Bush is a hero

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158675 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand your need to bring up anybody else, just because I consider Prager to be a scumbag.
I didn't say he's a scumbag merely because he "speaks on character and failed my morality test." I think he's a scumbag--a miserable human being, a twisted, bloodthirsty, nasty, hateful, arrogant individual--for lots of reasons. I have come to that conclusion after listening to him for many years. That's my view, and you of course are free to disagree with it.
Some other day, maybe we'll discuss MLK, or John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, Bill Clinton, Mark Sanford, Pat Robertson, Pete Rose, Lance Armstrong, Charley Brown, Lindsey Lohan, Jesus, anybody you or Lyndi or anybody else wants. Oh yeah, George Bush too, after all this thread is dedicated to the guy.
For now, please accept that I consider Dennis Prager to be a scumbag.
You gotta love the tolerance of the Left.It sure looks like hate.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158676 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I'd say that Charlie Brown, he's a clown ... but that would probably just prove I'm intolerant.
Whether that would be to clowns or cartoon characters, I'm not sure.
The goal is to prove you're a hypocrite - that you only dis Prager because he's a conservative. If you dis a living breathing still talking Prager but hold in esteem a person who's been dead for 45 years, why, there you go - it must be because Prager's a conservative.
But alas, logic is often lost on the young.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158677 Feb 1, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
You take the 5'th an awful lot counselor..........
Ain't no way the boy's a counselor.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158678 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Now, speaking of skirting...
You posted that Prager was just stating his views based on his understanding of American history and tradition (or words to that effect.
There are individuals who would take the position that "based on [their] views of American History and tradition" that as a Jew he has no right to opine about what is or is not American.
Would you take exception to me characterizing them as ignorant too, and would that call into question my 'tolerance'?
At issue is Catcher's moral outrage regarding Prager. He brought up his moral standards. I asked him why MLK was in a different catagory because he did what Catcher accused him of. You brought up the Ellis incident. I could care less how you feel about Prager. I posted the essays so people would know (if they cared) what your outrage was over. Catcher seems to be young and hasn't thought all his hatred through. He just hates. You, on the other hand, have had years to at least develop your reasons for hating.
I had no idea that being dead for 45 years changed the criterion for morality or being regarded as a scumbag. Maybe Bill Clinton has a chance.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158679 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>...
There are individuals who would take the position that "based on [their] views of American History and tradition" that as a Jew he has no right to opine about what is or is not American.
Would you take exception to me characterizing them as ignorant too, and would that call into question my 'tolerance'?
If you mean would I get all butt hurt and feign moral outrage? Nah, not my style.

All opinions can be voiced, not all are valid. Ignorance does not enter in. Opposing world views are at the core of the matter.

Your tolerance is beyond questioned. I don't even see it in this hemisphere.
uidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#158680 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
But alas, logic is often lost on the young.
Hey , watch it, not all young are without logic, and we can say about old as some without logic...

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158681 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
At issue is Catcher's moral outrage regarding Prager. He brought up his moral standards. I asked him why MLK was in a different catagory because he did what Catcher accused him of. You brought up the Ellis incident. I could care less how you feel about Prager. I posted the essays so people would know (if they cared) what your outrage was over. Catcher seems to be young and hasn't thought all his hatred through. He just hates. You, on the other hand, have had years to at least develop your reasons for hating.
I had no idea that being dead for 45 years changed the criterion for morality or being regarded as a scumbag. Maybe Bill Clinton has a chance.
You really are laying on the buzzwords thick and fast, Pern.

Hate, outrage, tolerance ... what's next? RJW

At issue between you and me is your claim that I'm being intolerant when I characterize Prager's views as ignorant, and as far as I can tell you have no reason for doing so other than your desire to shift the conversation away from Prager and back into familiar territory.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158682 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
If you mean would I get all butt hurt and feign moral outrage? Nah, not my style.
All opinions can be voiced, not all are valid. Ignorance does not enter in. Opposing world views are at the core of the matter.
Your tolerance is beyond questioned. I don't even see it in this hemisphere.
I agree that all opinions can be voiced, but to claim that ignorance doesn't enter into it is about as dumb a thing as I've ever heard.

Oh, and a question - is feigned outrage a separate buzzword from just plain outrage?

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158683 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that all opinions can be voiced, but to claim that ignorance doesn't enter into it is about as dumb a thing as I've ever heard.
Oh, and a question - is feigned outrage a separate buzzword from just plain outrage?
ig·no·rant
/&#712;ign&#601;r& #601;nt/
Adjective
Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".
Synonyms
illiterate - nescient - unlettered - unlearned

You misuse the word then. There is nothing about Prager that equals this definition. He is educated, he is informed, he is nowledgeable, he is aware.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158684 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that all opinions can be voiced, but to claim that ignorance doesn't enter into it is about as dumb a thing as I've ever heard.
Oh, and a question - is feigned outrage a separate buzzword from just plain outrage?
Let's see if you get this definition on your own.
Feigned means...fill in the blank.
uidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#158685 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if you get this definition on your own.
Feigned means...fill in the blank.
Deflecting again i see! Pretending that you ARE sly mtf but you not, YOU MAKING YOURSELF OUT TO BE A FOOL! bwhaHAHAHAAA! yep another mendacious obsequious subservient of mentally challenged fascist fool AND TOOL in our very presence, I SEE u STILL LICKING hILTER BOOTSTRAP AND PREACHING the 'MEIN KEMPF!' GET OF THE KOOLADE fASCIST wArmongering peon!

mwBhaahahahahaa :)........ No Commie here!

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158686 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
ig·no·rant
/&#712;ign&#601;r& #601;nt/
Adjective
Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".
Synonyms
illiterate - nescient - unlettered - unlearned
You misuse the word then. There is nothing about Prager that equals this definition. He is educated, he is informed, he is nowledgeable, he is aware.
Ahhh ... semantics.

I have to question educated and informed as descriptors of someone who would even suggest a Representative swearing in on the Koran 'will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11', or that such an act 'undermines' American civilization, or that such an act 'emboldens Muslim terrorists'.

Perhaps in a hyper-technical sense ignorant is the wrong word, but as far as common usage goes I'm not so sure. Stupid (b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts; c : lacking intelligence or reason) doesn't quite fit either.

I'm inclined to go with my original choice, however.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158687 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh ... semantics.
I have to question educated and informed as descriptors of someone who would even suggest a Representative swearing in on the Koran 'will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11', or that such an act 'undermines' American civilization, or that such an act 'emboldens Muslim terrorists'.
Perhaps in a hyper-technical sense ignorant is the wrong word, but as far as common usage goes I'm not so sure. Stupid (b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts; c : lacking intelligence or reason) doesn't quite fit either.
I'm inclined to go with my original choice, however.
I'm sticking with scumbag.

He does this sort of stuff on purpose, to rile up his base, and vilify all Muslims.

How about toad?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#158688 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
(smiles) I totally understand what you're saying here. The people here, friend and foe (politically speaking), do quite often feel like family while providing a certain amount of anonymity so the gloves can be removed. It is a place to let out that feeling that arises when we watch the news and yell at the TV because they don't represent our point of view. Like I said, fun and dysfunction all in one place!
That's a pretty fair summing-up :)

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158689 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if you get this definition on your own.
Feigned means...fill in the blank.
I know the definition, silly.

My question was whether combining it with outraged counts as a separate buzzword.

Look, I get it. You have to elevate my disdain for Prager into outrage to make me appear unreasonable. You have to accuse me of feigning the outrage because no reasonable person could disagree with someone you agree with. You have turn attention away from Prager's intolerance, so you try and make it a question of my tolerance.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158690 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh ... semantics.
I have to question educated and informed as descriptors of someone who would even suggest a Representative swearing in on the Koran 'will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11', or that such an act 'undermines' American civilization, or that such an act 'emboldens Muslim terrorists'.
Perhaps in a hyper-technical sense ignorant is the wrong word, but as far as common usage goes I'm not so sure. Stupid (b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts; c : lacking intelligence or reason) doesn't quite fit either.
I'm inclined to go with my original choice, however.
Well of course you would.
Like I noted, tolerance is not your strong suit but your are great at the judging thing.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158691 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I know the definition, silly.
My question was whether combining it with outraged counts as a separate buzzword.
Look, I get it. You have to elevate my disdain for Prager into outrage to make me appear unreasonable. You have to accuse me of feigning the outrage because no reasonable person could disagree with someone you agree with. You have turn attention away from Prager's intolerance, so you try and make it a question of my tolerance.
I don't recall saying you feigned outrage.

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Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158692 Feb 1, 2013
Here is my post:
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
If you mean would I get all butt hurt and feign moral outrage? Nah, not my style.
All opinions can be voiced, not all are valid. Ignorance does not enter in. Opposing world views are at the core of the matter.
Your tolerance is beyond questioned. I don't even see it in this hemisphere.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158693 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You really are laying on the buzzwords thick and fast, Pern.
Hate, outrage, tolerance ... what's next?...
I just had to post this:
Radio talk show host Dennis Prager told The Daily Caller that he believes American Muslims can revitalize Islamic civilization.

“America will nurture a new Muslim — one who can believe in Muhammad and the Quran but who abandons belief in a Shariah-based state and affirms the primary American value of individual liberty, which has not been a normative Islamic value,” Prager argued.

“We already have such Muslims in America. Needless to say, the mainstream media ignore these Muslims, just as they do conservative blacks.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/26/radio-talk-...

But I am sure you will find this fitting in with your definition of ignorant.

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Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158694 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't recall saying you feigned outrage.
Sure seems that way to me, even if you didn't come right out and say it. Why would you pretend to tell me what you WOULDN'T do if you weren't trying to imply that's what I was doing?

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