Bush is a hero

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#159161 Feb 5, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>It's no different than saying that a woman wore a short skirt so she was asking to be raped.
If Palin hadn't been so 'viciously' treated, she wouldn't have had near as much press...and she knew that better than anyone. She gloried in it, Lis, and she did her utmost to keep it in prime time. She wasn't just wearing a short skirt...she was grinding on pervert row, and lap-dancing.

I realize that still doesn't "justify" the depth of anti-Palin frenzy, which gripped many folks during the political campaigns of which she was a part; some of it was pretty awful, especially the stuff about her special needs son, and totally uncalled for.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#159162 Feb 5, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>As I said, we see what we expect to see. You've both shown two fine examples. Not finding what you want expressly in the words, you assume a worst case anyway. Pre-loaded indignation will not be denied.
Hmm, how to elaborate further in a field already sown with mines? Probably just bull ahead and damn the torpedoes.
It was political happenstance that Palin got her opportunity to shine on a national stage. Once freed of the campaign, she made the most of her opportunity. She did so with her eyes wide open. She was not content to be just another political animal. She made herself a firebrand, a "rogue" in her own words.
There's something really odd in the shrill characterization of her alleged "treatment" and the spillover to her family. It's unfortunate, and the excesses were at times deplorable, but again, she did so with eyes wide open, and didn't shrink from the fight. She didn't go and fashion herself any kind of moderate either. She went for max light and max heat, and did so with gusto. Did she "suffer" anything that any other candidate potentially endures, or ever has? Hmm, you might want to reference Andy and Rachel Jackson on that score. Chelsea Clinton might have something further to add. Or Kerry. Or McCain. Or.....
Nothing special "happened" with this politician/commentator, at least not out of proportion with the blaze of her own stoked fire. Yet, there is a special kind of vehemence over the "treatment" this one candidate/political firebrand allegedly received. Not to go so far as to say it smacks of a weird reverse chauvinism, but it's odd in any case, that's for sure. If ya can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Palin became a Master Chef.
Did she profit from the hullabaloo? Damn skippy. Did she work the vitriol that came her way? Like a Gibson Les Paul. She made darn sure that every perceived slam and slur was repeated for maximum exposure. Book and ticket sales spiked accordingly. She toyed with people's expectations right up to the primaries, when any fool could see she had no intention of anything more than keeping her hand in as a player, and squeeze that udder just a leetle more while we're at it.
It's funny yaknow. If she's called stupid, her fans are upset. If one says she played her hand shrewdly and calculatingly brilliant, and provided damn well for her family in the bargain, one is suspected of unspoken guile. So it goes with fan clubs.
I mean, you never got any of my money but still, good for you, Sarah. It was fun while it lasted.
Many of the things happened before she and McCain lost the election. I am not talking so much about after but the immediate reaction to her and during the election cycle. Well, it's over now but it is one of those moments in history where the sharks came out to feed and they didn't try to hide their blood lust.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159163 Feb 5, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of the things happened before she and McCain lost the election. I am not talking so much about after but the immediate reaction to her and during the election cycle. Well, it's over now but it is one of those moments in history where the sharks came out to feed and they didn't try to hide their blood lust.
I would be more inclined to cut Palin a break, if she hadn't brought her family into the limelight so very deliberately. I'm reminded of Liberace's famous words: "They laughed at me, and called me names....I cried all the way to the bank."

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159164 Feb 5, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
In part this is what I am talking about. Usually when a woman, especially an attractive woman and mother, is attacked it brings out a man's chivalrous nature. The things that were said about her, the sexual threats, the name calling, the sly attacks on her daughters would illicit something protective in a man. But, in this case, the pack overrides the chivalry and decency and even nice men become part of the gang and then it is justified with some jab that she'll be recompensed for it so it's all okay.
And this is what I'm talking about. Palin and her supporters made tall hay out of the alleged "attacks", many of which came from obscure and inconsequential sources that wouldn't have made it to the news cycle had Palin not repeated them for effect, ad infinitum. This quickly revealed as a central pillar of their campaign strategy, and was an extremely effective recruiting and fund generation tool.

Romney, on the other hand, sized up a political campaign quite succinctly. Asked about a particularly scurrilous negative ad (from the Gingrich camp), he dismissed the question, saying,”This is, after all, politics. There's no whining in politics." What do Palin fans not get about that?

This is also what I'm talking about. The modern world is a minefield for a male in the Women In The Workplace Era. If you treat them with old-school deference, you >will< be castigated by half the distaff for treating them as weaker members. If you ignore their gender and treat them as you would a man, the other half >will< decry the demise of chivalry. Damned if ya does, danged if ya dasn't.

And this is finally what I'm talking about. Palin enjoyed widespread popularity and success, and enjoyed it long past the typical expiration date of any similar figure. But if 1000 people showed up at a rally, 999 of them could be wildly enthusiastic, but all we'll hear about is the one with an "attack" sign. I get it, it sells tickets. I'm surprised somebody didn't think to co-opt "The Ballad Of John And Yoko" as "The Ballad Of Todd and Sarah."

"Christ ya know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are goin'
they're gonna crucify me."

>cue Sarah's flute solo<
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>No, I am not avoiding the question of the inherent evil of mankind. It is in all of us but hopefully not all of us will give into it. It will not always make an appearance because it takes the right set of circumstances to bring it out. I think the attacks on Sarah Palin by the majority of media outlets caused a fury of like behavior in the general society and then an otherwise decent man like yourself was able to justify what was done to her.

I am not saying that her policies cannot be questioned, her political career, her funny way of talking or any number of things she does that are odd to you but when it comes to the gross things that were leveled at her and her family even I was surprised that even the women leaders of the Left kept silent and I don't expect much from them.
Whoa. Back up, Nelly. Questioning her career and policy statements was >exactly< what I was doing at one point, which still sits there in our back pages, and my comments and questions were summarily ignored, and instead a flurry of gossipy exchanges appeared between fans, which could be summed up as "Oh, some men are just threatened by a strong woman." I'm not sure, but I do believe you were among that choir.

There was, and still is, a lot of that sort of Alaskan Sidestep going on in any attempts to discuss Palin on-point. I suspect there's an unconscious reason why many would rather hyper-focus on alleged "gross things".

You guys got that Palin Defense Package sewn up real nice and tight.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#159165 Feb 5, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I would be more inclined to cut Palin a break, if she hadn't brought her family into the limelight so very deliberately. I'm reminded of Liberace's famous words: "They laughed at me, and called me names....I cried all the way to the bank."
We better move on from a Palin discussion.

The risk is that Lyndi will see it, and we'll be in for a real rant.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#159166 Feb 5, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds really interesting. I'll have to see if they have it at the library. Thanks for the tip! And yes, that finger pointing has been going on a long time.:)
Willie, can you answer me this? I reread Uncle Tom's Cabin not long ago. I loved the character of Uncle Tom. Why is it a name associated with someone who goes along with "Whitey"?
I did not know the answer to that off the top of my head, so I Googled it. This is from Wikipedia, but what it says is consistent with information I've read about the impact of the book.

"American copyright law before 1856 did not give novel authors any control over derivative stage adaptations, so Stowe neither approved the adaptations nor profited from them. Minstrel show retellings in particular, usually performed by white men in blackface, tended to be derisive and pro-slavery, transforming Uncle Tom from Christian martyr to a fool or an apologist for slavery.

"Adapted theatrical performances of the novel remained in continual production in the United States for at least 80 years. These representations had a lasting cultural impact and influenced the pejorative nature of the term Uncle Tom in later popular use."

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159167 Feb 5, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We better move on from a Palin discussion.
The risk is that Lyndi will see it, and we'll be in for a real rant.
Whatchoo mean 'we'........?

(snicker)

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#159168 Feb 5, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Whoa. Back up, Nelly. Questioning her career and policy statements was >exactly< what I was doing at one point, which still sits there in our back pages, and my comments and questions were summarily ignored, and instead a flurry of gossipy exchanges appeared between fans, which could be summed up as "Oh, some men are just threatened by a strong woman." I'm not sure, but I do believe you were among that choir.
There was, and still is, a lot of that sort of Alaskan Sidestep going on in any attempts to discuss Palin on-point. I suspect there's an unconscious reason why many would rather hyper-focus on alleged "gross things".
You guys got that Palin Defense Package sewn up real nice and tight.
I got a chuckle out of that 'it's fair to talk about her career and policy statements' too.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#159169 Feb 5, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Many of the things happened before she and McCain lost the election. I am not talking so much about after but the immediate reaction to her and during the election cycle. Well, it's over now but it is one of those moments in history where the sharks came out to feed and they didn't try to hide their blood lust.
Please excuse my presumption, but I feel like it's a case where many are emotionally invested in a person, and naturally tend to gloss over any wrinkles, and just as naturally resent those who point them out. You surely have to admit at least that there's something more than Sarah-bashing going on when so many from that campaign, and on back to Alaska, who were in her camp at one time, ended up not being fans. One or two disgruntled workers? We could dismiss that. But we're talking about numbers here.

I'm sorry, I still can't see that Ms. Palin underwent anything that all candidates don't endure. She really wasn't ready for that slot, and it showed. She may have been in the future, but not in 2008. But she ended up making lemonade out of a lemon. There's no revenge like success.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#159170 Feb 5, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Please excuse my presumption, but I feel like it's a case where many are emotionally invested in a person, and naturally tend to gloss over any wrinkles, and just as naturally resent those who point them out. You surely have to admit at least that there's something more than Sarah-bashing going on when so many from that campaign, and on back to Alaska, who were in her camp at one time, ended up not being fans. One or two disgruntled workers? We could dismiss that. But we're talking about numbers here.
I'm sorry, I still can't see that Ms. Palin underwent anything that all candidates don't endure. She really wasn't ready for that slot, and it showed. She may have been in the future, but not in 2008. But she ended up making lemonade out of a lemon. There's no revenge like success.
I thought she was hot.

(OK pit bulls, have at me.)
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159171 Feb 5, 2013


George Bush says he sees god in the eyes of the Pope

www.zenit.org/article-22284...

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article...
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159172 Feb 5, 2013

Countdown with Keith Olbermann: Blackwater Xe Crusades

Backwater was founded by the Knighted Roman Catholic Erik Prince with former CIA and fellow Knights of Malta Cofer Black and Joseph Schmitz. Many of their mercs come from the South American dirty wars serving other divisions of Blackwater.
www.youtube.com/watch...
www.youtube.com/watch...
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159173 Feb 5, 2013

The USA Patriot Act was drafted by the Jesuit professor Veit Dinh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_D._Dinh


The current Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was a Jesuit professor and school administrator. They write history, committing the war crimes then write themselves out of history. Panetta came from the director of the CIA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta


Roman Catholic Nancy Pelosi explains the New World Order!

www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#159175 Feb 5, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, I wouldn't consider it to be very funny.
Did you live in northern Virginia, or in the other Virginia? I lived in Montgomery County, Maryland, D.C. suburbs.
I've lived in both. It does seem kind of like there's more than one Virginia, for sure--the one in northern VA and the rest of the state :)

From the age of 5 to 14, I lived in Virginia Beach and I still consider it to be my hometown. Then we moved to Tabb, VA which is in York County, and slightly north of Hampton and Newport News. Daddy worked first for ITT, then for Control Data Corporation, designing computer systems for missiles at Langley.

In my high school senior year, he was transferred to Monmouth County, New Jersey where I graduated and we lived there 5 years. When he was transferred to Alexandria, VA in 1984, I wasn't ready yet to live on my own, so I went with him and my stepma.

While living with them, I met my future husband while I waited tables at the Denny's in Woodbridge, VA. We got married in 1987 and continued living in or near Woodbridge until just before 9-11-01. We moved here to northwestern TN then, but to this day I consider myself a VIRGINIAN and that's never going to change :)

My pal DS Higgins drew me to this thread several years ago now, when he and I met in an thread discussing the response to illegal immigrants then taking place in Woodbridge. We found that both of us knew the area very well--he was surprised at how intimately I knew the town, able to tell him exactly where a particular apartment complex or grocery store was located, for instance :) Eventually he invited me here, and this thread has been blessed with my intelligence, charm, grace and wisdom ever since ;)
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159176 Feb 5, 2013

George Bush was knighted at Yale's exclusive Skull & Bones fraternity (Knights of Eulogia).

www.secretsofthetomb.com/excerpt.asp


Greek letter college fraternities and Freemasonry

http://archive.org/details/SteveCokelyExposes...
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159177 Feb 5, 2013
Klink

Lawson, MO

#159178 Feb 5, 2013

"It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the "Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons," etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris." (Isis Unveiled, H. P. Blavatsky, p.390)


Timeline of Freemasonry

www.robertlomas.com/Freemason/Origins.html

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#159179 Feb 5, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We better move on from a Palin discussion.
The risk is that Lyndi will see it, and we'll be in for a real rant.
Ahhh jesting again, Chaser? You need a new writer. Rants can come from ANYone, ANYtime, on ANY topic.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#159180 Feb 5, 2013
Klink wrote:
"It is curious to note too that most of the bodies which work these, such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple, Fessler's Rite, the "Grand Council of the Emperors of the East and West -- Sovereign Prince Masons," etc., etc., are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola. The Baron Hundt, Chevalier Ramsay, Tschoudy, Zinnendorf, and numerous others who founded the grades in these rites, worked under instructions from the General of the Jesuits. The nest where these high degrees were hatched, and no Masonic rite is free from their baleful influence more or less, was the Jesuit College of Clermont at Paris." (Isis Unveiled, H. P. Blavatsky, p.390)
Timeline of Freemasonry
www.robertlomas.com/Freemason/Origins.html
Dude we've already got enough "copy & paste" trolls in here.

Dammit, if YOU got something to say, spit it out.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#159187 Feb 6, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Please Chris - family and values don't 'drive libs crazy'. It's the Right's insistence that the only true 'values' are their values, and that the Right wants to define "family," narrowly, for the rest of us, that makes the rest of us grind our teeth at night.
'What to Expect When No One's Expecting': Book Reveals Left's Dream of Child-Free America

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

And if these have a dream come true families will go away, at least as we once knew them.

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