Bush is a hero

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158597 Jan 31, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>His right to voice his opinion in any way he sees fit is not in question - at least not by me. Don't know why you would even ask me that.
There's a difference between respecting the right to express an opinion and respecting the opinion.
Yes, Pern, I think he is ignorant. I would think the same thing about someone questioning a Jew or a Christian or a member of The Church of God the Utterly Indifferent for swearing in on the Torah, the Bible, or a first edition of The Sirens of Titan signed by Kurt Vonnegut his own self.
And here is his rebuttal of the criticisms blasted at him over his original article.
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2...

This is the core of his problem with Keith Ellis:
"Why wouldn't Ellison bring a Bible along with the Koran? That he chose not to is the narcissism of multiculturalism that I referred to: The individual's culture trumps the national culture."

and a bit of background he provides regarding the blow up:

"First, it was Keith Ellison who raised the entire issue of taking an oath on a Koran rather than a Bible. He did not make his announcement in the hopes that it would be ignored but to make a statement. I was responding to that statement. Critics who are unhappy with it becoming an issue should direct their ire at Mr. Ellison."

Anyways, it's bedtime. Good night.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158598 Jan 31, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
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I didn't ask you to respect the opinion. My comments were regarding your judgment of him being an ignorant s.o.b. His opinion doesn't make him ignorant. He took a stand based on his views of American History and tradition. Maybe not thought through to the same conclusions as you would reach but not ignorant. His view is different than yours.
I find it more interesting that you judge him to be an ignorant s.o.b. in all areas based on his opinion in one.
There are individuals who would take the position that "based on [their] views of American History and tradition" that as a Jew he has no right to opine about what is or is not American.

Would you take exception to me characterizing them as ignorant too?

Someone expressing views like that is not someone I'd pay the slightest bit of attention to on anything related to American politics. I also know he's a snake oil salesman in the phony culture war industry - another clear sign to disregard someone completely.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158599 Jan 31, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the article by Dennis Prager if anyone is interested in what the hubbub is about.
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2...
This is the parting shot in the opinion piece, "When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble."
It reeks of ignorance just as much today as it did six years ago, although I'd forgotten how superficial the 'unifying value system' crap was.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158600 Jan 31, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the article by Dennis Prager if anyone is interested in what the hubbub is about.
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2...
This is the parting shot in the opinion piece, "When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble."
That's what I mean.

He hides behind the skirt of patriotism, thumps the Bible, to promote his rigid, religious and authoritarian world view. And he doesn't care that it marginalize the minorities.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158601 Jan 31, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>There are individuals who would take the position that "based on [their] views of American History and tradition" that as a Jew he has no right to opine about what is or is not American.
Would you take exception to me characterizing them as ignorant too?
Someone expressing views like that is not someone I'd pay the slightest bit of attention to on anything related to American politics. I also know he's a snake oil salesman in the phony culture war industry - another clear sign to disregard someone completely.
Very well stated.

I was going to give it a go--my example was going to be somebody who says Blacks or whoever is an inferior race. I make my judgment right then and there. No pass go, no collect $200.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158602 Jan 31, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
And here is his rebuttal of the criticisms blasted at him over his original article.
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2...
This is the core of his problem with Keith Ellis:
"Why wouldn't Ellison bring a Bible along with the Koran? That he chose not to is the narcissism of multiculturalism that I referred to: The individual's culture trumps the national culture."
and a bit of background he provides regarding the blow up:
"First, it was Keith Ellison who raised the entire issue of taking an oath on a Koran rather than a Bible. He did not make his announcement in the hopes that it would be ignored but to make a statement. I was responding to that statement. Critics who are unhappy with it becoming an issue should direct their ire at Mr. Ellison."
Anyways, it's bedtime. Good night.
See, you tuck the right buzzwords ("narcissism of multiculturalism") into a statement and you can sell ANYTHING to a willing buyer.

Ellison, a Muslim, announced that he'd take his oath of office on the book he holds as holy.

What's the issue?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#158603 Feb 1, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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While I tend to agree with that, how does that justify REQUIRING an employer to provide insurance for abortion or The Pill?
Abortion is not even part of the discussion. That keeps getting thrown in there for it's inflammatory factor.

Pregnancy is a medical condition. The Pill is an inexpensive way to prevent that condition.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#158604 Feb 1, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said :)
Those arguing for this side keep returning to the "ethical" stand of the employer, as if it's some kind of lofty abstract principle of freedom. The employer, in fact, has shown to take both sides of the issue as it suits them, thus negating their appeal to "ethical standards". It is a medical issue, no more, no less.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158605 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>It reeks of ignorance just as much today as it did six years ago, although I'd forgotten how superficial the 'unifying value system' crap was.
I love when I see those bumper stickers that say "OPEN" or "COEXIST" it always reminds me that the people who are such big proponents of open mindedness usually paste bumper stickers telling everyone else how they should think.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158606 Feb 1, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>See, you tuck the right buzzwords ("narcissism of multiculturalism") into a statement and you can sell ANYTHING to a willing buyer.
Ellison, a Muslim, announced that he'd take his oath of office on the book he holds as holy.
What's the issue?
Didn't you read the article?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158607 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
1) I make what too easy?
You are just as entitled to have an opinion of Clinton as I do of Prager. We are in agreement, we have the right to judge people's character.
2) While we're here. Despite your pessimistic, misanthropic view of the Golden State and its governance, a Public Policy Institute poll released yesterday shows that "optimism reigns." Californians are more optimistic about the future of the state than at any time since before the recession and are giving high marks to Gov. Brown's budgeting approach--higher taxes to balance the budget.
Even a slim majority of Republicans (yes, we do have a few here) gave a thumbs-up to Brown's budget proposals. And there's broad support for increased gun controls and for changes to immigration laws that would allow a path to citizenship.(And as you know, we have more undocumented aliens than any other state!) Oh, and a majority support Obamacare.
And the weather is wonderful, the beaches are gorgeous, the people are friendly.
We will do better here.
1) You make it easy for me to highlight your hypocritical nature. You jump all over a radio talk show host with some pretty hefty accusations and rail on the guy for a less than stellar personal life and the super daddy of your party has been the equivalent to a male slut. You yap about womens rights but don't seem to mind that old Bill has publically humiliated his wife for decades with his sexual escapades.
I have no opinion on Dennis Prager. I have heard him for a total of about 15 minutes and I googled him when his name popped up and you went "it's about charecter" on us. And don't jump to conclusions on my opinion of Clinton. I admire his accomplishments in the world of academia...Rhodes Scholar and all of that and I prefer his willingness to compromise and not rule as a monarch as our current bozo in chief is doing. My post was stictly to display how oblivious you are to the failings in your party who's influence has a far greater reach than some radio talk show host who I doubt anyone in Iran has ever heard of.
2) There are friendly people, beautiful beaches and great weather all over the world, Catcher so please you don't wave your pom poms in my direction. I'm familiar with California and in my opinion it isn't worth the ridiculous price you charge for admission........ but it's your money. Do what you want with it.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#158608 Feb 1, 2013
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
I love when I see those bumper stickers that say "OPEN" or "COEXIST" it always reminds me that the people who are such big proponents of open mindedness usually paste bumper stickers telling everyone else how they should think.
Well said. Last year when libs had a fit for the ceo of Chick-fil-a speaking his thoughts the nation saw who really is open and wants to coexist. I will say this: While I think its few there are people on the left that really do stand for tolerance. Worked out good for that co. though, they had the best sales they ever had when the flake in Chicago and Boston told them they were not welcome.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#158609 Feb 1, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
1) You make it easy for me to highlight your hypocritical nature. You jump all over a radio talk show host with some pretty hefty accusations and rail on the guy for a less than stellar personal life and the super daddy of your party has been the equivalent to a male slut. You yap about womens rights but don't seem to mind that old Bill has publically humiliated his wife for decades with his sexual escapades.
I have no opinion on Dennis Prager. I have heard him for a total of about 15 minutes and I googled him when his name popped up and you went "it's about charecter" on us. And don't jump to conclusions on my opinion of Clinton. I admire his accomplishments in the world of academia...Rhodes Scholar and all of that and I prefer his willingness to compromise and not rule as a monarch as our current bozo in chief is doing. My post was stictly to display how oblivious you are to the failings in your party who's influence has a far greater reach than some radio talk show host who I doubt anyone in Iran has ever heard of.
2) There are friendly people, beautiful beaches and great weather all over the world, Catcher so please you don't wave your pom poms in my direction. I'm familiar with California and in my opinion it isn't worth the ridiculous price you charge for admission........ but it's your money. Do what you want with it.
Home run Lyndi. California might as well be a third world nation in many parts. In fact I did cry after working in mostly southern Ca for a month as every account I went to had homeless people living behind them. I guess its all good now to listen to Catcher? They say as Ca. goes so goes the nation. Pray thats not true.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158610 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It has to do with his character.......
lol- There it is again.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#158611 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You probably thought Romney was going to win the election, too.
In other words just don't listen to anyone that dares to disagree. Hell the day may come when the gov. may even help you to shut down some voices. Right now we have a potus thats closer than anyone has ever been.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#158612 Feb 1, 2013

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#158613 Feb 1, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
1) You make it easy for me to highlight your hypocritical nature. You jump all over a radio talk show host with some pretty hefty accusations and rail on the guy for a less than stellar personal life and the super daddy of your party has been the equivalent to a male slut. You yap about womens rights but don't seem to mind that old Bill has publically humiliated his wife for decades with his sexual escapades.
I have no opinion on Dennis Prager. I have heard him for a total of about 15 minutes and I googled him when his name popped up and you went "it's about charecter" on us. And don't jump to conclusions on my opinion of Clinton. I admire his accomplishments in the world of academia...Rhodes Scholar and all of that and I prefer his willingness to compromise and not rule as a monarch as our current bozo in chief is doing. My post was stictly to display how oblivious you are to the failings in your party who's influence has a far greater reach than some radio talk show host who I doubt anyone in Iran has ever heard of.
2) There are friendly people, beautiful beaches and great weather all over the world, Catcher so please you don't wave your pom poms in my direction. I'm familiar with California and in my opinion it isn't worth the ridiculous price you charge for admission........ but it's your money. Do what you want with it.
I'm a hypocrite because I call Prager a scumbag without reference to Bill Clinton?

Really.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158614 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a hypocrite because I call Prager a scumbag without reference to Bill Clinton?
Really.
I think your passing out scumbag awards is pretty stupid considering your party harbors some of the most notorious and yet amusingly adored scumbags to date.

I'm suggesting you not throw stones unless you live in a bunker.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158615 Feb 1, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
1) You make it easy for me to highlight your hypocritical nature. You jump all over a radio talk show host with some pretty hefty accusations and rail on the guy for a less than stellar personal life and the super daddy of your party has been the equivalent to a male slut. You yap about womens rights but don't seem to mind that old Bill has publically humiliated his wife for decades with his sexual escapades.
I have no opinion on Dennis Prager. I have heard him for a total of about 15 minutes and I googled him when his name popped up and you went "it's about charecter" on us. And don't jump to conclusions on my opinion of Clinton. I admire his accomplishments in the world of academia...Rhodes Scholar and all of that and I prefer his willingness to compromise and not rule as a monarch as our current bozo in chief is doing. My post was stictly to display how oblivious you are to the failings in your party who's influence has a far greater reach than some radio talk show host who I doubt anyone in Iran has ever heard of.
2) There are friendly people, beautiful beaches and great weather all over the world, Catcher so please you don't wave your pom poms in my direction. I'm familiar with California and in my opinion it isn't worth the ridiculous price you charge for admission........ but it's your money. Do what you want with it.
Two thumbs up. I was wondering about his views on a man that we just honored. He talked about judging people by the content of their character, was a reverend and was an unfaithful husband. Do we write off all that he had to say?
California is well symbolized by Hollywood, a shiny exterior with a rotting interior. Unfortunately most only see all that glitters.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158616 Feb 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a hypocrite because I call Prager a scumbag without reference to Bill Clinton?
Really.
Blind

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