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No, she dos not.
Oh but I do. Though I realize that Clementia is not trying to be a mean person (not talking about you instead of to you,Clementia, I'm very clearly addressing you) she is being a supremacist. It is what has caused some very ugly events in world history. That is the desire to keep the race pure, to keep people separate, in their own little niches. The aryan race supposedly originated from the early egyptians and was supposed to be a superior race. You know where that took Germany. Iranians are convinced of superiority because they descended from the persians. Clementia is trying to say she doesn't think she's better just different and favors remaining in her little niche. But what happens when someone tries to enter her little niche. It gets ugly.
You don't hear her saying "Ooh yuk, I don't want to live with those people" even though she is swearing that isn't what she is saying?
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<quoted text>It's 'just a feeling' in the same way that faith itself is just a feeling, lisw.
My disagreements with Chris run far deeper than the difference between liberal and conservative politics.
But it's not based on any real knowledge of him now is it?
It's no different than a feeling that I might have that someone is not a respecter of women.
Faith is not a feeling, it just is. I don't have a feeling there is a God. I know there is. That's where faith comes in.

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Oh but I do. Though I realize that Clementia is not trying to be a mean person (not talking about you instead of to you,Clementia, I'm very clearly addressing you) she is being a supremacist. It is what has caused some very ugly events in world history. That is the desire to keep the race pure, to keep people separate, in their own little niches. The aryan race supposedly originated from the early egyptians and was supposed to be a superior race. You know where that took Germany. Iranians are convinced of superiority because they descended from the persians. Clementia is trying to say she doesn't think she's better just different and favors remaining in her little niche. But what happens when someone tries to enter her little niche. It gets ugly.
You don't hear her saying "Ooh yuk, I don't want to live with those people" even though she is swearing that isn't what she is saying?
You don't hear yourself 'addressing' Clementia in the third person, even though you are 'swearing' you're talking TO her?

Please.

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<quoted text>But it's not based on any real knowledge of him now is it?
It's no different than a feeling that I might have that someone is not a respecter of women.
Faith is not a feeling, it just is. I don't have a feeling there is a God. I know there is. That's where faith comes in.
Uhhh ... no, it's very, very, very different.

You seem to get this 'feeling' about every male liberal who appears in the thread. You've gotten that feeling with me (over Bachman and Palin), at Hip, most recently with Catcher. You use that as an explanation for why we disagree with you, a reason to discredit us and anything we may say.

It's an easy out.

I'm not trying to do anything like that with people of faith in general, even people of faith of different political persuasions and denominations, not even with Chris.

I'm going to drop this, because in a thread where what we do most often is bash the heck out of one another the point I was trying to make probably couldn't help but get lost. If Chris wants to know more about what I was trying to say to him, he can send me a message.
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<quoted text>Uhhh ... no, it's very, very, very different.
You seem to get this 'feeling' about every male liberal who appears in the thread. You've gotten that feeling with me (over Bachman and Palin), at Hip, most recently with Catcher. You use that as an explanation for why we disagree with you, a reason to discredit us and anything we may say.
It's an easy out.
I'm not trying to do anything like that with people of faith in general, even people of faith of different political persuasions and denominations, not even with Chris.
I'm going to drop this, because in a thread where what we do most often is bash the heck out of one another the point I was trying to make probably couldn't help but get lost. If Chris wants to know more about what I was trying to say to him, he can send me a message.
Seems fair. I'm not trying to bash you Willie. If anything I find that though we think we are so different from each other, in some ways we are not. That's all.

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Hey Lawest. About to call it a night, alarm for 4:36 a.m. Take care.
Good evening Chris, responding to this a few hours after your post so I guess you've already turned in by now, so have a Blessed night.

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And you, Lawest. It's good to see you :)

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And you, Lawest. It's good to see you :)
Thank you RG, and it is good to see you as well, have you heard anything from our friend DS?

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Not at all Hip. The last few days here have been quite enlightening for sure. Last Sunday was a day thats quite important to Christians. I remember when I first started posting here BB asked me to tone it down and remember that this forum wasn't on faith. For the most part I've done that unless some issue came up where faith or religion was at that heart of an issue. What is funny and telling are people like you and big man I'm in China catcher that often talk tolerance have none. Carry on in it.
Well, there ya go, a touch of honesty slips thru. bb points out the impropriety of excess, and you politely comply - I do the same, and I'm "intolerant". As I recall you didn't squeal to bb that "I won't be silenced!" You saw his point - a time and place for everything. Interestingly enough, that was one of my points as well. Apparently ideological alignment has everything to do with whether you're feeling "persecuted".

I know ya'll are expert at avoiding a person's point and assigning a different one entirely, but >for the record<, I was politely silent following Roberta's two "greetings". In fact, people display their faith in here quite frequently, and I defy anyone to find a discouraging comment from me when they do so, even when it gets ponderous and pompous. We've seen entire multi-post lectures on right doctrine and the path to salvation, and you'll find little to no comment from me, except, rarely, in the same vein, recalling my time "in the fold".

Again, it was NOT Roberta's scriptural homilies that drew my initial response. Not even the inevitable knee-jerk "indignation" at Catcher's joke. You gotta admit, the way you and others jumped out there at such a small provocation, it was almost like the "greeting" was bait, and ya'll were poised like holy jackals, primed to spring at the first opportunity to display your God Warrior Mode.

But I was politely silent. The upchuck point was when you tried to add his joke to your precious personal collection of "blessed persecutions" Christians in America have to endure. You're >always< talking about it. I thought it a perfect example to point out just what Chris Clearwater is talking about when he incessantly squeals "Persecution!".

Christians talking about being persecuted in America couldn't be more self-involved. If you know anything at all about the true persecution Christians have, and still, endure for their faith, I'd think you'd be embarrassed to include yourselves in that lot. It's almost like you feel guilty for your soft lives in comparison and have to imagine communing with the saints by ginning up these false "persecutions".
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<quoted text>.......... Not even the inevitable knee-jerk "indignation" at Catcher's joke. You gotta admit, the way you and others jumped out there at such a small provocation, it was almost like the "greeting" was bait, and ya'll were poised like holy jackals, primed to spring at the first opportunity to display your God Warrior Mode.
But I was politely silent.
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The "knee jerk indignation," was a reaction to > Catcher < getting caught doing precisely what he scolds others for. He isn't shy about wagging his boney finger in my direction with his self righteous, "Shame on you, Lyndi" for saying something substantially less insulting. I believe I was on the recieving end of that admonition when at one point I referred to lesbians as "unusally masculine." GASP!

Where were you then?
Nevermind.
Your liberal duplicity is noted. It's like a mental illness with you people.

One final note- I wasn't "indigniant" at the joke. I was indignant at his audacity to laugh at such a joke, send it to his son all the while pretending he's above such things. It amazes me that you blanked out the part where he said his opponents in here weren't above making a towel head comment only find out towel head comments not only don't bother him, he takes the time to FORWARD them.

Now, ain't that a pip!

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<quoted text>Well, there ya go, a touch of honesty slips thru. bb points out the impropriety of excess, and you politely comply - I do the same, and I'm "intolerant". As I recall you didn't squeal to bb that "I won't be silenced!" You saw his point - a time and place for everything. Interestingly enough, that was one of my points as well. Apparently ideological alignment has everything to do with whether you're feeling "persecuted".
I know ya'll are expert at avoiding a person's point and assigning a different one entirely, but >for the record<, I was politely silent following Roberta's two "greetings". In fact, people display their faith in here quite frequently, and I defy anyone to find a discouraging comment from me when they do so, even when it gets ponderous and pompous. We've seen entire multi-post lectures on right doctrine and the path to salvation, and you'll find little to no comment from me, except, rarely, in the same vein, recalling my time "in the fold".
Again, it was NOT Roberta's scriptural homilies that drew my initial response. Not even the inevitable knee-jerk "indignation" at Catcher's joke. You gotta admit, the way you and others jumped out there at such a small provocation, it was almost like the "greeting" was bait, and ya'll were poised like holy jackals, primed to spring at the first opportunity to display your God Warrior Mode.
But I was politely silent. The upchuck point was when you tried to add his joke to your precious personal collection of "blessed persecutions" Christians in America have to endure. You're >always< talking about it. I thought it a perfect example to point out just what Chris Clearwater is talking about when he incessantly squeals "Persecution!".
Christians talking about being persecuted in America couldn't be more self-involved. If you know anything at all about the true persecution Christians have, and still, endure for their faith, I'd think you'd be embarrassed to include yourselves in that lot. It's almost like you feel guilty for your soft lives in comparison and have to imagine communing with the saints by ginning up these false "persecutions".
What exactly are you talking about? The early christians? The romans were very creative in their torture of Christians, I grew up on the stories and it was worse than any horror picture. Or are you talking about the coptic christians in Egypt who are in fear of going to mass because of bombs? i thought we were supposed to live in a country where we didn't have to be afraid. Is bullying by nasty words and an attempt to isolate any less harmful than an atomic wedgy or being stuffed in a locker? C'mon. I don't hear Chris moaning about being hit, he just wuld like to mention how he feels without being told that his Lord is a skydaddy. He isn't hurting you or trying to force you to believe as he does. I think you have a drum to beat and Chris is an easy target because he's young and is not perhaps as sophisticated in his rhetoric. Shame on you. Tolerance is tolerance and you hold yourself up as a beacon of tolerance. That's supposed to include things you don't feel like being tolerant about.

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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>That's not how I remember it, but it's not worth going back and looking.
I agree........

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>What exactly are you talking about? The early christians? The romans were very creative in their torture of Christians, I grew up on the stories and it was worse than any horror picture. Or are you talking about the coptic christians in Egypt who are in fear of going to mass because of bombs? i thought we were supposed to live in a country where we didn't have to be afraid. Is bullying by nasty words and an attempt to isolate any less harmful than an atomic wedgy or being stuffed in a locker? C'mon. I don't hear Chris moaning about being hit, he just wuld like to mention how he feels without being told that his Lord is a skydaddy. He isn't hurting you or trying to force you to believe as he does. I think you have a drum to beat and Chris is an easy target because he's young and is not perhaps as sophisticated in his rhetoric. Shame on you. Tolerance is tolerance and you hold yourself up as a beacon of tolerance. That's supposed to include things you don't feel like being tolerant about.
Hip is not the only one who thinks that Chris can overplay the persecution card at the drop of a hat or the suggestion that the hat may be dropped, and Hip has never been among those who react to the mere mention of faith by screaming about skydaddies et. al.

Seems to me Catcher may have more houses than Mitt Romney ... he's living rent-free in a number of heads.
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WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Hip is not the only one who thinks that Chris can overplay the persecution card at the drop of a hat or the suggestion that the hat may be dropped, and Hip has never been among those who react to the mere mention of faith by screaming about skydaddies et. al.
Seems to me Catcher may have more houses than Mitt Romney ... he's living rent-free in a number of heads.
Why do you keep making it about Catcher? I think he's set up business in your head.

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you keep making it about Catcher? I think he's set up business in your head.
because it was catcher who got this sorry ass gotcha-fest going.

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Lyndi wrote:
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<edited your version of War and Peace for space>
The "knee jerk indignation," was a reaction to > Catcher < getting caught doing precisely what he scolds others for. He isn't shy about wagging his boney finger in my direction with his self righteous, "Shame on you, Lyndi" for saying something substantially less insulting. I believe I was on the recieving end of that admonition when at one point I referred to lesbians as "unusally masculine." GASP!
Where were you then?
Nevermind.
Your liberal duplicity is noted. It's like a mental illness with you people.
One final note- I wasn't "indigniant" at the joke. I was indignant at his audacity to laugh at such a joke, send it to his son all the while pretending he's above such things. It amazes me that you blanked out the part where he said his opponents in here weren't above making a towel head comment only find out towel head comments not only don't bother him, he takes the time to FORWARD them.
Now, ain't that a pip!
Yeah it is.

The "joke" being described in my involvement was merely him saying Roberta was off-topic.

Doh!

Man, you wasted a lot of font there dintcha?

As for your fatuous "lesbian" comment, this is the first I've heard of it. Was I even in the room at the time? You don't know, do ya? Doesn't matter, does it? Your "liberal" bomb is delivered, ain't it?

You apparently think I care so much about what you say that I follow all of your posts, and the responses to them.

Newsflash to Lyndi: I don't.

Right about here I could go your route and use this as a chance to label all "you people" as self-absorbed. But I won't.

In this case, it's just you.

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lisw wrote:
<quoted text>What exactly are you talking about? The early christians? The romans were very creative in their torture of Christians, I grew up on the stories and it was worse than any horror picture. Or are you talking about the coptic christians in Egypt who are in fear of going to mass because of bombs? i thought we were supposed to live in a country where we didn't have to be afraid.
Exactly. I have no idea what you think you read, but you're only re-iterating my point. Go Back To Start, Try Again.
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<quoted text>Is bullying by nasty words and an attempt to isolate any less harmful than an atomic wedgy or being stuffed in a locker? C'mon. I don't hear Chris moaning about being hit,
Exactly - no one is being isolated, or to use CC's words, "marginalized". So, yeah, he jumped upon an innocuous joke to "moan" about being isolated, when in fact nothing of the sort had occurred. Thank you so much.
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<quoted text>he just wuld like to mention how he feels without being told that his Lord is a skydaddy. He isn't hurting you or trying to force you to believe as he does. I think you have a drum to beat and Chris is an easy target because he's young and is not perhaps as sophisticated in his rhetoric. Shame on you. Tolerance is tolerance and you hold yourself up as a beacon of tolerance. That's supposed to include things you don't feel like being tolerant about.
"I think you have a drum to beat..."

That's where we get into trouble every time. Quit trying so hard to psycho-parse what people say. You have no idea what I think beyond what I choose to write, right? I explained myself fully, but you feel you have some special dispensation to divine between the lines on all the inmates. You'll do as you please, but just so's we know, it's your own cut-out doll. It ain't me babe.

In fact, the record shows considerable tolerance to people's expression of faith here, primarily in respectful silence. To no avail, as we see here. May as well let 'er rip, hmm?

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I don't believe this. You people are STILL AT IT?? Do I have to break the "In Case of Emergency" window and haul out the Whack-a-Mole 5000-with-Optional Nuke 'em All switch? For heaven's sake, I just had it installed :P I had to special-order it. If I have to use it, you're ALL DEAD MEAT.
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Hip wrote:
"In fact, the record shows considerable tolerance to people's expression of faith here, primarily in respectful silence. To no avail, as we see here. May as well let 'er rip, hmm?"

Oh man it does not take a psychologist to see your issues. Considerable tolerance ...in respectful silence??? That's rich. I think I'll try that.
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Roberta G wrote:
I don't believe this. You people are STILL AT IT?? Do I have to break the "In Case of Emergency" window and haul out the Whack-a-Mole 5000-with-Optional Nuke 'em All switch? For heaven's sake, I just had it installed :P I had to special-order it. If I have to use it, you're ALL DEAD MEAT.
With all due respect, Roberta, this is no joke or to me a bickerfest. I really feel I have something to say, so whack away, but I have to say what I think is right.

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