americans do not the only thing I can see is that the ones that don't make it have been institutionalized in a way. I don't know exactly how to explain what I'm trying to say. Blackheart is right, blacks were almost exclusively the inhabitants of the projects, but it's not because the blacks wanted that, it's because the government wanted that. Once in that situation, the schools are not good, why would they be if there is little financial support with property taxes. Busing became too difficult, and it's like dominoes, one bad thing creates another, and it's hard to get out. Quite frankly I think the projects were basically meant to be much like the reservations. The promise was something of their own and it never was their own. To me it is miraculous how many african americans have managed to overcome the odds. It speaks well for their determination.
This sounds like what you might call a "drive-by assessment" of public housing. For those of us who actually lived there, the reality paints a different picture.

As a newly divorced mother of two, my mother too advantage of public housing in about 64-66. While waiting for a slot, we lived in relative's houses, and even a garage for a time. In my memory, it it was a representative demographic mix of low-income people - single mothers, elderly, blacks, whites, the gamut. Two of my great-grandmothers also lived in the "projects". I don't know about you, but we were thankful that society, thru gov't, provided a means we could get out of living in a garage.

As for getting out, it comes down to opportunity and desire. For single women at the time, much as was for minorities, in spite of how much desire there was, there just weren't many family-wage jobs for high-school educated women in the 60's (much less today). A woman's best chances at the time were to find a man to marry, and such was the case here - we didn't get out until Mom married a man with a decent job. As hard as it was for a woman, I can only imagine the obstacles for a socially-marginalized minority.

You say it's the gov't who "wants" to keep them there. I say it's a lack of desire on the part of a few, but a lack of opportunity to escape for the overwhelming majority.
indy

Jacksonville, FL

#161010 Apr 6, 2013
antonyto wrote:
Its nice to see you've overlooked that he lied every step of the way. If he had any truth for the invasion of Iraq don't you think he would have gotten more support from around the world?
wether he was right or wrong he did it illegaly. Or does that matter?
...acc to oblamer, the prez has no power, its all congress.... i was quite surprized to hear o exonerate bush without knowing it..... so i wonder, since the prez has no power, and its just congress, how could it have been bush who left him a mess?..he should state congress left him a mess..... and why vote for a demprez? he has no power right?... but he sure seems like he has alot of power, just a chronic liar ....... oblamer lied, people died ....

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#161011 Apr 6, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I mostly like you, you know.
And I know you couldn't possibly care less.
That's life.
Wrong. But that only indicates you have a VERY low threshold.
Suggest you quickly re-evaluate.

Since: Jun 08

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#161012 Apr 6, 2013
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
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Well, I think that when the housing opened, backs were redominantly qualified, socially and economically, and filed up immediate housing, and it just kinda' stayed that way. Not every government housing roject went that way. Yesler Terrace, in Seattle has a fine mix of eople, whites, blacks, Native Americans, and Chinese al living together in a six block area.
Ceder Park, and Geneva Woods, in Juneau Alaska are good examples of housing Not gone to seed. Ceder Park opeed in the late sixties, all wood structures, but well kept, and Geneva Woods, which opened in 1975, was the absolute Best housing project I've ever seen. Beautiful apartments, with well kept grounds and social orde throughout. No gang fights or drunken brawls. Stayed there with my girlfriend for a few weeks before I shipped off to college. There's a decent complex here in redding, but the waiting list is two years long. My daughter is trying to get i there. She's twenty right now, and might end up moving to Oklahoma before anything opens up there.
I'm glad your back, BH.
It makes sense what you're saying, but I can't help but notice that many immigrants came, were hated, lived poor and by the next generation broke out and went elsewhere, whereas many african americans remain in a viscious cycle generation after generation. I can't help but feel if the projects had not occurred, that if the great society had not occurred that full integration would have occurred and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I think with all of the "help" we are giving new immigrants we will see other groups put into that viscious cycle. Obviously it's just a theory, I can't prove it.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#161013 Apr 6, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm glad your back, BH.
It makes sense what you're saying, but I can't help but notice that many immigrants came, were hated, lived poor and by the next generation broke out and went elsewhere, whereas many african americans remain in a viscious cycle generation after generation. I can't help but feel if the projects had not occurred, that if the great society had not occurred that full integration would have occurred and we wouldn't be having this discussion. I think with all of the "help" we are giving new immigrants we will see other groups put into that viscious cycle. Obviously it's just a theory, I can't prove it.
They remain in that cycle because of slavery. They were held down and degraded for generation after generation. You'd know better then I, but thats gotta be hard to break out of. i personally see signs of it happening, but I also think there is a long way to go.
JMO..........

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#161014 Apr 6, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The only real choices we have, are running for office ourselves, or descending upon Congress en masse with picks and staves if that's all we have handy...
JMO
How would we get support? The money is behind the D's and The R's. The committees pick the candidate based on how they will represent the parties interest. If you or i run as a Green party member or an Indy OR Whatever we could barely get off the ground because of financial constraints. We couldnt get nearly the exposure the mainstream politicians could.

Its not gonna be easy. In all honesty anything less then a revolt cant bring change. JMO.

Go ahead and laugh and make fun of me Willie..........

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161017 Apr 6, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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They remain in that cycle because of slavery. They were held down and degraded for generation after generation. You'd know better then I, but thats gotta be hard to break out of. i personally see signs of it happening, but I also think there is a long way to go.
JMO..........
I'm sure you mean slavery + Jim Crow/segregation, but when you just use the term slavery you give a false impression of the timeline by anywhere from seventy to a hundred years (depending on where in the country you're talking about).
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#161028 Apr 6, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I believe we have an example here of "damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.
If you paid any attention to Ryan's "plan", which was adopted by the Romney campaign, it included cuts to Social Security. Some cynically noted at the time that the cuts didn't affect current recipients, but those in the future, thus avoiding alienating current senior voters by putting the reforms off onto those not yet affected. I may have missed it, but I don't recall anyone "leaning right" being this excited about SS cuts at the time.
Now the President, in an attempt at reaching bipartisan support for a budget plan, has reluctantly ("not ideal", he said) included modest SS reforms in his budget, primarily in the way cost-of-living raises are calculated.
Put simply, the Republican fiscal plan included SS cuts, and this was only noticed by "entitlement liberals". Now the President offers to incorporate some of their ideas, in bipartisan fashion, and he is criticized for it.
This is why I feel it obvious that many critics are more opportunists, than true democratic conservatives.
As my mama used to say, "Can't win for losin'...."
Its because he's using it as a bargaining chip (he's dumb like that). And there are no winners. Seniors lose and taxpayers lose..........

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#161029 Apr 6, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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They remain in that cycle because of slavery. They were held down and degraded for generation after generation. You'd know better then I, but thats gotta be hard to break out of. i personally see signs of it happening, but I also think there is a long way to go.
JMO..........
Thanks for not commenting on my viscious vs vicious.
I know that African americans had alot more to deal with. It's not color it's history, but I do think we did a further disservice by allowing segregation, actually encouraging it. This may sound far fetched but I saw so many older people and disabled people just sort of give up when they were put into special housing units. I think it increases their isolation. I'm sure the thought was they were doing them a favor, keeping them comfortable with their own kind, easier to give services to. But I also wonder how much of it is to get them out of sight, for the comfort of other people.

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#161030 Apr 6, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Agree. Well time to help my wifes Dad move into a nuring home. Later.
Good Luck

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#161031 Apr 6, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
How would we get support? The money is behind the D's and The R's. The committees pick the candidate based on how they will represent the parties interest. If you or i run as a Green party member or an Indy OR Whatever we could barely get off the ground because of financial constraints. We couldnt get nearly the exposure the mainstream politicians could.
Its not gonna be easy. In all honesty anything less then a revolt cant bring change. JMO.
Go ahead and laugh and make fun of me Willie..........
Those picks and staves are looking better all the time...I say we start with Congress...and move 'up' from there.

But of course, I'm not the Lone Ranger.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#161032 Apr 6, 2013
I'd like to go on record with my opinion that President Obama's remark about our Attorney General being the "...best looking Attorney General ever," was sexist. Who here believes he would have said the same about a male Attorney General?

Even if John Hamm was the Attorney General, I doubt that his looks would be mentioned by the President in a public speech...

Just saying.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#161033 Apr 6, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for not commenting on my viscious vs vicious.
I know that African americans had alot more to deal with. It's not color it's history, but I do think we did a further disservice by allowing segregation, actually encouraging it. This may sound far fetched but I saw so many older people and disabled people just sort of give up when they were put into special housing units. I think it increases their isolation. I'm sure the thought was they were doing them a favor, keeping them comfortable with their own kind, easier to give services to. But I also wonder how much of it is to get them out of sight, for the comfort of other people.
But lisw, segregation was a fact before the first public housing areas were built (in the 20s or 30s, I think), both north and south, east and west. Segregation was the rule before the end of the Civil War, and as a whole this country was MORE segregated by 1890-1900 than it had been in 1865.

The facts don't support the idea that public housing was intended to hide anyone, since public housing (especially those projects built in the Great Society era) was built where they were already hidden or restricted/confined to.

At the same time the government was building public housing, the government was also taking steps to ensure that fair housing laws were enforced so that those with the means could move wherever they could afford to go. They were also taking steps to ensure that equal employment laws were enforced so that they had the opportunity to get the means to do that.

The comparison with the elderly and handicapped doesn't work because most of the elderly and handicapped put into a facility had, at one time at least, other options that those in public housing never did.

There are more reasons to criticize or find fault with public housing policy than there ever were individual units available at its height 30 years ago. I'm not defending it in whole or in part, but I think your theory/feeling goes way too far overboard.

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