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#160823 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The only question I have asked you is if you'd ever lived in Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
As to the 100,000 who died - that's horrible, certainly, but those aren't all deaths from American military activity.
The majority of those people, like the hundreds of thousands of refugees who fled Iraq sectarian violence between Shia, Sunni, and Kurds. I've been arguing on this thread that U.S. mistakes are at least in part responsible for some of that for five and a half years, btw.
Thousands of Iraqis were dying every year, mostly children, as a result of Saddam's refusal to admit he was complying with U.N. sanctions on his former WMD programs. That's not happening any more. Saddam's goon squads aren't running around killing opponents of the regime or people who pissed off some apparatchik in his government, either.
So ... how do you figure the positives and negatives in a situation like this? That's a really hard nut to crack. Some of the people you've been arguing with will gloss right over the fact that the U.S. did in fact kill Iraqis, more of them than we should have, and they'll scream like banshees when you admit that U.S. mistakes played a huge role in allowing the sectarian violence to spiral out of control.
I know that's not what you've been saying - but what you've been saying is no better. You're ready to blame every death in Iraq after 2003 on the U.S. You'll ignore the Iraqis who killed other Iraqis, the activities of al Qaeda and Iran (possibly Syria) and other foreign elements that stirred up and contributed to that violence. You'll gloss over the horror that Saddam perpetrated on his own people for years, just to point out the flaws in the U.S.
My point, I guess, is simple - there are no easy, simple answers to ANY of this. There's no clear cut good guys and bad guys.
No! I live in England, but i would never live in those areas, i told u before!

I don't take sides! What i'm sayin' is that the majority of ALL people on this planet are not very good. They are more like demons than angels, so how u people think governments are good and they care for people, is beyond me!!

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160824 Apr 2, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Hips post to me said in part...
YOU have the right to "display" your personal faith in any and all public place, in any form you choose, no matter how disruptive or confrontational. That's not your problem, right?
Those who just happen to be in the same public place but don't feel as you do must either conform, or remain meekly quiet, out of respect for YOUR faith, right?
I know just enough of the scripture to know who's really being glorified.....
Its crap, nothing less. Last Sunday was Easter and while I know the church has mixed pagen bs into it its still a day most Christians look to to remind them that Jesus is alive. I posted that to me it is the most important Christian day and as such see nothing wrong with speaking of it at this time of year. I don't do it as Hip said to make nonChristians uncomfortable nor toot my own horn as Hip eluded. I can't help that I often speak of Hips intolerance, its so freaking clear. And on catcher the man spent the days after the last election saying on of his main reasons in being happy with the dear leader is to right intolerance in this nation. Ha as D.S. would say.
Let me put it to you this way, Chris, and you can take it for what it's worth.

As a Christian, when Roberta speaks I know without a doubt she is speaking from the heart for the glory of Christ. I can say that even knowing she belongs to a different - a VERY different denomination from mine, and of a political persuasion equally different.

I can't say that about you. I'm not suggesting that you are lying, or that you don't believe what you post, but I do often wonder who it is you are trying to glorify.

You may want to ask yourself, if you do that sort of thing, why it is that this so-called intolerance of Hips always comes out at YOU but not Roberta.

I suspect you will take it the same way you did the last couple times, which is to say you'll ignore it.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160825 Apr 2, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree with you on that. I am sure he later used the way she would express her opinions as an excuse, but originally it was because she supported Romney.
Some of us have had exchanges with catcher on other threads where he is more vocal. i think that plays into it. Others may be sitting quietly in the lurches reading him on those other threads.(shrug).
As far as I know I'm the only one that called him shallow and I stick by that. And in case you haven't noticed I dont take him to seriously.
That's not how I remember it, but it's not worth going back and looking.

He may have played out the same script (how can you support him if you're in favor of/opposed to such-and such) that others acted out on lawest for supporting Obama, but the first post I recall seeing was specific about what he objected to.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#160826 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Let me put it to you this way, Chris, and you can take it for what it's worth.
As a Christian, when Roberta speaks I know without a doubt she is speaking from the heart for the glory of Christ. I can say that even knowing she belongs to a different - a VERY different denomination from mine, and of a political persuasion equally different.
I can't say that about you. I'm not suggesting that you are lying, or that you don't believe what you post, but I do often wonder who it is you are trying to glorify.
You may want to ask yourself, if you do that sort of thing, why it is that this so-called intolerance of Hips always comes out at YOU but not Roberta.
I suspect you will take it the same way you did the last couple times, which is to say you'll ignore it.
It might have something to do with the fact I was raised in the RCC. Not looking to go too far into this in this forum but lets just say after close to 20 years in it it did nothing for me. Fast forward many years and I gave my life to God by being born again. Make no mistake Willie, I get hacked off at people that often speak about God and Christians with a pointing finger as Hip as done since I joined topix in 07. Much of the bad blood is from another forum but it does carry over. I'm now part of a small local church, no denomination other than Christian and feel that the law and rules mean nothing when talking of saving a man. Again much more and this goes right to a faith based forum but I feel compelled to respond.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#160827 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Let me put it to you this way, Chris, and you can take it for what it's worth.
As a Christian, when Roberta speaks I know without a doubt she is speaking from the heart for the glory of Christ. I can say that even knowing she belongs to a different - a VERY different denomination from mine, and of a political persuasion equally different.
I can't say that about you. I'm not suggesting that you are lying, or that you don't believe what you post, but I do often wonder who it is you are trying to glorify.
You may want to ask yourself, if you do that sort of thing, why it is that this so-called intolerance of Hips always comes out at YOU but not Roberta.
I suspect you will take it the same way you did the last couple times, which is to say you'll ignore it.
Btw, even Roberta got hacked off at Hip calling her post praying in public.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#160828 Apr 2, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Good evening everyone.
Hey Lawest. About to call it a night, alarm for 4:36 a.m. Take care.
lisw

Georgetown, OH

#160829 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Let me put it to you this way, Chris, and you can take it for what it's worth.
As a Christian, when Roberta speaks I know without a doubt she is speaking from the heart for the glory of Christ. I can say that even knowing she belongs to a different - a VERY different denomination from mine, and of a political persuasion equally different.
I can't say that about you. I'm not suggesting that you are lying, or that you don't believe what you post, but I do often wonder who it is you are trying to glorify.
You may want to ask yourself, if you do that sort of thing, why it is that this so-called intolerance of Hips always comes out at YOU but not Roberta.
I suspect you will take it the same way you did the last couple times, which is to say you'll ignore it.
Hmmm, that sounds like just a "feeling" you have there, Willie. I get that.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160830 Apr 2, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm, that sounds like just a "feeling" you have there, Willie. I get that.
It's 'just a feeling' in the same way that faith itself is just a feeling, lisw.

My disagreements with Chris run far deeper than the difference between liberal and conservative politics.

Since: Sep 10

Nanning, China

#160831 Apr 2, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
HEY BABE, I'M BACK!!!:-X
Do I continue from where i left off or do i move on? I'm a bit confused!
Hey Clementine, it's about time.

I'm in China and getting a hard time from some of the people on this thread.

Give me some support, dear!

Gotta go, back later.

Since: Sep 10

Nanning, China

#160832 Apr 2, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, talkin' about me!
U don't understand what i'm sayin'!
No, she dos not.
lisw

Georgetown, OH

#160833 Apr 2, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, she dos not.
Oh but I do. Though I realize that Clementia is not trying to be a mean person (not talking about you instead of to you,Clementia, I'm very clearly addressing you) she is being a supremacist. It is what has caused some very ugly events in world history. That is the desire to keep the race pure, to keep people separate, in their own little niches. The aryan race supposedly originated from the early egyptians and was supposed to be a superior race. You know where that took Germany. Iranians are convinced of superiority because they descended from the persians. Clementia is trying to say she doesn't think she's better just different and favors remaining in her little niche. But what happens when someone tries to enter her little niche. It gets ugly.
You don't hear her saying "Ooh yuk, I don't want to live with those people" even though she is swearing that isn't what she is saying?
lisw

Georgetown, OH

#160834 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>It's 'just a feeling' in the same way that faith itself is just a feeling, lisw.
My disagreements with Chris run far deeper than the difference between liberal and conservative politics.
But it's not based on any real knowledge of him now is it?
It's no different than a feeling that I might have that someone is not a respecter of women.
Faith is not a feeling, it just is. I don't have a feeling there is a God. I know there is. That's where faith comes in.

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Since: Jul 12

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#160835 Apr 2, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Oh but I do. Though I realize that Clementia is not trying to be a mean person (not talking about you instead of to you,Clementia, I'm very clearly addressing you) she is being a supremacist. It is what has caused some very ugly events in world history. That is the desire to keep the race pure, to keep people separate, in their own little niches. The aryan race supposedly originated from the early egyptians and was supposed to be a superior race. You know where that took Germany. Iranians are convinced of superiority because they descended from the persians. Clementia is trying to say she doesn't think she's better just different and favors remaining in her little niche. But what happens when someone tries to enter her little niche. It gets ugly.
You don't hear her saying "Ooh yuk, I don't want to live with those people" even though she is swearing that isn't what she is saying?
You don't hear yourself 'addressing' Clementia in the third person, even though you are 'swearing' you're talking TO her?

Please.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160836 Apr 2, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>But it's not based on any real knowledge of him now is it?
It's no different than a feeling that I might have that someone is not a respecter of women.
Faith is not a feeling, it just is. I don't have a feeling there is a God. I know there is. That's where faith comes in.
Uhhh ... no, it's very, very, very different.

You seem to get this 'feeling' about every male liberal who appears in the thread. You've gotten that feeling with me (over Bachman and Palin), at Hip, most recently with Catcher. You use that as an explanation for why we disagree with you, a reason to discredit us and anything we may say.

It's an easy out.

I'm not trying to do anything like that with people of faith in general, even people of faith of different political persuasions and denominations, not even with Chris.

I'm going to drop this, because in a thread where what we do most often is bash the heck out of one another the point I was trying to make probably couldn't help but get lost. If Chris wants to know more about what I was trying to say to him, he can send me a message.
lisw

Georgetown, OH

#160837 Apr 2, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Uhhh ... no, it's very, very, very different.
You seem to get this 'feeling' about every male liberal who appears in the thread. You've gotten that feeling with me (over Bachman and Palin), at Hip, most recently with Catcher. You use that as an explanation for why we disagree with you, a reason to discredit us and anything we may say.
It's an easy out.
I'm not trying to do anything like that with people of faith in general, even people of faith of different political persuasions and denominations, not even with Chris.
I'm going to drop this, because in a thread where what we do most often is bash the heck out of one another the point I was trying to make probably couldn't help but get lost. If Chris wants to know more about what I was trying to say to him, he can send me a message.
Seems fair. I'm not trying to bash you Willie. If anything I find that though we think we are so different from each other, in some ways we are not. That's all.

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#160838 Apr 2, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Lawest. About to call it a night, alarm for 4:36 a.m. Take care.
Good evening Chris, responding to this a few hours after your post so I guess you've already turned in by now, so have a Blessed night.

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#160839 Apr 2, 2013
And you, Lawest. It's good to see you :)

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#160840 Apr 2, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
And you, Lawest. It's good to see you :)
Thank you RG, and it is good to see you as well, have you heard anything from our friend DS?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#160842 Apr 3, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all Hip. The last few days here have been quite enlightening for sure. Last Sunday was a day thats quite important to Christians. I remember when I first started posting here BB asked me to tone it down and remember that this forum wasn't on faith. For the most part I've done that unless some issue came up where faith or religion was at that heart of an issue. What is funny and telling are people like you and big man I'm in China catcher that often talk tolerance have none. Carry on in it.
Well, there ya go, a touch of honesty slips thru. bb points out the impropriety of excess, and you politely comply - I do the same, and I'm "intolerant". As I recall you didn't squeal to bb that "I won't be silenced!" You saw his point - a time and place for everything. Interestingly enough, that was one of my points as well. Apparently ideological alignment has everything to do with whether you're feeling "persecuted".

I know ya'll are expert at avoiding a person's point and assigning a different one entirely, but >for the record<, I was politely silent following Roberta's two "greetings". In fact, people display their faith in here quite frequently, and I defy anyone to find a discouraging comment from me when they do so, even when it gets ponderous and pompous. We've seen entire multi-post lectures on right doctrine and the path to salvation, and you'll find little to no comment from me, except, rarely, in the same vein, recalling my time "in the fold".

Again, it was NOT Roberta's scriptural homilies that drew my initial response. Not even the inevitable knee-jerk "indignation" at Catcher's joke. You gotta admit, the way you and others jumped out there at such a small provocation, it was almost like the "greeting" was bait, and ya'll were poised like holy jackals, primed to spring at the first opportunity to display your God Warrior Mode.

But I was politely silent. The upchuck point was when you tried to add his joke to your precious personal collection of "blessed persecutions" Christians in America have to endure. You're >always< talking about it. I thought it a perfect example to point out just what Chris Clearwater is talking about when he incessantly squeals "Persecution!".

Christians talking about being persecuted in America couldn't be more self-involved. If you know anything at all about the true persecution Christians have, and still, endure for their faith, I'd think you'd be embarrassed to include yourselves in that lot. It's almost like you feel guilty for your soft lives in comparison and have to imagine communing with the saints by ginning up these false "persecutions".
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160843 Apr 3, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>.......... Not even the inevitable knee-jerk "indignation" at Catcher's joke. You gotta admit, the way you and others jumped out there at such a small provocation, it was almost like the "greeting" was bait, and ya'll were poised like holy jackals, primed to spring at the first opportunity to display your God Warrior Mode.
But I was politely silent.
<edited your version of War and Peace for space>

The "knee jerk indignation," was a reaction to > Catcher < getting caught doing precisely what he scolds others for. He isn't shy about wagging his boney finger in my direction with his self righteous, "Shame on you, Lyndi" for saying something substantially less insulting. I believe I was on the recieving end of that admonition when at one point I referred to lesbians as "unusally masculine." GASP!

Where were you then?
Nevermind.
Your liberal duplicity is noted. It's like a mental illness with you people.

One final note- I wasn't "indigniant" at the joke. I was indignant at his audacity to laugh at such a joke, send it to his son all the while pretending he's above such things. It amazes me that you blanked out the part where he said his opponents in here weren't above making a towel head comment only find out towel head comments not only don't bother him, he takes the time to FORWARD them.

Now, ain't that a pip!

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