Bush is a hero

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#159632 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I know what myopic is and I ain't talking disagree. give me a defense of the actions of Barack Obama. Just one, Willie. Forget what you think of me, let's talk Obama.
I find it interesting you term Obama as a "bad guy" Is that what you really think? I wouldn't know because I have heard nothing in his defense from you or Hip or anyone else who supposedly supports him. All I hear is criticism of those who feel he is bad news and a bad guy.
The bad guy is whoever you didn't want to win the election, lisw - and I kinda thought that would be clear when I wrote it.

What is it that Obama has done or is doing do you want to talk about? We've done health care to death, but there's immigration (I agree with him), gun control (so far I agree), national defense (not so sure), foreign policy (good in some respects, not so good in others), and a host of other things.

I think I've been pretty consistent since this thread started about one thing - Obama ain't nothing but a President, just like the one before him. I was pretty critical of the actions of the one before him, but when people came on just bashing Bush I was pretty damned harsh with them.

Why should I act any differently now? If I skewered the folks who claimed Bush was a bad guy, why should I not equally skewer the folks who are singing the same tune now?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159633 Feb 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>It has sometimes occurred to me that the rage at President Obama is similar to that expressed toward Lincoln in 1861, but somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about.
Currently reading about the 1st decade of the 19th century. Hairy times for a young republic, and yeah the politicized vitriol does seem tame today in comparison. The closest I can think of might be McCain's "inter-racial bastard child". It's hard-wired into the democratic process, I guess.....
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159634 Feb 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Lis I'm not too surprised at the manner in which the left backs Obama. It got down to 2 choices. But I am surprised at the way
they give Obama a pass on numerous key issues. The direction we're headed, the stale economy, staggering debt, unemployment, nanny entitlements, AHC, all of which were to be fixed by Barack.
There is a small percentage of people on the left that hail Obama as a hero. That is NOT Willie. I'd just like to hear his defense of Obama. I'm not hearing "Obama did this and Obama did that" all I'm hearing is "sore loser". It would do my heart good if someone could truly point out something good this man has done.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159635 Feb 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The bad guy is whoever you didn't want to win the election, lisw - and I kinda thought that would be clear when I wrote it.
What is it that Obama has done or is doing do you want to talk about? We've done health care to death, but there's immigration (I agree with him), gun control (so far I agree), national defense (not so sure), foreign policy (good in some respects, not so good in others), and a host of other things.
I think I've been pretty consistent since this thread started about one thing - Obama ain't nothing but a President, just like the one before him. I was pretty critical of the actions of the one before him, but when people came on just bashing Bush I was pretty damned harsh with them.
Why should I act any differently now? If I skewered the folks who claimed Bush was a bad guy, why should I not equally skewer the folks who are singing the same tune now?
Yes we've done health care to death and I could accept it if it weren't for the fact that he totally misrepresented it. You know I tried to read it and failed because it kept changing and as it turns out we know less about it now than we did when it was up for the vote I agree about immigration too but it bothers me how Obama goes about it. Executive orders have no place in immigration reform and he clearly doesn't want an agreement as that would mess up the image that the right is just unreasonable. A bipartisan committee came up with a good plan and he ignored it though most of it is what he says he wants. Guns? I can't believe you really are with him on his handling of this. I'm sorry but I also can't forget that in the primaries you supported Biden. What were you thinking? I know you are proud of your skewering skills but you just said it. You had plenty to say what was wrong with Bush. We had plenty to say what was right. The views on Obama are just as hazy as his administration is.
As for his foreign policy. Do you have any idea what Obama's stance is on Israel? Do you mind sharing what it is if you do?
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159636 Feb 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Really? He went down to the House and forced Golden John and the other 174 Republicans (and 95 Democrats) to vote it in. Is that it?
You know there is a public record, for ready reference. The intent was a gun to Congress' head, so yes, dang right Obama should be crying foul now that the Republicans have instead used it as just another destabilizing tool for political gain. Boehner in 2011 giddily told 60 Minutes he "got 98% of what I wanted." So, now you're trying to say that sequestration was in the 2% he didn't want? Why didn't he say so, then?
This is what I mean. There's reality, and there's the news that fits. Yup, it does go both ways, no question about that. The real question is, who cares enough to chase as close to the truth as one can stand?
You know what I think about the Benghazi spectacle. Death on parade, grapes mixed with herring for lunch. You did watch the Clinton "hearing", right?'Nuff said....
All of this pales (IMO) in comparison with the most opaque, most egregious, most far-reaching deficiency in this administration, and like I said, conservatives can't even admit it's a problem, much less whether something ought to be done. And that's the way it was....
If you are going to operate under such pretense, there's nothing I can say. You have been duped.
Benghazi is no spectacle. Hillary was all over the place and anyone who saw that knows it. Tell me where you have seen the logic in reporting that this was due to a video. Why did that happen? If you can i will listen.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159638 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>If you are going to operate under such pretense, there's nothing I can say. You have been duped.
Benghazi is no spectacle. Hillary was all over the place and anyone who saw that knows it. Tell me where you have seen the logic in reporting that this was due to a video. Why did that happen? If you can i will listen.
What is there to say to people who want to make a political issue out of the chaos inherent in dealing with those people? Why did Bush insist that Huseein was in league with Al Qaeda? Why did Bush make vague references to a mushroom cloud? When have you demanded that investigation? You're acting all verklempt over four people killed in a riotous attack, and able somehow to rationalize the 30,000 casualties resulting from Bush (& Company)'s erroneous "information" sold over the course of months.

I'm not changing the focus. The question has direct bearing. How much do we hold responsible those trying to make sense out of that flea-bitten region in a crisis situation? How consistent are you in your expectations?

They were asked a reason for the attack. Their initial response, as provided by intelligence, was plausible, because these people are crazy about their icons. They've rioted over freeking cartoons, much less a blatantly inflammatory movie. But intelligence got it wrong. They corrected. The error saved no one, it killed no one. >No one< lib or con, mentions that over 40 personnel were rescued from the chaos. The "investigation" is political flummery.

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Since: Jul 10

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#159639 Feb 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>So I'm a low information voter because I won't play your little games?
Of course not, you're a "low information" voter because you only listen to barry's BS. And, sad to say, obama lies to us.

I listen to obama too, but the difference is, you believe him.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159640 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>If you are going to operate under such pretense, there's nothing I can say. You have been duped.
I assume this applies to the budget issue. Which fact cited is "pretense"? Which do you dispute?

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#159641 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose it's beyond your scope of understanding to think that people aren't sore losers for that long. It is beyond you to look at how strange the actions of this president are. Example would be charging people for meetings with him. Another is his swearing he'd have transparency and he is so opaque. I suppose it will take a history book ten years from now to see any truth about this president. In the present you are absolutely myopic. I can accept that, but you need to realize that people's criticism of Barack Obama is out of real concern. Romney (and it took a few seconds to remember his name) is not even a blip on "my" radar screen.
Who's Romney?
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159642 Feb 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>I assume this applies to the budget issue. Which fact cited is "pretense"? Which do you dispute?
It was about a year ago that Obama said he was for sequestration. I know there have been video clips showing that but I remember it because my son-in-law said he hoped sequestration happened.(He is career Navy) I was stunned until I began to understand exactly what it meant. Now Obama denies he was ever for it and wants to villainise the GOP. His pretense and your pretense that you're buying it.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159643 Feb 27, 2013
Oh yes and pretending that Benghazi is "okay" just another incident. Hip if you look it up on fact check you will see that Bush never ever said Saddam Hussein was associated with Al Quaida or 9/11. That's another liberal lie that just stuck it was said so many times.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159644 Feb 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's Romney?
I know. I don't think Romney has been mentioned by anyone on the right for three months.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#159645 Feb 27, 2013
bad bob wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO desperation about it. Without the young people who don't follow politics and couldn't name pictures of the vice president, house speaker, and many more, and without the minority vote, also low info voters, Obama goes back to Chicago.
And I know for certain both you and HipGnosis are well aware of this block of voters who got Barry reelected.
Young people helped. So did women, Hispanics, Blacks. The Republican Party was, and remains, out of touch. You can whine all you want, and insult people as uninformed and stupid, but the fact is that all you have left are Tea Partiers, old white men (and their wives sometimes) and a bunch of dinosaur southerners.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#159646 Feb 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's Romney?
He's they guy you people here anointed as the next great Republican president, the one whose victory I saw celebrated here for weeks.

Prematurely, as it turned out.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#159647 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I know. I don't think Romney has been mentioned by anyone on the right for three months.
Right.

Now it's Rubio, your next great hope.

Fat chance.

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Since: Jul 10

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#159648 Feb 27, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The bad guy is whoever you didn't want to win the election, lisw - and I kinda thought that would be clear when I wrote it.
What is it that Obama has done or is doing do you want to talk about? We've done health care to death, but there's immigration (I agree with him), gun control (so far I agree), national defense (not so sure), foreign policy (good in some respects, not so good in others), and a host of other things.
I think I've been pretty consistent since this thread started about one thing - Obama ain't nothing but a President, just like the one before him. I was pretty critical of the actions of the one before him, but when people came on just bashing Bush I was pretty damned harsh with them.
Why should I act any differently now? If I skewered the folks who claimed Bush was a bad guy, why should I not equally skewer the folks who are singing the same tune now?
barry's stated policy is that only those illegal immigrants that are in this country illegally, and have committed or been involved in felonies, will be deported.

* The hundreds of folks that ICE is releasing in the USA were all scheduled for deportation.

* Before the election, the obama admistration required that federal contractors not notify those employees that would face layoffs due to sequestration, as they were required to do by law... and guaranteed that the federal government would provide coverage for legal costs if those employees were laid off, and later sued.

* Currently, there have been no cuts to ICE's funding, and yet the administration is releasing hundreds of felons into the US cities, based on possible reductions in the amount of budget increase... that have not yet happened.

Your reasoning in supporting the release of these "undocumented immigrant felons"? Don't we grow enough of our own felons right here in the USA... do we really need to include those from other countries?

Why would an "American" President do this to his country? A "hissy fit" because he isn't getting his way?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159649 Feb 27, 2013
lisw wrote:
Oh yes and pretending that Benghazi is "okay" just another incident. Hip if you look it up on fact check you will see that Bush never ever said Saddam Hussein was associated with Al Quaida or 9/11. That's another liberal lie that just stuck it was said so many times.
You're dodging.

Ok. You want to hold Obama responsible for an error in early reporting by an admin official within days of a chaotic incident. An error that caused no deaths, nor prevented any. Right?

You see where I'm going. I specifically said Bush & Company. Did anyone in the Bush admin make these claims (clue: Cheney. Rice. others.) Did Bush correct them? How many died as a result of the erroneous information emanating from the administration over the course of months?

Pertinence to this discussion: Where is the clamor for that investigation?

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#159650 Feb 27, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
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Of course not, you're a "low information" voter because you only listen to barry's BS. And, sad to say, obama lies to us.
I listen to obama too, but the difference is, you believe him.
You're still saying that I'm a low information voter because I don't agree with you.

Since: Feb 13

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#159651 Feb 27, 2013
wow
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159652 Feb 27, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You're dodging.
Ok. You want to hold Obama responsible for an error in early reporting by an admin official within days of a chaotic incident. An error that caused no deaths, nor prevented any. Right?
You see where I'm going. I specifically said Bush & Company. Did anyone in the Bush admin make these claims (clue: Cheney. Rice. others.) Did Bush correct them? How many died as a result of the erroneous information emanating from the administration over the course of months?
Pertinence to this discussion: Where is the clamor for that investigation?
If you can find anywhere that anyone of "Bush and company" actually said that, I'll clamor.

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