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#159585 Feb 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting article recently in Time magazine ...
[WWW puts his fingers in his ears to let Chris's howling about sources pass]
...called "Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us".
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-...
Another interesting thing in that article, looks like the government actually negotiated good prices for Medicaire.......

I would have never geussed that in a million years..........

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Lafayette IN

#159586 Feb 25, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Another interesting thing in that article, looks like the government actually negotiated good prices for Medicaire.......
I would have never geussed that in a million years..........
I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Think of what they could do wit pharmacy prices if their hands weren't tied.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#159587 Feb 25, 2013
Before some wingnut finds an excuse to scream socialist, I am only talking about pharmacy items they pay for

“Pillars of Creation....”

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#159588 Feb 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Think of what they could do wit pharmacy prices if their hands weren't tied.
I should have been aware of that, with all of the talk about Obamacare and how it was going to effect its payments to Doctors and health facilities negativley..........

It just never registered with me, like 10,000 dollar toilets and 500 dollar hammers do..........

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#159590 Feb 25, 2013
I heard on the radio today a family of four will shell out 20 grand just to have Health insurance. Lets just hope they dont have to actually use it. It will send them into bankruptcy............

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Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#159591 Feb 25, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I heard on the radio today a family of four will shell out 20 grand just to have Health insurance. Lets just hope they dont have to actually use it. It will send them into bankruptcy..........
On our new h/c system here in Florida: Note to the libs this is dated today so I hope its new enough.

As the battle over Obamacare was heating up, Republicans were powerless to do anything to stop it. People warned of doctor rationing, of costs actually going up instead of down.

http://observationpostblog.wordpress.com/2013...
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159592 Feb 25, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I heard on the radio today a family of four will shell out 20 grand just to have Health insurance. Lets just hope they dont have to actually use it. It will send them into bankruptcy..........
I am totally confused. Is this "with" Obamacare? There has been alot of talk about sequestration meaning that a quarter million children might not get their vaccinations. How can this be if under Obamacare everyone is supposed to get health insurance which is the way that most children get their childhood vaccinations. What is the truth?

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#159593 Feb 25, 2013
The hits just keep coming:

A major segment of ObamaCare will force cuts in drug and medical device research that “will kill more people than it will help,” according to an astonishing study quoted in Reason Magazine May 24. The government medical program was sold as better health at lower cost. But estimated economic cost will total $1.7 trillion, resulting in 32 million lost years of life.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/tait-trussell/ho...

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#159594 Feb 25, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I heard on the radio today a family of four will shell out 20 grand just to have Health insurance. Lets just hope they dont have to actually use it. It will send them into bankruptcy..........
Saw a report just like that....like, a year ago? Of course, there is, as Paul Harvey would say,..."the rest of the story." The survey was on employer-provided health insurance, and the >total< cost was projected to top $20K...in 2012. Total cost, meaning employee premiums (averaging something like 40%) PLUS employer pickup, which covered the rest. See what I mean? Just a little information fills out the story more clearly.

It's a pdf file so I won't link it, but "Milliman Medical Index" will getcha there.

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Lafayette IN

#159595 Feb 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I am totally confused. Is this "with" Obamacare? There has been alot of talk about sequestration meaning that a quarter million children might not get their vaccinations. How can this be if under Obamacare everyone is supposed to get health insurance which is the way that most children get their childhood vaccinations. What is the truth?
Insurance may be the way most MIDDLE CLASS (and above) children get their vaccinations. The very poor qualify for Medicaid.

My guess is that the cuts will hit county/city health departments and the like that serve the growing number of people who fall into the cracks between middle class and the very poor.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159596 Feb 25, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Saw a report just like that....like, a year ago? Of course, there is, as Paul Harvey would say,..."the rest of the story." The survey was on employer-provided health insurance, and the >total< cost was projected to top $20K...in 2012. Total cost, meaning employee premiums (averaging something like 40%) PLUS employer pickup, which covered the rest. See what I mean? Just a little information fills out the story more clearly.
It's a pdf file so I won't link it, but "Milliman Medical Index" will getcha there.
That's still 8000 a year, not chicken feed. I pay that much individually, but I'm old (yet not old enough for Medicare)I guess that's all I can manage right now is how this effects me and mine. It's not that I don't care about the others it's just that the info put out there I believe is meant to confuse. Noone really wants the "smoke" to clear. Not yet.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159597 Feb 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Insurance may be the way most MIDDLE CLASS (and above) children get their vaccinations. The very poor qualify for Medicaid.
My guess is that the cuts will hit county/city health departments and the like that serve the growing number of people who fall into the cracks between middle class and the very poor.
But aren't those the people that obamacare aims to help? If everyone has insurance through Obamacare it's understood those are not necessarily people who qualify for medicaid. Shouldn't they be able to get vaccinations under Obamacare? Isn't the Obamacare supposed to eliminate the county clinics and the ER visits etc etc? If not what is it supposed to help? I'm not trying to be difficult, I am truly confused what that 1.5 trillion program is supposed to do besides provide a national healthcare database and force insurance companies to ignore preexisting conditions.

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Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#159599 Feb 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>But aren't those the people that obamacare aims to help? If everyone has insurance through Obamacare it's understood those are not necessarily people who qualify for medicaid. Shouldn't they be able to get vaccinations under Obamacare? Isn't the Obamacare supposed to eliminate the county clinics and the ER visits etc etc? If not what is it supposed to help? I'm not trying to be difficult, I am truly confused what that 1.5 trillion program is supposed to do besides provide a national healthcare database and force insurance companies to ignore preexisting conditions.
The goal is to kill private insurance, in short control.

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Lafayette IN

#159600 Feb 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>But aren't those the people that obamacare aims to help? If everyone has insurance through Obamacare it's understood those are not necessarily people who qualify for medicaid. Shouldn't they be able to get vaccinations under Obamacare? Isn't the Obamacare supposed to eliminate the county clinics and the ER visits etc etc? If not what is it supposed to help? I'm not trying to be difficult, I am truly confused what that 1.5 trillion program is supposed to do besides provide a national healthcare database and force insurance companies to ignore preexisting conditions.
The help under Obamacare comes next year - the cuts come in the next several months.

Obamacare is intended to cut down on ER visits as a source of what most of us consider primary care. It should also reduce the amount of medical care county/city health departments have to deliver - but I don't know that it will eliminate all functions (and they have other functions).
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#159601 Feb 25, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>The help under Obamacare comes next year - the cuts come in the next several months.
Obamacare is intended to cut down on ER visits as a source of what most of us consider primary care. It should also reduce the amount of medical care county/city health departments have to deliver - but I don't know that it will eliminate all functions (and they have other functions).
Hm. Okay. Now as for the cuts that are supposed to occur in the next few months. At best they are a gross exaggeration. At worst a total fabrication. In reality there are no real cuts. Sequestration will prevent a huge growth in spending and cause some minor belt tightening. I'm for it.

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#159602 Feb 25, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Hm. Okay. Now as for the cuts that are supposed to occur in the next few months. At best they are a gross exaggeration. At worst a total fabrication. In reality there are no real cuts. Sequestration will prevent a huge growth in spending and cause some minor belt tightening. I'm for it.
If you say so ...

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#159604 Feb 26, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Saw a report just like that....like, a year ago? Of course, there is, as Paul Harvey would say,..."the rest of the story." The survey was on employer-provided health insurance, and the >total< cost was projected to top $20K...in 2012. Total cost, meaning employee premiums (averaging something like 40%) PLUS employer pickup, which covered the rest. See what I mean? Just a little information fills out the story more clearly.
It's a pdf file so I won't link it, but "Milliman Medical Index" will getcha there.
And the rest of that story is how many companies have been granted waivers to Obamacare so they dont have to provide the insurance for their employees. And how many couples dont work for companies that employ over 50 people. And how many companies are reincorporating to avoid the 50 employee mark, and how many employers are dropping fulltime employees to 29 hour work weeks to avoid paying HC..........

I will add though that I hear the gov is going to pick up some that tab through subsidies and tax breaks..........I know there is more info to come out, but I also know of the skyrocketing costs of HI.........Again just a guess but I imagine the big increase is going to be in 2014..........

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#159605 Feb 26, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>If you say so ...
I know you moved, did you move to Washington, DC? That's the only place that I know of where they call it a "spending cut", when they are actually spending more than in the previous year.

"Baseline Budgeting", the religion of DC, and why we never see any "REAL" spending cuts.

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#159606 Feb 26, 2013
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you moved, did you move to Washington, DC? That's the only place that I know of where they call it a "spending cut", when they are actually spending more than in the previous year.
"Baseline Budgeting", the religion of DC, and why we never see any "REAL" spending cuts.
Huh?

If you're looking for someone to play semantic games, look elsewhere.

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#159607 Feb 26, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Huh?
If you're looking for someone to play semantic games, look elsewhere.
The "Low information" voter... barry's "baseline".

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