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#160105 Mar 10, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Neither pissy or pithy, just the way I feel about the notion that Obama is scary or out to "creat[e] a ruling class". Your examples don't support your fears, in my opinion - but since I think the fear was concluded before you started grabbing stuff to stoke it, that's not surprising.
You've reached WIR territory.
She's far from it, Willie. In fact, she's right. Obama absolutely DOES want a ruling class, although not the kind that ruled France before the French Revolution. He wants a ruling class made up of people who think the government is the answer to all of life's problems. That would include but not be limited to the far-left types such as Michael Moore, and rich people willing to fund the same causes such as Soros, etc.

Don't think that's so outlandish, Willie. I'm afraid that EVERY nation has its "ruling class," no matter what it might be called. Soviet Russia had (or has) its ruling class--the governmental agencies, military brass and those few who control the supplies that everyone wants and needs. They had their pets, Olympic athletes, for instance, who got the best apartments, good quality food supplies, adequate medical care, etc.

It'll be the same here. I'm not saying America could be a Communist nation (God forbid), but a ruling class of some kind WOULD develop, and Obama seems to be trying awfully hard to facilitate that.

I could polish up this post more, I suppose, but it's late and even if I spent all night on it, I'd still get roasted over it, so why bother?

Since: Apr 07

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#160106 Mar 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Lost avatar.
You lost my avatar? I'm genuinely confused :s
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160108 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Neither pissy or pithy, just the way I feel about the notion that Obama is scary or out to "creat[e] a ruling class". Your examples don't support your fears, in my opinion - but since I think the fear was concluded before you started grabbing stuff to stoke it, that's not surprising.
You've reached WIR territory.
Being in Jerimiah Wrights congregation and using him for his spiritual mentor for 20 years if not scary was extremely disturbing. Wright became Obama's father figure because as is too often the case with that segment of our population, Obama's father was MIA perhaps? Wright is another one who thinks the African American community has been gypped and the current white generation owes them. I think it's the foundation for the level playing field platform Obama keeps pushing. The African American community hasn't evened out the playing field on their own so factor in affirmative action and redistribution and entitlements up the ying yang and force a false perception of evening things out. Obama is sick of waiting for things to even out, so his plan is to force it.
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My feeling on that subject is more emphasis needs to be placed on personal responsibility but that unfortunately doesn't sell at the polls as we discoved once again in November. The stats for African American girls/women are around 70% for unwed mothers and missing fathers. The numbers of incarcerated black men are lopsided. The numbers of high school drop-outs are lopsided. And that is a huge problem yet I don't see Obama addressing it. He just wants to bandaid it.

Bill Cosby addressed this forbidden topic when he said,
"People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around...the lower economic people are not holding up their end of the deal. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all that crap, and all of them are in jail....They are standing on the corner and they can't speak English."

Now maybe it's not politically correct to say such things but many truths in todays's world go unchecked because of political correctness and Cosby may have hit on what alot of people think.
Shoving unpleasant truths under the rug and pretending you don't have a problem is very scary to me. Eventually we're going to trip over it and do a face plant.

Oh wait, we already have!

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160109 Mar 11, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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She's far from it, Willie. In fact, she's right. Obama absolutely DOES want a ruling class, although not the kind that ruled France before the French Revolution. He wants a ruling class made up of people who think the government is the answer to all of life's problems. That would include but not be limited to the far-left types such as Michael Moore, and rich people willing to fund the same causes such as Soros, etc.
Don't think that's so outlandish, Willie. I'm afraid that EVERY nation has its "ruling class," no matter what it might be called. Soviet Russia had (or has) its ruling class--the governmental agencies, military brass and those few who control the supplies that everyone wants and needs. They had their pets, Olympic athletes, for instance, who got the best apartments, good quality food supplies, adequate medical care, etc.
It'll be the same here. I'm not saying America could be a Communist nation (God forbid), but a ruling class of some kind WOULD develop, and Obama seems to be trying awfully hard to facilitate that.
I could polish up this post more, I suppose, but it's late and even if I spent all night on it, I'd still get roasted over it, so why bother?
Not only do I think it's completely outlandish, I think it's a bad imitation of what the likes of Occupy scream about - using different bogey-men as the elites, of course.

It's crazy-talk.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160110 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Being in Jerimiah Wrights congregation and using him for his spiritual mentor for 20 years if not scary was extremely disturbing. Wright became Obama's father figure because as is too often the case with that segment of our population, Obama's father was MIA perhaps? Wright is another one who thinks the African American community has been gypped and the current white generation owes them. I think it's the foundation for the level playing field platform Obama keeps pushing. The African American community hasn't evened out the playing field on their own so factor in affirmative action and redistribution and entitlements up the ying yang and force a false perception of evening things out. Obama is sick of waiting for things to even out, so his plan is to force it.
==
My feeling on that subject is more emphasis needs to be placed on personal responsibility but that unfortunately doesn't sell at the polls as we discoved once again in November. The stats for African American girls/women are around 70% for unwed mothers and missing fathers. The numbers of incarcerated black men are lopsided. The numbers of high school drop-outs are lopsided. And that is a huge problem yet I don't see Obama addressing it. He just wants to bandaid it.
Bill Cosby addressed this forbidden topic when he said,
"People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around...the lower economic people are not holding up their end of the deal. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all that crap, and all of them are in jail....They are standing on the corner and they can't speak English."
Now maybe it's not politically correct to say such things but many truths in todays's world go unchecked because of political correctness and Cosby may have hit on what alot of people think.
Shoving unpleasant truths under the rug and pretending you don't have a problem is very scary to me. Eventually we're going to trip over it and do a face plant.
Oh wait, we already have!
Is there supposed to be a connection between this post and my reply to lisw about the elites?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160111 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Not only do I think it's completely outlandish, I think it's a bad imitation of what the likes of Occupy scream about - using different bogey-men as the elites, of course.
It's crazy-talk.
No it isn't crazy talk and calling it crazy talk is your attempt to diminish and wave away what many of us know to be a truth. Obama has a propensity to reward bad behavior and punish good behavior.
Examples? Gun control laws which will primarily effect responsible gun owners. Easy citizenship for illegal immigrants who broke the law getting in here. An entitlement extrvaganza for people not pulling their weight. Taxing outrageously those "rich white guys" because they actually worked to get the things they have so he can give out freebies with OUR money to a huge portion of his voter base.

If we parented the way this guy governs, we'd reward our kids for breaking into someone else's home and punish the kids who make something of themselves. It's a bad idea in the home and it's a bad idea for the nation.

What he should be doing with that star quality thing some of you think he has, is take to the airwaves and tell young African American women to stop having babies at 15 with some kid who will be long gone by the time the child is two. Tell young African Americans not about "revenge" voting but about the value of education. Tell them if thay want >stuff< there is a better way to get it than handouts. And instead of making news by saying if he had a son, he would have looked like Treyvon Martin, or hustling Michelle off to the funeral of a black girl or playing golf with Tiger Woods or hanging with Jay Z and Beyonce.......{gee, do you notice a pattern there?} maybe he ought to be little less obvious that big government is the answer to everything.
We're not stupid. His way is a road to power and democrats have been doing this for decades. I submit if it worked, we wouldn't be in the financial boat we're in now.
Take a look at the 10 most failed cities in the country.
Wanna take a guess as to which party has been holding the reins?


Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160112 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Is there supposed to be a connection between this post and my reply to lisw about the elites?
Is there supposed to be a point to this one besides evasiveness?

You really should see a neurologist. Only the left part of your brain seems to function.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160113 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
No it isn't crazy talk and calling it crazy talk is your attempt to diminish and wave away what many of us know to be a truth. Obama has a propensity to reward bad behavior and punish good behavior.
Examples? Gun control laws which will primarily effect responsible gun owners. Easy citizenship for illegal immigrants who broke the law getting in here. An entitlement extrvaganza for people not pulling their weight. Taxing outrageously those "rich white guys" because they actually worked to get the things they have so he can give out freebies with OUR money to a huge portion of his voter base.
If we parented the way this guy governs, we'd reward our kids for breaking into someone else's home and punish the kids who make something of themselves. It's a bad idea in the home and it's a bad idea for the nation.
What he should be doing with that star quality thing some of you think he has, is take to the airwaves and tell young African American women to stop having babies at 15 with some kid who will be long gone by the time the child is two. Tell young African Americans not about "revenge" voting but about the value of education. Tell them if thay want >stuff< there is a better way to get it than handouts. And instead of making news by saying if he had a son, he would have looked like Treyvon Martin, or hustling Michelle off to the funeral of a black girl or playing golf with Tiger Woods or hanging with Jay Z and Beyonce.......{gee, do you notice a pattern there?} maybe he ought to be little less obvious that big government is the answer to everything.
We're not stupid. His way is a road to power and democrats have been doing this for decades. I submit if it worked, we wouldn't be in the financial boat we're in now.
Take a look at the 10 most failed cities in the country.
Wanna take a guess as to which party has been holding the reins?
I understand you believe your opinions to be 'the truth.'

I don't think it's true. I think it's crazy talk not very different from the kind 'truth' proclaimed by the rebels without a clue in Occupy.

They don't think they're stupid, either.

You might be surprised at how much of what Cosby said I agree with, ditto with at least some of the things that you suggest Obama should use his star power/bully pulpit to point out.

There's even just enough truth to what you say about the tactics Democrats use to win election, enough to make it plausible IF you're not aware that there are other tactics used by Republicans to win elections.

What I wonder is if you know that you're using those?

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160114 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
Is there supposed to be a point to this one besides evasiveness?
You really should see a neurologist. Only the left part of your brain seems to function.
There was nothing evasive about it, Lyndi.

You went off into a rant that started with Jeremiah Wright and went nowhere from there. I didn't and don't see the connection between that post and the one about the elites it was supposedly a reply to.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160115 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>
You might be surprised at how much of what Cosby said I agree with, ditto with at least some of the things that you suggest Obama should use his star power/bully pulpit to point out.
And you know why he won't point them out?
He won't point them out Willie because it would work completely AGAINST his desire to have a bigger, liberal government. And a bigger, liberal government is of no use and won't work if you don't grow and cement in an underclass while simultaneously screwing those with money.

If he lived in Europe, he'd be the president of France.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160116 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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And you know why he won't point them out?
He won't point them out Willie because it would work completely AGAINST his desire to have a bigger, liberal government. And a bigger, liberal government is of no use and won't work if you don't grow and cement in an underclass while simultaneously screwing those with money.
If he lived in Europe, he'd be the president of France.
Uh-huh.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160117 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>There was nothing evasive about it, Lyndi.
You went off into a rant that started with Jeremiah Wright and went nowhere from there. I didn't and don't see the connection between that post and the one about the elites it was supposedly a reply to.
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Neither pissy or pithy, just the way I feel about the notion that Obama is scary or out to "creat[e] a ruling class". Your examples don't support your fears, in my opinion - but since I think the fear was concluded before you started grabbing stuff to stoke it, that's not surprising.
You've reached WIR territory.
I explained to you that using Reverend Wright for 20 years as a mentor with his "God Damn America" speeches if not SCARY was disturbing and his lessons are deeply ingrained in Obama. He taught him to turn the tables on the white folk, level the playing field through whatever means necessary, get the money, build an underclass and keep the power.
And if you follow Obama's behavior he's throwing the little people scraps while he's running around living the high life like a kid in a candy store. Is that an elitist or should we just chalk it up to someone who falls into the category of nouveau-riche because having money and power is new to him and he's still in the giddy stage?

You can take the boy out of Chicago but you can't take Chicago out of the boy.

God, this is going to be a long 4 years.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160118 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
I explained to you that using Reverend Wright for 20 years as a mentor with his "God Damn America" speeches if not SCARY was disturbing and his lessons are deeply ingrained in Obama. He taught him to turn the tables on the white folk, level the playing field through whatever means necessary, get the money, build an underclass and keep the power.
And if you follow Obama's behavior he's throwing the little people scraps while he's running around living the high life like a kid in a candy store. Is that an elitist or should we just chalk it up to someone who falls into the category of nouveau-riche because having money and power is new to him and he's still in the giddy stage?
You can take the boy out of Chicago but you can't take Chicago out of the boy.
God, this is going to be a long 4 years.
It's always a long four years when the White House is held by the party you didn't vote for or don't belong to. The more you buy into the Chicken Little routines, the more you convince yourself that 'they' are going to take away everyone's birthday and attack motherhood, the longer they seem.

Wright, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Tiger Woods, Trayvon? They don't do a thing to establish the intent to create elites. Some of it MAY rise to the level of pandering to specific political constituencies, but that in itself is as American as apple pie. In order to make something sinister out of it, you have to a) really, really want to, or b) not know too awful much about American politics as it's practiced.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#160119 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>It's always a long four years when the White House is held by the party you didn't vote for or don't belong to. The more you buy into the Chicken Little routines, the more you convince yourself that 'they' are going to take away everyone's birthday and attack motherhood, the longer they seem.
Wright, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Tiger Woods, Trayvon? They don't do a thing to establish the intent to create elites. Some of it MAY rise to the level of pandering to specific political constituencies, but that in itself is as American as apple pie. In order to make something sinister out of it, you have to a) really, really want to, or b) not know too awful much about American politics as it's practiced.
He panders to a specific RACE. But in his defense, so do a whole lot of Americans!
If a white, democrat junior senator/community organizer named Bernard O'Reardon who no one ever heard of because he never accomplished anything ran for POTUS instead of Barack Obama, he never would have won.
Do you know why?

laughing-

Since: Apr 07

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#160120 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>It's always a long four years when the White House is held by the party you didn't vote for or don't belong to. The more you buy into the Chicken Little routines, the more you convince yourself that 'they' are going to take away everyone's birthday and attack motherhood, the longer they seem.

Wright, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Tiger Woods, Trayvon? They don't do a thing to establish the intent to create elites. Some of it MAY rise to the level of pandering to specific political constituencies, but that in itself is as American as apple pie. In order to make something sinister out of it, you have to a) really, really want to, or b) not know too awful much about American politics as it's practiced.
"Sinister" is the wrong adjective. Rather, it's cynical, manipulative and vindictive.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160121 Mar 11, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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He panders to a specific RACE. But in his defense, so do a whole lot of Americans!
If a white, democrat junior senator/community organizer named Bernard O'Reardon who no one ever heard of because he never accomplished anything ran for POTUS instead of Barack Obama, he never would have won.
Do you know why?
laughing-
I don't think he does pander, Lyndi, but that probably means I'm pandering too.

One wonder's who's obsessed with race - Obama, or you?

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160122 Mar 11, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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"Sinister" is the wrong adjective. Rather, it's cynical, manipulative and vindictive.
Call it cynical, manipulative and vindictive, or sum all those up as sinister, and it doesn't change the fact that the only proper adjective is fiction.
lisw

Delaware, OH

#160123 Mar 11, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Call it cynical, manipulative and vindictive, or sum all those up as sinister, and it doesn't change the fact that the only proper adjective is fiction.
The problem I think is the way you look at "ruling class" If you compare it to France and England in the 17 and 1800's of course the idea of a ruling class seems ridiculous. Obama doesn't want lords and ladies and viscounts and kings. But the 21st century version is a class of special people. People who for whatever reason are not subject to what is happening to the country. Washington has little clue how things are in the rest of the country. Housing and salaries remain high and those in government and the special interests of Obama are not subject to his new rules. Roberta (or maybe it was Lyndi) is right. In order to make it work well for the government you need a big poor base. There will always be people who do fine in spite of Obama but unfortunately thats a smaller and smaller group.
bibleSays

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#160124 Mar 11, 2013
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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#160125 Mar 11, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>The problem I think is the way you look at "ruling class" If you compare it to France and England in the 17 and 1800's of course the idea of a ruling class seems ridiculous. Obama doesn't want lords and ladies and viscounts and kings. But the 21st century version is a class of special people. People who for whatever reason are not subject to what is happening to the country. Washington has little clue how things are in the rest of the country. Housing and salaries remain high and those in government and the special interests of Obama are not subject to his new rules. Roberta (or maybe it was Lyndi) is right. In order to make it work well for the government you need a big poor base. There will always be people who do fine in spite of Obama but unfortunately thats a smaller and smaller group.
No, that's not the problem. I know the difference between your fictional elites and the fictional elites of the likes of Occupy.

To put it another way, I know the difference between the songs "Joe Hill" and "Welfare Cadillac", and that's the tune I'm hearing hummed 'round these parts.

Hell, it worked for Nixon...

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