Bush is a hero

[Pernrider]

WildWeirdWillie wrote:

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...Basically what your post suggests is that you are concerned because many immigrants are Spanish speaking Catholics, no matter how much you try and dress it up.
Nothing new here ... my German speaking Catholic paternal ancestors ran into that in the mid-NINTEENTH century.

and this is why your reputation as a irritable old fart stands firm on topix. Don't get all butt hurt and pin this crap on something you wish I'd said.

Pernrider wrote:

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While Hispanics are a diverse group those who come from south of the border also happen to have been indoctrinated with a heavy amount of socialism brought in through previous European governments, their current governments, and the Catholic Jesuits.
... My worry is that if they are allowed to bypass the U.S. Citizenship requirements (government and English) they will not learn about the history of the government of their new land. They will be easy prey for the far Left due to previous indoctrination and their natural and understandable desire to speak their native language and be with their own community will compound that mindset...

My worry is that "IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BYPASS CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENTS" these things will come into play.

Sorry I said Jesuits and not Dominicans. I thought they were both Catholic. Not that I care if ANYONE is Catholic, speaks Spanish, or comes from a Marxist country. YOU MORON.

[Roberta G]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Good for you. I didn't expect this from you, and I respect you for it.

For what it's worth, I respect you for respecting Lis ;)

[Pernrider]

Roberta G wrote:

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No, Hip, it doesn't, but I wasn't really trying to make a point anyway. I just think it would be amusing to see Emanuel having to confront such a question, when his own city has such a notoriously high murder rate. Sticking pins into overinflated balloons has always appealed to my mischievous streak ;)

Can we pop Willie? ;)

While the Oklahoma City murder rate rose the overall state's violent crime rate went down.

http://newsok.com/drop-in-oklahomas-violent-c...

[Catcher1]

Roberta G wrote:

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For what it's worth, I respect you for respecting Lis ;)

:)

[lisw]

Pernrider wrote:

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and this is why your reputation as a irritable old fart stands firm on topix. Don't get all butt hurt and pin this crap on something you wish I'd said.
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My worry is that "IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BYPASS CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENTS" these things will come into play.
Sorry I said Jesuits and not Dominicans. I thought they were both Catholic. Not that I care if ANYONE is Catholic, speaks Spanish, or comes from a Marxist country. YOU MORON.

Pern I've got to warn you there has been alot of nitpicking going on here lately. Typos, misspellings, wrong choice of words. It was mighty quiet in here for awhile and people are just trying to get back in the groove. It is good to see you. You know I always think you have alot to say in a really unwordy way. You get down to the nitty-gritty.

[Pernrider]

Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:

<quoted text>I'm extraordinarily blessed to be married to the love of my life, and working at a job which pays a living wage. I have the great good luck to be among many friends and family, and we see each other regularly. Life is amazing!!
And the weather gets crazier every year...today, we had 63 degrees and balmy, tonight it's windy, wet, and cold. I figure any day where the weather here doesn't kill somebody, is a good day.
:)

Well that sounds about perfect. Glad your wage is alive and not dead. It's always a bummer when they're dead.
I know what you mean about the weather. Yesterday it was 54 and this morning it was snow and ice. Another go round tonight. It's been snowing for a while now.
I was just thinking on Friday evening that it felt like spring already and this snow feels more like a spring snow. Heavy and wet.
Tomorrow will be colder than today so I am bracing myself for that inevitability. You're right, as long as the weather doesn't kill somebody it's a good day.

[bad bob]

Catcher1 wrote:

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That's an unfounded accusation.
You don't know me.

You told me I couldn't answer your question about the bi-partisan Senate hearings on Immigration Reform. You don't know me either.

[Pernrider]

lisw wrote:

<quoted text>Pern I've got to warn you there has been alot of nitpicking going on here lately. Typos, misspellings, wrong choice of words. It was mighty quiet in here for awhile and people are just trying to get back in the groove. It is good to see you. You know I always think you have alot to say in a really unwordy way. You get down to the nitty-gritty.

I can't say that what you are warning about surprises me. You guys have been on this thread for years and years battling away and getting nowhere. It is rather dysfunctional. But, at least occasionally, the fun part of dysfunction makes its appearance.
I used to be in a group of ladies who went on and on with their flowery phrases. It made me glaze over. I try not to get to wordy but sometimes I can't help myself! Thanks for the shout out. I am impressed with your tenacity. It is amazing that so many are still here.

[Pernrider]

Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:

<quoted text>In your opinion.
...do you refer to yourself as 'undead'?)...

I prefer predead.

[Pernrider]

Catcher1 wrote:

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BTW, it's "si se puede", not puedo.

cracker version of no you can't.

[Pernrider]

Roberta G wrote:

Pern, darling, it's so GOOOOD to see you again!

Love the hair! Blue looks great on you.:P So nice to see you still battling and loving on folks at the same time. You have such a gift.

[lisw]

Pernrider wrote:

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I can't say that what you are warning about surprises me. You guys have been on this thread for years and years battling away and getting nowhere. It is rather dysfunctional. But, at least occasionally, the fun part of dysfunction makes its appearance.
I used to be in a group of ladies who went on and on with their flowery phrases. It made me glaze over. I try not to get to wordy but sometimes I can't help myself! Thanks for the shout out. I am impressed with your tenacity. It is amazing that so many are still here.

Dysfunctional is the right word. I've always said I come here to talk politics because I just don't want that to get in the way of friends and family. Funny thing is that the people here feel like family and friends sometimes. I won't tell you what part of the family each one plays.

[HipGnosis]

Pernrider wrote:

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I think it is sad when an employer with a real conviction regarding the loss of human life that happens with abortions and the morning after pill is belittled and bemoaned by anyone. It is nice to see someone take a stand even though it causes them to be regarded with derision. I think it is sad when we no longer respect heartfelt conviction. It is mocked and laughed at instead of valued as integrity. Once we were a nation that valued integrity. Now all we do is argue who has a right to make a moral stand based on whether a company has gone public or takes tax deductions that may make it beholden to the federal government. So from now on, entrepreneurs and business owners with convictions, who want to use incorporation as a way to protect their personal property from risk of loss in a business failure, will have to decide whether they want to take the incorporation plunge and lose their right to freedom of speech/religion? There is something wrong with that.

Well, you've expanded it with some red-flag words that aren't involved in the original question. You might have missed the earliest part of this dialogue. It's about contraception, not abortion. As I said then, way back when this issue first arose, I was torn. Half of me was inclined as you say, the other half thinking Hey it's just birth-control pills. I largely stayed out of any debates on the issue, because of the murkiness of the question.

Is tyranny only a concern if it's a gov't entity? Consider - the vast majority of women, something like 97%, avail themselves of contraception at some time in their lives. This holds among Catholics as well - contraception is near universal. It is wise and good, it saves much misery. If a person or couple aren't ready for a child, by all means I applaud them to not have a child, and want to see them afforded any means to do so, esp. a product this cheap and easy. There's too many undisciplined little "flowers of love" out there as it is, and that among the people that >want< the kid. After I've been in captivity at a social function and been accosted by some precocious little sh*t for two hours, and the parent smiling so lovingly ("Isn't he precious? We believe in letting their spirit express itself."), there is a dark corner of my mind that gleefully envisions contraception mandated and enforced by persons with dark helmets and jackboots, and the repeal of child labor law.

I digress (surprise!). Isn't it just as much a tyranny when a monolithic organization insinuates itself beyond the walls of it's original function, morphs into a quasi-secular entity, but then imposes it's faith-based "principle" upon a population at large, believer or not, who almost universally violate that principle, and engendering further a universal hypocrisy among believers. That to me is creeping tyranny disguised as a protected right.......

Like I say, I stayed out until I saw the hypocrisy of denying that a fetus is a person with legal rights IF it involves a pecuniary motive. It happened recently in CO, and on further research, we see that there is precedent; they've used it before. Different hospital, same basic situation.

So, it's not a 1st amendment issue. It's not a business issue, because the added cost is infinitesimally small. It's an example of an entity dancing both sides of a question as it suits them, with society forced to accept the result BOTH ways. As I say, readily available contraception serves the couple and society at large, no different than public safety and welfare standards employed in myriad other ways, which we accept as reasonable and prudent.

[Sister Kathryn Lust]

Pernrider wrote:

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I prefer predead.

I prefer 'alive'.

:)

[HipGnosis]

Pernrider wrote:

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Then please let us allow those of you who don't have conviction about this to pay for their need and allow those who don't to opt out. What right does society have to force everyone to pay for what is seen by some as murder?
Talk about forcing your moral values on others.

Again, you're expanding beyond the original question. Contraception as proscribed by the PRAC Act is just birth control pills, not abortion. I'm going to assume you're not aware of the original question, and not just muddying the issue with red-flag trigger issues.

Common birth-control prevents contraception, thus "murder" is not part of the discussion. Please....

[HipGnosis]

lisw wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, which akes my point that noone can define what the Catholic church is all about. It is extraordinarily diverse. The only thing the same is I can go to chruch anywhere in the world and follow along.

I think you should differentiate, because in discussion I feel you've used two senses interchangeably. The church is the people, which is certainly diverse. The Church is another thing, it's doctrines and practices are not diverse, which is exactly why you can go anywhere in the world and follow along.

[Lyndi]

Catcher1 wrote:

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That's why, in the U.S., it's nice to be wealthy.
Let's work to change things, that's all I'm saying.

It's nice to be wealthy if you're Warren Buffet, Al Gore-Jezeera or Bill Gates but if you're name is Mitt Romney and you're getting a little too close to the Oval Office, "you're a tax evader and we shall destroy you......." Well done! The Obama crushing machine did a hell of a job.
Moving on..........
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The magic of the liberals is to impose more laws and restrictions and make it look as though they care more for people than the republicans.

Tell us how much salt we should consume, tell us what size drinks we should drink, control what we buying, control the schools and the lunches they provide. Control purchases --> aka "gun control" all the while pretending it will have an effect on crime. It isn't about crime, it's about control. The horrible actions of a few were the springboard for the dems to punish and take away guns from the majority who are the law abiding responsible citizens. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's all about power, Catcher. If they can control what people own and consume & take as much as you can from them in the form of taxes, you control the masses.
It's all about power and you are one of those weepy liberals who think democrats are the giving, caring party. Think it through. Study their actions and check the outcomes. Your party wants as much control over the people and their behavior as they can possibly get.

I can imagine the shock on the face of a 60 year old cigarette smoker when the Obama healthcare plan he looks forward to, imposes a $5000.00 PER YEAR surcharge because the daddy government doesn't like that he smokes. Wait until they get involved in what people weigh. And head injuries in an American pastime.... we can't have that. Let's get them to run the NFL too.

The daddy government disapproves and doesn't think people have the sense to know how to behave and since "you don't know how to behave we're going to corral all of you and MAKE you behave."

The immigration issue runs along the same lines. Be the party who gives them amnesty and you'll own their vote and you'll own the underclass and you'll hold the office which will keep you in POWER.
And it all in the house that the libs built.......

Rise and shine, Catcher!

[WildWeirdWillie]

Pernrider wrote:

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Bull crap. Way to pull it out of your butt Willie. You just needed something to rile you up. Take it and run with it. It's what you dems do.

I was over the top in my previous post, and I apologize.

[HipGnosis]

Lyndi wrote:

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Al Gore-Jezeera

Not that it'll make any difference, but just so's we know, the English Al Jazeera is a separate entity from the Arabic Al Jazeera cited by Muslim-baiters. This would be the Al Jazeera, for instance, to whom Rumsfeld gave an extensive interview in the run-up to the Iraqi adventure.

I'm sure you're also not interested in Murdoch's NewsCorps' financial stake in Rotana, a virulently anti-Semitic, anti-West media conglomerate owned by one of those ubiquitous Saudi princes. We can show a clip of them saying that Jews make their matzos with human blood, for one instance. They also produced a movie that portrayed American soldiers massacring Iraqi civilians and selling their organs to Jews.

But please try not to think of that when Fox entertainers are having fun with Al Gore Jazeera......

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/w...

[WildWeirdWillie]

Lyndi wrote:

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It's nice to be wealthy if you're Warren Buffet, Al Gore-Jezeera or Bill Gates but if you're name is Mitt Romney and you're getting a little too close to the Oval Office, "you're a tax evader and we shall destroy you......." Well done! The Obama crushing machine did a hell of a job.
Moving on..........
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The magic of the liberals is to impose more laws and restrictions and make it look as though they care more for people than the republicans.
Tell us how much salt we should consume, tell us what size drinks we should drink, control what we buying, control the schools and the lunches they provide. Control purchases --> aka "gun control" all the while pretending it will have an effect on crime. It isn't about crime, it's about control. The horrible actions of a few were the springboard for the dems to punish and take away guns from the majority who are the law abiding responsible citizens. It's all smoke and mirrors. It's all about power, Catcher. If they can control what people own and consume & take as much as you can from them in the form of taxes, you control the masses.
It's all about power and you are one of those weepy liberals who think democrats are the giving, caring party. Think it through. Study their actions and check the outcomes. Your party wants as much control over the people and their behavior as they can possibly get.
I can imagine the shock on the face of a 60 year old cigarette smoker when the Obama healthcare plan he looks forward to, imposes a $5000.00 PER YEAR surcharge because the daddy government doesn't like that he smokes. Wait until they get involved in what people weigh. And head injuries in an American pastime.... we can't have that. Let's get them to run the NFL too.
The daddy government disapproves and doesn't think people have the sense to know how to behave and since "you don't know how to behave we're going to corral all of you and MAKE you behave."
The immigration issue runs along the same lines. Be the party who gives them amnesty and you'll own their vote and you'll own the underclass and you'll hold the office which will keep you in POWER.
And it all in the house that the libs built.......
Rise and shine, Catcher!

Is the extra charges this 60 year old (well, will be in 2 1/2 months) smoker pays for insurance because the government doesn't like that I'll smoke, or is it because smoking is a voluntary choice over which I have control that increases my health risks?

I mean, I appreciate your willingness to pay extra to cover the costs of my choices, although I wonder where the hell you've been for the past 25 years or so when I've paid higher premiums via private insurance.