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TOBY wrote:
Antonyto---If you want to get down to the facts on the decision that Bush made Read The Bible.He went totally by scripture and did his best to solve this without a war.Nobody wants to see the death and destruction of a war,but if we pull out before the job is done then we will be considered cowards and ANYONE can do what they want with our country.
Wow. It is, as somebody pointed out, mostly a waste of time to try and argue you Bush acolytes away from your misguided views and into the realm of the real, but when you bring the Bible into it... somebody has to step in and defend the good book.

You would do well to read -- and perhaps re-read -- your own advice. The Bible says nothing, zero, about doing what Bush did. There are no passages that wonder, for instance, what kind of bunker buster Jesus would use.

Jesus did not say, as push did, give me your tired and your poor so I can tell them to go get a job. Jesus did not need to ask his lawyers how to legalize water-boarding or prisoner rendition. Jesus built no Biblical equivalent to Guantanomo.

Jesus felt the suffering of his people, unlike Bush who says he "slept like a baby" as bombs burst over Baghdad and who saw it fit to make jokes about the WMDs that were never found, even as our own soldiers were dropping dead in the sand.

Jesus turned the other cheek. Bush ordered the destruction of cheeks and other body parts of an estimated 100,000 or more Iraqis and thousands of military serving Americans.

Jesus did not use his followers to enrich himself as Bush and Cheney did, with oil investments that soared on the disruptive force of the Iraqi conflict.

Jesus turned water into wine. Bush turned it into sludge, with the suspension of environmental programs that did anything BUT honor the Father's house.

Need we go on?

One need not be a Christian to realize Bush was evil. But when someone purporting that they ARE Christian fails to see it, that's a real honest-to-God tragedy, with the full meaning of that phrase absolutely intended.
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<quoted text>Obama had the power to refuse to sign the NDAA.
He signed it, instead.
One of his 2008 campaign promises, was to at least make an effort to get rid of the Patriot Act. He did not.
He bolstered it, instead.
These are not the acts of a gutless wonder - they are the acts of a determinedly Unconstitutional subversive, who just happens to be the President of the United States of America.
Doesn't make Bush right - but Obama's no better, and arguably worse.
Worse, I don't know about. And is Obama an improvement over Bush? I'd still say he is. However, there's no denying that the NDAA... the Patriot Act... the drone wars... these things are black marks against his record, without a doubt. I support Obama generally, but not on these points. They're wrong decisions and you're right to call them out.

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jake12 wrote:
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Wow. It is, as somebody pointed out, mostly a waste of time to try and argue you Bush acolytes away from your misguided views and into the realm of the real, but when you bring the Bible into it... somebody has to step in and defend the good book.
You would do well to read -- and perhaps re-read -- your own advice. The Bible says nothing, zero, about doing what Bush did. There are no passages that wonder, for instance, what kind of bunker buster Jesus would use.
Jesus did not say, as push did, give me your tired and your poor so I can tell them to go get a job. Jesus did not need to ask his lawyers how to legalize water-boarding or prisoner rendition. Jesus built no Biblical equivalent to Guantanomo.
Jesus felt the suffering of his people, unlike Bush who says he "slept like a baby" as bombs burst over Baghdad and who saw it fit to make jokes about the WMDs that were never found, even as our own soldiers were dropping dead in the sand.
Jesus turned the other cheek. Bush ordered the destruction of cheeks and other body parts of an estimated 100,000 or more Iraqis and thousands of military serving Americans.
Jesus did not use his followers to enrich himself as Bush and Cheney did, with oil investments that soared on the disruptive force of the Iraqi conflict.
Jesus turned water into wine. Bush turned it into sludge, with the suspension of environmental programs that did anything BUT honor the Father's house.
Need we go on?
One need not be a Christian to realize Bush was evil. But when someone purporting that they ARE Christian fails to see it, that's a real honest-to-God tragedy, with the full meaning of that phrase absolutely intended.
Beautifully said.

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Worse, I don't know about. And is Obama an improvement over Bush? I'd still say he is. However, there's no denying that the NDAA... the Patriot Act... the drone wars... these things are black marks against his record, without a doubt. I support Obama generally, but not on these points. They're wrong decisions and you're right to call them out.
I would argue that GWB was a creature of big business, but that BHO does not require handlers. He's wreaking his havoc of his own accord.

In my book, that makes him worse.

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meant to say "that's okay" and I still hope you go away. You're boring.
Being a poor sport after you lose, that's the immature stuff you're made of.
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You do know that 'force majeure' has been rendered moot, don't you?
It has been determined that breaking the law, for whatever the reason, is still against the law.
I wonder how long it took them to figure that one out.
Well, the only act of 'force majeure' excuse that could apply to Saddam having WMD's in Irak would have been if a hurricane had blown them in from the U.S. or from Israel, but as Saddam had no WMD's then he was completely innocent of the charge, hurricanes not-withstanding.

Considering the UN forbade the U.S. from invading, that makes Bush and his whole government guilty of breaking international law because (as you so correctly pointed out) "breaking the law, for whatever the reason, is still against the law." That fact would have made the U.S. guilty even IF Saddam DID have WMD's.
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Wow. It is, as somebody pointed out, mostly a waste of time to try and argue you Bush acolytes away from your misguided views and into the realm of the real, but when you bring the Bible into it... somebody has to step in and defend the good book.
.......... and ..........
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<quoted text> need not be a Christian to realize Bush was evil. But when someone purporting that they ARE Christian fails to see it, that's a real honest-to-God tragedy, with the full meaning of that phrase absolutely intended.
Two interesting and inter-related points! Where to begin? Right ... Bush does claim to be a Christian. A "good Christian" according to him. But we know better, don't we.

And what about Islam? Osama bin Laden is purported to have been a "good Moslem". He thought of himself to be a good Moslem, didn't he? And oh yes(!) the Americans love believing it too! Communists! Leftists! Liberals! Socialists! Moslems! Always the easy-way, selective ignorant choice to fake knowledge. Go ahead, ask a prominent Moslem about murder - about terrorism. He'll tell you that Islam does not teach such things. Funny isn't it that what we believe the same about Christianity.

So who's right? Bush and bin Laden or "the Holy Men"? My bet's on the latter.

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Tolerance on display. Not. Carry on.
"...Many evangelicals will be shocked to learn there are Palestinian Christians living under Israeli occupation. But that shouldn’t be the reason to care. Regardless of the religion or ethnicity of the people caught up in this conflict, there are two peoples with two stories, and if you want to figure out how to be a peacemaker, to take what Jesus said seriously, then it behooves you to be able to listen to the other and ask,“What do I really need to do to be a reconciler in this very broken place?”

Christians would be wise to ponder that important question."
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What a jackass. I proved Bush lied and you bring up a red herring.
What a moron!!!
The government can't be trusted and you are still play good guys and bad guys. What an indoctrinated dufus.
You brought up ancient history and insignificant tripe... I gave you a current, and very significant, example of a pResident intentionally misleading the public, and you immediately jam your head up your hiney and cry foul.

Have a nice day in your "truther facts" world.

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Care to talk about FEMA? How about FEMA camps, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? Our freedom disappeared under the War Criminal Bush and the gutless teabag Republicans have no courage to set things right again. What a bunch of gutless wonders.
It's hard to beat a Santa Claus with no fiscal responsibility.

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I think that we can all agree with that.
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It's seems as though it's you who believes in fairy tales. Your credibility is rock bottom ... and I've only just met you. I can hardly wait to see what you'll say next and I'm sure it'll be a real beauty.
Wow, the forum is getting infested with "truthers". The asylums must have let their patients out for the holidays?

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What a jackass. I proved Bush lied and you bring up a red herring.
You proved nothing, "truther"... you simply made an unsubstantiated and unproven claim. Besides, it' much ado about nothing, but I'm sure to the "truther" crowd, it's very important.

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Worse, I don't know about. And is Obama an improvement over Bush? I'd still say he is. However, there's no denying that the NDAA... the Patriot Act... the drone wars... these things are black marks against his record, without a doubt. I support Obama generally, but not on these points. They're wrong decisions and you're right to call them out.
obama... Nobel PEACE Prize winner!

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Well, the only act of 'force majeure' excuse that could apply to Saddam having WMD's in Irak would have been if a hurricane had blown them in from the U.S. or from Israel, but as Saddam had no WMD's then he was completely innocent of the charge, hurricanes not-withstanding.
WMD's, which President Clinton, most world leaders, and a huge majority of Congress believed Saddam had.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes....

President Bush43 made sure that if there were any, Saddam wouldn't be using them.
Force Majeure wrote:
Considering the UN forbade the U.S. from invading, that makes Bush and his whole government guilty of breaking international law because (as you so correctly pointed out) "breaking the law, for whatever the reason, is still against the law." That fact would have made the U.S. guilty even IF Saddam DID have WMD's.
What does unanimous mean to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_S...

Besides, we don't look to the UN to provide for our defense against our enemies. We have our Constitution, our Congress, and our President to provide for our security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

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<quoted text>Obama had the power to refuse to sign the NDAA.
He signed it, instead.
One of his 2008 campaign promises, was to at least make an effort to get rid of the Patriot Act. He did not.
He bolstered it, instead.
These are not the acts of a gutless wonder - they are the acts of a determinedly Unconstitutional subversive, who just happens to be the President of the United States of America.
Doesn't make Bush right - but Obama's no better, and arguably worse.
What a spineless whip huh? Our government cannot protect us. We will never be safe if we sacrifice freedom for safety. We now live in a police state.

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WMD's, which President Clinton, most world leaders, and a huge majority of Congress believed Saddam had.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes....
President Bush43 made sure that if there were any, Saddam wouldn't be using them.
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What does unanimous mean to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_S...
Besides, we don't look to the UN to provide for our defense against our enemies. We have our Constitution, our Congress, and our President to provide for our security.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
Bush was just a pathetic liar and mouthpiece for the New World Order, whoever they are.

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Bush was less than B-movie material.

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Your credibility is really taking a big hit. Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?
I believe what I can plainly see.

1. Silverstein, the owner of WTC7 said plainly that the building was pulled meaning demoed.

2. Shortly before demolition, an official came and told people to clear out because the building was full of explosives.

3. Cars, buses and trucks in that area were incinerated by a pyroclastic flow.

4. The 46 story building can be seen deflecting downward in the middle first and falling into a very neat pile of rubble within the footprint.

5. BBC released a story an hour before demolition of WTC7 that it had fallen. They later called it a "cock up."

Believe what nonsense you wish. The facts say the FEMA report is false.

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It's all in the previous link Jackass.

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BobinTX wrote:
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WMD's, which President Clinton, most world leaders, and a huge majority of Congress believed Saddam had.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes....
President Bush43 made sure that if there were any, Saddam wouldn't be using them.
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What does unanimous mean to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_S...
Besides, we don't look to the UN to provide for our defense against our enemies. We have our Constitution, our Congress, and our President to provide for our security.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
There never were any WMDs Jackass.

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