“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160155 Mar 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Willie, even if you agree only a little with what Cosby said, how on earth can you defend Obama and so much of the Democratic party? And you DO defend them, you know it and so does every other regular on this thread. I know you're a Democrat and a liberal, I understand that. But you are ALSO an absolutely brilliant man, one of the smartest people I've ever met online or offline, AND you have common sense.
There is no doubt, NO doubt whatsoever, that Obama is using that bully pulpit, and every other means at his disposal, to increase government control over the lives of ordinary Americans, and to encourage Americans to rely on the government to look after even the most mundane details of their lives. With your knowledge of law and of history, you know very well that this is COMPLETELY opposite to one of the most important ideas on which this country was founded: that the government is to have limited power, it is NOT to interfere in people's lives, and that most people are not only capable of looking after themselves, but prefer to do so.
Willie, HOW can you defend Obama, and I'd also like to know, WHY are you doing it?
I believe the following is utter rubbish:

"Obama is...increas[ing] government control over the lives of ordinary Americans, and to encourage Americans to rely on the government to look after even the most mundane details of their lives".

I do not believe what you are saying is true, any more than I believed Bush was 'tearing up the Constitution' in going to war in Iraq or in prosecuting the war on terror or any of the other things that some people who opposed him bleated.

It's really simple. If I was scornful of false and ridiculous criticism of a President I didn't vote for either time, why would I not be scornful of the same sort of absurdities when they're hurled at one I did vote for?

No doubt? Hardly.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160156 Mar 13, 2013
I was watching CNN today, while the debate over a bill designed to 'prevent the HHS from waiving (upon state application) the FEDERAL welfare-to-work requirement IN ORDER TO FACILITATE IMPLEMENTING STATE-BY-STATE PLANS' raged in the House of Representatives. I was appalled at the folks who were for this measure. The measure seeks to insist on Federal rules, in place of assenting to any State's request to implement its OWN welfare to work plans. I thought allowing states latitude in implementing Federal law, in order to best serve the people of a particular state, was the whole idea behind de-centralization of the government. And isn't that what Republicans/conservatives are about? So confusing.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160157 Mar 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
I was watching CNN today, while the debate over a bill designed to 'prevent the HHS from waiving (upon state application) the FEDERAL welfare-to-work requirement IN ORDER TO FACILITATE IMPLEMENTING STATE-BY-STATE PLANS' raged in the House of Representatives. I was appalled at the folks who were for this measure. The measure seeks to insist on Federal rules, in place of assenting to any State's request to implement its OWN welfare to work plans. I thought allowing states latitude in implementing Federal law, in order to best serve the people of a particular state, was the whole idea behind de-centralization of the government. And isn't that what Republicans/conservatives are about? So confusing.
Your answer is right here on this page, SKL.

The thinking goes that Obama doesn't really want people to get off welfare. He doesn't really want to give states the authority to waive the five year requirement, he wants to encourage dependency on the state.

So ... you may THINK that what some governors have requested is based on the current economy, but (according to that thinking) you'd be wrong. It's all part of Obama's master plan.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160158 Mar 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Your answer is right here on this page, SKL.
The thinking goes that Obama doesn't really want people to get off welfare. He doesn't really want to give states the authority to waive the five year requirement, he wants to encourage dependency on the state.
So ... you may THINK that what some governors have requested is based on the current economy, but (according to that thinking) you'd be wrong. It's all part of Obama's master plan.
Thanks for this.
I had a link to a site called 'The Hill', which started off thusly:
"The House voted Wednesday to block the Obama administration's attempt to waive a requirement that people must work or prepare for a job in order to receive federal welfare benefits." But that's not EVEN what the bill was really about, as far as I could discern from the debate.

As I said, it's very confusing.
And thanks for not referring to me as 'shovel' too.

:)

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160159 Mar 13, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the following is utter rubbish:
"Obama is...increas[ing] government control over the lives of ordinary Americans, and to encourage Americans to rely on the government to look after even the most mundane details of their lives".

I do not believe what you are saying is true, any more than I believed Bush was 'tearing up the Constitution' in going to war in Iraq or in prosecuting the war on terror or any of the other things that some people who opposed him bleated.

It's really simple. If I was scornful of false and ridiculous criticism of a President I didn't vote for either time, why would I not be scornful of the same sort of absurdities when they're hurled at one I did vote for?

No doubt? Hardly.
Another thing I don't doubt, Willie, is that if you perceived Obama to be doing the things that not just I, but millions across the land, believe him to be doing, you would indeed criticize him for it. But I am flabbergasted that you don't. For someone who is usually so clear-sighted, your vision is strangely clouded here.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160160 Mar 13, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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I explained to you that using Reverend Wright for 20 years as a mentor with his "God Damn America" speeches if not SCARY was disturbing and his lessons are deeply ingrained in Obama. He taught him to turn the tables on the white folk, level the playing field through whatever means necessary, get the money, build an underclass and keep the power.

And if you follow Obama's behavior he's throwing the little people scraps while he's running around living the high life like a kid in a candy store. Is that an elitist or should we just chalk it up to someone who falls into the category of nouveau-riche because having money and power is new to him and he's still in the giddy stage?

You can take the boy out of Chicago but you can't take Chicago out of the boy.
God, this is going to be a long 4 years.
Yes, it is. I can't help thinking of a mid-level drug dealer, who a...uh...friend to the people in the 'hood, paying their electric bills, buying them fancy clothes, etc. He'd be a much better friend to them BY NOT SELLING DRUGS, but as long as he keeps them happy with expensive pacifiers, they're not likely to care or even notice.

And then there's this, found it on the 'Net just now:

__________

In Juvenal's time (55-127 A.D.)...the power of the emperors grew stronger and stronger. The once proud Senate...atrophied into a figurehead of an institution. However, Juvenal felt that the populace took the duties of citizenship far more seriously during the days of the Republic than in the virtual dictatorships of the Caesars.

He lamented that "the people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now meddle no more and longs eagerly for just two things bread and circuses."

Those scornful words "bread and circuses,"...become more meaningful when you understand that Roman citizens became increasingly addicted to free distributions of food and the violent gladiatorial...contests held in the Coliseum ...He felt that Romans had lost the capacity to govern themselves so distracted by mindless self-gratification had they become.

Thus, bread and circuses, is a phrase now used to deplore a population so distracted with entertainment and personal pleasures (sometimes by design of those in power) that they no longer value the civic virtues and bow to civil authority with unquestioned obedience. Bread and Circuses has also become a general term for government policies that seek short-term solutions to public unrest.

Unfortunately, Juvenal's words apply quite strikingly to the United States...

__________

http://www.thomasjamesmartin.com/breadcircus....

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#160161 Mar 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Yes, it is. I can't help thinking of a mid-level drug dealer, who a...uh...friend to the people in the 'hood, paying their electric bills, buying them fancy clothes, etc. He'd be a much better friend to them BY NOT SELLING DRUGS, but as long as he keeps them happy with expensive pacifiers, they're not likely to care or even notice.
And then there's this, found it on the 'Net just now:
__________
In Juvenal's time (55-127 A.D.)...the power of the emperors grew stronger and stronger. The once proud Senate...atrophied into a figurehead of an institution. However, Juvenal felt that the populace took the duties of citizenship far more seriously during the days of the Republic than in the virtual dictatorships of the Caesars.
He lamented that "the people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now meddle no more and longs eagerly for just two things bread and circuses."
Those scornful words "bread and circuses,"...become more meaningful when you understand that Roman citizens became increasingly addicted to free distributions of food and the violent gladiatorial...contests held in the Coliseum ...He felt that Romans had lost the capacity to govern themselves so distracted by mindless self-gratification had they become.
Thus, bread and circuses, is a phrase now used to deplore a population so distracted with entertainment and personal pleasures (sometimes by design of those in power) that they no longer value the civic virtues and bow to civil authority with unquestioned obedience. Bread and Circuses has also become a general term for government policies that seek short-term solutions to public unrest.
Unfortunately, Juvenal's words apply quite strikingly to the United States...
__________
http://www.thomasjamesmartin.com/breadcircus....
What's everybody's take on the new Pope?

My peeps.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160162 Mar 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What's everybody's take on the new Pope?
My peeps.
Everything old is new again...and an interesting choice, if only in a political sense.

The Monarchy of Papal Rome, is as relevant to Catholics as they want it to be.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160163 Mar 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is. I can't help thinking of a mid-level drug dealer, who a...uh...friend to the people in the 'hood, paying their electric bills, buying them fancy clothes, etc. He'd be a much better friend to them BY NOT SELLING DRUGS, but as long as he keeps them happy with expensive pacifiers, they're not likely to care or even notice.
And then there's this, found it on the 'Net just now:
__________
In Juvenal's time (55-127 A.D.)...the power of the emperors grew stronger and stronger. The once proud Senate...atrophied into a figurehead of an institution. However, Juvenal felt that the populace took the duties of citizenship far more seriously during the days of the Republic than in the virtual dictatorships of the Caesars.
He lamented that "the people that once bestowed commands, consulships, legions, and all else, now meddle no more and longs eagerly for just two things bread and circuses."
Those scornful words "bread and circuses,"...become more meaningful when you understand that Roman citizens became increasingly addicted to free distributions of food and the violent gladiatorial...contests held in the Coliseum ...He felt that Romans had lost the capacity to govern themselves so distracted by mindless self-gratification had they become.
Thus, bread and circuses, is a phrase now used to deplore a population so distracted with entertainment and personal pleasures (sometimes by design of those in power) that they no longer value the civic virtues and bow to civil authority with unquestioned obedience. Bread and Circuses has also become a general term for government policies that seek short-term solutions to public unrest.
Unfortunately, Juvenal's words apply quite strikingly to the United States...
__________
http://www.thomasjamesmartin.com/breadcircus....
Those hood'rats are just taking Capitalism to its logical conclusion: Make the most of what you perceive to have.

Do you really think industrialists, or Wall Street, or any pure-profit seeker, plays by inherently different rules than these?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#160164 Mar 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Everything old is new again...and an interesting choice, if only in a political sense.
The Monarchy of Papal Rome, is as relevant to Catholics as they want it to be.
I guess.

I find it all very strange.

One minute, he's a regular guy.

Next minute, he's infallible.

Go figure.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160165 Mar 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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What's everybody's take on the new Pope?
My peeps.
I'm not Catholic, but for what it's worth, I liked what I saw and heard of the man today. There's something about him I found very appealing, even though I never heard of him before this.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#160166 Mar 13, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Those hood'rats are just taking Capitalism to its logical conclusion: Make the most of what you perceive to have.
Do you really think industrialists, or Wall Street, or any pure-profit seeker, plays by inherently different rules than these?
I don't know whether or not those industrialists, etc. DO play by inherently different rules. I DO know that as long as the rules they're playing by are legal, they can play by 'em if they want.

Good to see you, Kat :)

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160167 Mar 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I guess.
I find it all very strange.
One minute, he's a regular guy.
Next minute, he's infallible.
Go figure.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, his wisdom to perform..........

'Splains damn near everything, what?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#160168 Mar 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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I'm not Catholic, but for what it's worth, I liked what I saw and heard of the man today. There's something about him I found very appealing, even though I never heard of him before this.
Me, too.

Seems like a good, humble, decent, caring, and intelligent person.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#160169 Mar 13, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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I don't know whether or not those industrialists, etc. DO play by inherently different rules. I DO know that as long as the rules they're playing by are legal, they can play by 'em if they want.
Good to see you, Kat :)
Applies to most things, here in the good ol' USA.(Thank providence, and the foresight of our forefolks.) Presidents may come and go, but the People will be people regardless.

Good to see you too.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160170 Mar 14, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I guess.
I find it all very strange.
One minute, he's a regular guy.
Next minute, he's infallible.
Go figure.
Just like Obama.
I found that all very strange.
Just a regular guy one minute who no one ever heard of.
Next minute, he's infallible.
Screaming "Obama, Obama" by tearful, adoring crowds isn't any different than screaming "Viva Il Papa" by adoring, tearful crowds.

Go figure.

You never tire of setting yourself up, do you?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#160171 Mar 14, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Just like Obama.
I found that all very strange.
Just a regular guy one minute who no one ever heard of.
Next minute, he's infallible.
Screaming "Obama, Obama" by tearful, adoring crowds isn't any different than screaming "Viva Il Papa" by adoring, tearful crowds.
Go figure.
You never tire of setting yourself up, do you?
Cute.

Lame, but cute.

Keep trying Lyndi, you'll eventually be a real Bill Maher.

Hit us with your best shot now.
Roberta G

Duluth, GA

#160172 Mar 14, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Cute.
Lame, but cute.
Keep trying Lyndi, you'll eventually be a real Bill Maher.
Hit us with your best shot now.
Personally, I think THAT one was a near-fatal chest wound :)

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#160173 Mar 14, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>Personally, I think THAT one was a near-fatal chest wound :)
That's my take on what happened to the Republican party on November 6, 2012.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160174 Mar 14, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>Personally, I think THAT one was a near-fatal chest wound :)
To a bystander, maybe ...

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