Bush is a hero
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158295 Jan 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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The Senate bipartisan proposal goes a bit further......
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM,: "Well, there will be no immigration reform unless it's bipartisan. But if you want to talk about the president bringing us together and being a bold leader, in 2007, when we tried to do immigration reform, he folded like a cheap suit when the labor -- AFL-CIO got mad at the bill to allow temporary workers. Obama, the then Senator Obama, put a sunset on the temporary worker provision, which destroyed the bill for business.

So I don't need a lecture from Barack Obama about bipartisanship. He was never very good at it in the Senate. And if you're going to get a bill, you need the president involved.

So Mr. President, when you speak tomorrow to the nation about immigration reform, hope you don't suggest that you're going to take a pathway to citizenship and delink it from border security because if you don't secure the border, we know what happens. You're going to have 12 million illegal immigrants 20 years from now."
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#158296 Jan 29, 2013
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Penalize?
I'm not looking to penalize anyone, lisw (and certainly not looking to criminalize mental illness).
At the very least I'm looking for ways to PREVENT future instances (knowing that we can't prevent all of them, and the hardest ones to prevent may be the most sensational). I'm also looking for a way to help the afflicted individuals and their families BEFORE they commit these kinds of acts - be it the murder of an individual or family, or a Tucson/Aurora/Sandy Hook.
I think we have come to rely too much on medication; I think we've made commitment too difficult; I think we've made it harder to get guardianship assigned as a way to keep the necessary people informed and still comply with HIPAA; and frankly, we 'street' some people far too quickly.
But a national registry will criminalize them. I've said it before but it bears repeating: Those seeking help will be on the registry, even those with transitory illness, such as post-partum depression and adjustment disorders and also drug and alcohol abusers will be on the list if they seek help. These will be driven underground because that list will not only be used by gun salesmen but by prospective employers and even neighbors. Imagine the gov't going to the local AA meeting to get some more people for their list. That may sound silly, but alot of German people poo-pood the idea that there was any real harm meant to the jews.
HIPAA is a joke with Obama care btw.
lisw

Lewis Center, OH

#158297 Jan 29, 2013
Just an addition. We will all adjust to whatever Obama puts in place and go along and lead our lives. That's what the Germans did. lI'm sure alot of them said "I'm glad I'm not a jew" Now alot of people will say "I'm glad I'm not mentally ill or a drug addict."

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#158298 Jan 29, 2013
bad bob wrote:
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NO DIFFERENT?? They violated our law, Chaser! Every one of them.
It's bleeding heart Libs like you that have nearly bankrupt CA and sent the US into ginormous debt.
Yes, they did, in search of a better life for themselves and their family, they entered illegally. We might all have done the same, in their circumstances. If they have committed no crime, and have been decent people, it's time to include them in our society. Many of these people were small kids when they came with their parents, and this is the only country they have ever known. We need to empathize, and show compassion. That's all I'm saying.

I don't think the undocumented aliens are responsible for our financial problems. They have contributed at least as much as they have taken.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#158299 Jan 29, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think the Dems are following the golden rule or just buying votes? Not that it really matters..........
It's the Republicans who realize they will lose votes if they don't rethink their policies!

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#158300 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Rubio's plan doesn't exclude citizenship. The details are still being worked but as of now he feels citizenship should absolutely be available but they need to get at the back of the line to obtain it.
Good for him then, he's waking up more than I thought.

BTW, you do know that, despite attempts to portray Rubio as the son of parents who fled Castro, they left in 1956 when Batista was in power. Just a little trivia.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#158301 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
<quoted text>
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM,: "Well, there will be no immigration reform unless it's bipartisan. But if you want to talk about the president bringing us together and being a bold leader, in 2007, when we tried to do immigration reform, he folded like a cheap suit when the labor -- AFL-CIO got mad at the bill to allow temporary workers. Obama, the then Senator Obama, put a sunset on the temporary worker provision, which destroyed the bill for business.
So I don't need a lecture from Barack Obama about bipartisanship. He was never very good at it in the Senate. And if you're going to get a bill, you need the president involved.
So Mr. President, when you speak tomorrow to the nation about immigration reform, hope you don't suggest that you're going to take a pathway to citizenship and delink it from border security because if you don't secure the border, we know what happens. You're going to have 12 million illegal immigrants 20 years from now."
This sort of posturing isn't going to work with the American people. The Hispanic population knows who's been friendly to their people's plight, and who hasn't. Which is why Romney got 21 percent of the Hispanic vote.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#158302 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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Speak for yourself. Any time I enter a foreign country I have the manners to knock first and enter lawfully. That makes us very different.
BUT?
That point is moot. They're here and we are on the cusp of legitimizing them. So I'll just wait to see what the money crunchers project on the cost of whatever little "congratulations, you're now an American" program we opt for. I realize cost has little place in the bleeding hearts of liberals but for those of us who keep tabs on spending, I thought I'd mention it.
Wish youse'd started savin'em tabs back in 2000 or so....

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#158303 Jan 29, 2013
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>But a national registry will criminalize them. I've said it before but it bears repeating: Those seeking help will be on the registry, even those with transitory illness, such as post-partum depression and adjustment disorders and also drug and alcohol abusers will be on the list if they seek help. These will be driven underground because that list will not only be used by gun salesmen but by prospective employers and even neighbors. Imagine the gov't going to the local AA meeting to get some more people for their list. That may sound silly, but alot of German people poo-pood the idea that there was any real harm meant to the jews.
HIPAA is a joke with Obama care btw.
What's your alternative?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158304 Jan 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Good for him then, he's waking up more than I thought.
Um, no. You were less informed than you should have been.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#158305 Jan 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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This sort of posturing isn't going to work with the American people. The Hispanic population knows who's been friendly to their people's plight, and who hasn't. Which is why Romney got 21 percent of the Hispanic vote.
I know. Republicans mistreat dogs, their presidential candidates murder the wives of their former employees & commit felonious tax evasion, push grannies over cliffs and every one of them wants to deport all illegals which makes as much sense as retuning slaves to Africa after the emnacipation.
If I were gullible I'd vote for democrats too.
====
Btw catcher, paving a path to citizenship for illegals was not the primary reason Obama got the majority of their vote.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#158306 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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I know. Republicans mistreat dogs, their presidential candidates murder the wives of their former employees & commit felonious tax evasion, push grannies over cliffs and every one of them wants to deport all illegals which makes as much sense as retuning slaves to Africa after the emnacipation.

If I were gullible I'd vote for democrats too.
This kind of superior dismissive attitude is a major part of the Republican problem. You think they're stupid?

Rhetorical question. They're blind and insensible to offense too.

The thing is (as you know if you personally know a diverse group of Hispanics) is that a significant portion of them tend to be conservative, and would be a natural fit as moderate Republicans. The Democrats are surely thankful that the current Republican mindset is too insular and reactionary to figure that out.
Disney

United States

#158307 Jan 29, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>This kind of superior dismissive attitude is a major part of the Republican problem. You think they're stupid?
Rhetorical question. They're blind and insensible to offense too.
The thing is (as you know if you personally know a diverse group of Hispanics) is that a significant portion of them tend to be conservative, and would be a natural fit as moderate Republicans. The Democrats are surely thankful that the current Republican mindset is too insular and reactionary to figure that out.
Lol. Thanks, I needed a laugh. Umm, do you even pretend to listen to the way you or king o treats people? The last time o didn't dismiss anyone that doesn't kiss his rear he was pres elect with that fake seal. Again I thank you for making me laugh out loud here.
Disney

United States

#158308 Jan 29, 2013
So everything old is new again. Darn that foxnews. Lol

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#158309 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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I know. Republicans mistreat dogs, their presidential candidates murder the wives of their former employees & commit felonious tax evasion, push grannies over cliffs and every one of them wants to deport all illegals which makes as much sense as retuning slaves to Africa after the emnacipation.
If I were gullible I'd vote for democrats too.
====
Btw catcher, paving a path to citizenship for illegals was not the primary reason Obama got the majority of their vote.
I don't know about those fine details, but the perception that Republicans tend to favor the rich at the expense of the weaker and more vulnerable population is not off the mark. You know, the 47 percent and so on.

You know, I have dealings with rich people. When it comes to their personal financial interests, they know the Republican agenda favors them. That's just a fact, especially for those poor "small business owners," who write off 50 percent of their expenses, no matter what they are. I have seen very expensive bottles of French wine used as toasts, courtesy of you and me.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158310 Jan 29, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>This kind of superior dismissive attitude is a major part of the Republican problem. You think they're stupid?
Rhetorical question. They're blind and insensible to offense too.
The thing is (as you know if you personally know a diverse group of Hispanics) is that a significant portion of them tend to be conservative, and would be a natural fit as moderate Republicans. The Democrats are surely thankful that the current Republican mindset is too insular and reactionary to figure that out.
Hiya Hipster,
While Hispanics are a diverse group those who come from south of the border also happen to have been indoctrinated with a heavy amount of socialism brought in through previous European governments, their current governments, and the Catholic Jesuits. Yes, they are good people and some of the hardest workers I have ever met but there is a fundamental difference between the governments they have come from and ours. My worry is that if they are allowed to bypass the U.S. Citizenship requirements (government and English) they will not learn about the history of the government of their new land. They will be easy prey for the far Left due to previous indoctrination and their natural and understandable desire to speak their native language and be with their own community will compound that mindset.
Nice to see you still out here firing a way even though I still disagree with most of what you say!
~M aka Pernie.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158314 Jan 29, 2013
Lyndi wrote:
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I know. Republicans mistreat dogs, their presidential candidates murder the wives of their former employees & commit felonious tax evasion, push grannies over cliffs and every one of them wants to deport all illegals which makes as much sense as retuning slaves to Africa after the emnacipation.
If I were gullible I'd vote for democrats too.
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Btw catcher, paving a path to citizenship for illegals was not the primary reason Obama got the majority of their vote.
Right. And Democrats are gullible, they live on lust and have no respect for women, their Presidential candidates are Marxist liars with a criminal bent and harbor plans to junk the Constitution, they like to push rich people over cliffs, and every one of them wants the right to kill babies.
(Which makes as much sense as thusly categorizing Republicans.)

By the way, what was the primary reason Obama got the majority of the Illegal vote?

Just checking.

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#158315 Jan 29, 2013
Sandy wrote:
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SIX YEARS LATER
Do we have him?
Yepper he was the revelator
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rider

Gwinn, MI

#158316 Jan 29, 2013

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#158318 Jan 29, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
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By the way, what was the primary reason Obama got the majority of the Illegal vote?
Just checking.
Trick question?

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