Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160246 Mar 16, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>A quik list of accomplishments during his administration:
signed equal pay law first day in office,
expanded hate crimes laws,
enacted health care reforms that had been talked about by both parties for the last four decades,
revamped the student loan program,
increased national service programs,
“cash for clunkers” program which served the purpose it was meant to serve, no more nor less,

averted a catastrophic financial collapse,
signed the single largest tax cut in history,
enacted Wall Street reforms (tho' far too little too late),
enacted consumer protections,
appointed the first Hispanic justice to the Supreme Court,
signed a new nuclear weapons treaty with Russia,
provided 9/11 first responders with benefits,
repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
ordered the killing of Osama bin Laden, as well as many other Al Qaeda leaders,
signed agreement to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan,
helped overthrow Muammar Gaddafi,
imposed new sanctions on Iran,
extended employment benefits to same sex partners,
restored a measure of prestige to America on the global stage.

There are many others. Now, you asked for a list of accomplishments, as if there were absolutely none. You can disagree with the size and scope, but you can hardly disqualify these under the strict definition of the term.
He's also had disappointing failures. He does well in elaborating a vision, but depends on others to put together the fine print. Early on he seemed to really think he could craft bipartisan agreement, and was sorely disappointed. I'm certain we disagree as to the reasons for this failure, but the effort was sincere. It appears he has learned from his naivete, and learned to play a little hardball. It remains to be seen how that will play out, but his re-election numbers as well as the national races in total indicate how a majority of the voters feel about it. He's failed to close Gitmo as promised, but this is more another indicator of naivete than unwillingness. He's continued many of the more egregious aspects of the Patriot Act.

As far as I'm concerned, his most tragic and far-reaching failure is the unwillingness to enact true financial reform, unwillingness to challenge Wall St or the financial industry, and unwillingness to hold Big Bank executives responsible for their overt crimes leading to the fiscal meltdown. If for nothing else, it is for this reason alone that, when I hear people toss out the word "socialist", I know dang well they're talking out their hoo-hoo. This guy is hard-wired to the capitalist oligarchy, like it or not. Seeing as Clinton was as well, it seems a hazard of the job today.
Thanks for your post, the only word of which I agree is the word "failure."

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160247 Mar 16, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
So you support Obama, even though he's essentially perpetuating and expanding Bush's assault on the constitution, perpetuating Bush's wars and launching new ones, and even openly assassinating where Bush tried to secretly kidnap and torture?
And who do you think would do better?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#160248 Mar 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your post, the only word of which I agree is the word "failure."
Agree or disagree, that wasn't the question. You asked, "What has he done?" This implies that he's done nothing. I wonder if we can set that frequent, obtusely vague, question to rest. Do you dispute that he signed the Fair Pay Act? Do you dispute that major Al Qaeda leaders have been killed during his administration?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160249 Mar 16, 2013
No, Hip, I don't dispute that. I might be inclined to dispute whether he would have taken such action had the mechanisms to kill them not already been in place, thanks to Bush. However, that would mean a lot of what-ifs, and I don't feel like bothering with that. You probably don't either.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#160250 Mar 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
No, Hip, I don't dispute that. I might be inclined to dispute whether he would have taken such action had the mechanisms to kill them not already been in place, thanks to Bush. However, that would mean a lot of what-ifs, and I don't feel like bothering with that. You probably don't either.
Whoops. You imposed only one condition to your question. One of us (he said with a wink and a grin) violated that one condition. Wanna guess who?
Jim

Austin, TX

#160251 Mar 16, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>And who do you think would do better?
When you say "do better," do you mean someone who is able to operate effectively within the thoroughly corrupt power establishment that has hijacked this nation? I take the opposite view: doing better means challenging entrenched and corrupt power, exposing it to the public scrutiny, making transparent that which is currently opaque.

Any "front runner" who receives Republican or Democratic party support is a servant of the corrupt establishment. That's axiomatic. The two major parties are thoroughly owned at the national level. Both Bush and Obama serve their campaign contributors: banksters and the military industrial complex and big pharma/agra. And none of these industries is remotely concerned with the welfare of human beings and the planet in general.

Rather than a major party endorsement, a better indication of the value of a candidate is whether the mainstream corporate media shuns him or her. If these candidates have no media platform from which to broadcast the issues that they consider important and their solutions to a national audience, then there is an improved chance that they are honest and a threat to the corrupt establishment.

Using this as a first approximation guide, I think a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich administration would be "better." We might wind up with the assassination of one or both of these men (and I would not want that, of course) but the American people need to understand how thoroughly corrupt this nation has become, and how the partnership between cryptocratic government institutions and power/profit-hungry criminal cartels has completely undermined representative government, "balance of power" divisions, etc.

And Cynthia McKinney, a warrior who isn't afraid to take on the "big boys" would certainly be "better" as well.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160252 Mar 16, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Whoops. You imposed only one condition to your question. One of us (he said with a wink and a grin) violated that one condition. Wanna guess who?
Not tonight, darling, I have a headache.

:)
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160253 Mar 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Mellow, dude, surf's up, Jerry, sweet, that's us.
Another great thing: Hardly any Republicans.
Consider hiring one to handle your investments. They have a higher success rate than liberals and aren't apt to lose a bundle of your money investing in-------> windmills.
Do you know what the losses were for Obama's green investments?

Oopsie!

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#160254 Mar 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Not tonight, darling, I have a headache.
:)
Well ain't that way they allus do ya? Give a guy a wink and a sassy sashay, and when ya shows interest they turns all coquettish on ya.

Safe to say he has done sumthin' or other. Safe to say we ain't all just seein' him thru home-ground glass. So maybes we can move on thru that smoke.....;)
lisw

Georgetown, OH

#160255 Mar 16, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Consider hiring one to handle your investments. They have a higher success rate than liberals and aren't apt to lose a bundle of your money investing in-------> windmills.
Do you know what the losses were for Obama's green investments?
Oopsie!
Kelsey Grammar lost a bundle on green energy. he said he thought he couldn't lose when government was investing so much. Funny, I would have thought the opposite.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#160256 Mar 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Another great thing: Hardly any Republicans.
Never mind any checks & balance huh, chaser? Just keep the CA monarchy in place. But your freakin' monarchy has been steering CA to bankruptcy. Some LA suburbs have already declared long ago.

Businesses leaving for Texas and other "friendlier" states,$18B
in debt, and Sacramento's solution, just keep raising taxes.

You're a big part of the problem dumass, and have been for quite some time.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160257 Mar 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We've barely started.
BTW, why isn't Michelle qualified?
Was she born in Kenya too?
Don't do that.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and I have never suggested he wasn't.
===
Michelle for VP? Great. You go for popular and I'll go with the brains and the resume.
Put Michelle toe to toe with Condi Rice in a debate.

I'll bring the popcorn.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160258 Mar 16, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Consider hiring one to handle your investments. They have a higher success rate than liberals and aren't apt to lose a bundle of your money investing in-------> windmills.
Do you know what the losses were for Obama's green investments?
Oopsie!
If I recall correctly, 500 million for Solyndra alone. What I'd like to know is, how much of that is now living peacefully in Swiss banks?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160259 Mar 16, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A president must have the ability to draw the best people to his administration, the ability to work with the opposition, and the insight to make good judgments.
He brought his buddies to DC from Chicago to surround himself with and they're aren't by any stretch of the imagination America's finest. He is unable/unwilling to work with the opposition and his ideology from which he will not waver, swamps his ability to make good judgements.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160261 Mar 16, 2013
Good night, folks. I'm unusually sleepy and this is Saturday night anyway.

BB, I'm glad to see you, I've been wondering where you were :) DS, too.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160262 Mar 16, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Kelsey Grammar lost a bundle on green energy. he said he thought he couldn't lose when government was investing so much. Funny, I would have thought the opposite.
.....and he's a republican. I bet he won't do that again.
Riki

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#160263 Mar 16, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't do that.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and I have never suggested he wasn't.
===
Michelle for VP? Great. You go for popular and I'll go with the brains and the resume.
Put Michelle toe to toe with Condi Rice in a debate.
I'll bring the popcorn.
Condi Rice? You mean your "National Security Adviser" on September 11 (presumably a failure of national security!) who was later promoted to Secretary of State by "Heckuvajob" Bush? Was she promoted because she was competent or because she was connected and played her role well?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160264 Mar 16, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text> Agree or disagree, that wasn't the question. You asked, "What has he done?" This implies that he's done nothing. I wonder if we can set that frequent, obtusely vague, question to rest. Do you dispute that he signed the Fair Pay Act? Do you dispute that major Al Qaeda leaders have been killed during his administration?
The Fair Pay Act is a real dandy. How about some real jobs so we can watch it work?

The previous administration had the chessboard set up for him one step shy of check to take out bin Laden, et al. Obama got the checkmate but someone else put the peices into place.
Nice try though!
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160265 Mar 16, 2013
Riki wrote:
<quoted text>
Condi Rice? You mean your "National Security Adviser" on September 11 (presumably a failure of national security!) who was later promoted to Secretary of State by "Heckuvajob" Bush? Was she promoted because she was competent or because she was connected and played her role well?
Read her bio and get back to me.
http://www.biography.com/people/condoleezza-r...
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160266 Mar 16, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Read her bio and get back to me.
http://www.biography.com/people/condoleezza-r...
Here's more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Na...

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