Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#155176 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Its called moral relativism the left owns it and wish nothing to do with it or where it takes a person. Its a real freak show out here~
The last time I checked it was called drug addiction. There are many reasons why people become addicted to drugs. Moral relativism isn't one of those reasons.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155177 Nov 20, 2012
Disney wrote:
<quoted text>o would fail.
obama has been failing for four years... but I think he probably gave up the drugs.



But then, one can't be too sure.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155178 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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The last time I checked it was called drug addiction. There are many reasons why people become addicted to drugs. Moral relativism isn't one of those reasons.
Wrong. Many people want to be stoned so that become numb and don't have to deal with the truth.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#155179 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Uh no. I was about 8 when Nancy Reagan had "Just say no to drugs" I lived in Washington at the time. Didn't know a thing about right or left but remember quite well vocal people mocking it and her over it. I thank God for her as I took that pledge when I was a kid. Sidenote Bill Cosby is also very vocal or was about being drug free but strange I've never heard him mocked over it. Oh well.
Fine, you don't take drugs. I commend you. I recall having a conversation with a police detective about a murder victim I knew well.

Detective Jones asked, "Did she start off smoking pot?"

I asked Jones, "Do you ever drink?"

Detective Jones replied, "We all have a drink or two after work."

I replied, "That's how Jennifer (the victim) started too."

The fact is people get injured or suffer mental illness. Some are simply medicating themselves. There are many reasons why people drink, smoke, or do drugs. "Just say no" is an over simplification.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155180 Nov 20, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Her fault. Not kidding.
True.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155181 Nov 20, 2012
BobinTX wrote:
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obama has been failing for four years... but I think he probably gave up the drugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2wS8B1Qp5kQXX
But then, one can't be too sure.
Now thats funny. Thanks for a laugh.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#155182 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Wrong. Many people want to be stoned so that become numb and don't have to deal with the truth.
That may be what you right wingers need at this point.

Escape from the painful reality.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155183 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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YEs, test them and if they fail send them jail, pay an attorney to represent them and then send them off to jail for a longer time. That is much cheaper than letting them stay home and watch the kids.
Huh? Is that the drugs talking. Who said anything about jail?

They don't receive benefits until they get clean... the only benefit we should pay for.
okb2 wrote:
Then you can put the kids in a foster home and pay them to keep the kids.[/UOTE]

Is there a little voice in your head telling you these things, because it sure wasn't me?

[QUOTE who="okb2"]Kids from a single parent home have a much greater chance of dropping out of school and going on welfare or jail themselves. Locking Mom up makes jail routine and a normal part of life. It also greatly increases their already poor chances of being self-sufficient.
True. So why would we want to reward them to have more children?
okb2 wrote:
Since Mom can no longer get support her kids go in the system.
Mom could always conider getting a job. now, that's radical thinking, but it's a thought.
okb2 wrote:
Generations later someone wants to drug test again.
Yes, they do cost us money in many ways.
but Florida found that despite Republican rhetoric, there just were not that many on drugs.
Then there's no problem... in Florida.
okb2 wrote:
The added burden on the state just was not worth cost. I suggest you talk to Texas about it. Tell them you are willing to foot the bill.
I'm so happy for Florida.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#155184 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fine, you don't take drugs. I commend you. I recall having a conversation with a police detective about a murder victim I knew well.
Detective Jones asked, "Did she start off smoking pot?"
I asked Jones, "Do you ever drink?"
Detective Jones replied, "We all have a drink or two after work."
I replied, "That's how Jennifer (the victim) started too."
The fact is people get injured or suffer mental illness. Some are simply medicating themselves. There are many reasons why people drink, smoke, or do drugs. "Just say no" is an over simplification.
Being a clinician I have seen and come to know intimately dual diagnosis people. I think they'd all to the last one say "just say no" is not an oversimplification. It really IS as simple as that. It's after people start using that it becomes very, very complicated.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#155185 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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That may be what you right wingers need at this point.
Escape from the painful reality.
Not at all. As a matter of fact, I feel I have more reason than ever to remain sharp and at the top of my game and work to be the healthiest I've ever been. I'm at an age where I'm pretty sure that the older one is the less healthcare will be available to them. my husband is not as healthy (not through his own fault) and I will need to be sharp to oppose Obama healthcare options at every turn to be sure my husband gets what he needs. I'm rather excited about it. I like a good battle.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155186 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>I am not against drug screening provided it saves money. I think if you are for drug screening you should be willing to foot the bill. However, I am willing to let you keep all the money you save doing it in return for footing the bill.
I suggest you talk to your Texas legistlature about it.
Investigating murders costs money too, and there's absolutely no chance of bringing back the dead... should we stop spending those $$$? Sometimes we spend money because it's the right thing to do.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155187 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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That may be what you right wingers need at this point.
Escape from the painful reality.
No thanks. I am here with eyes wide open. I've done what I can. Btw I'm doing ok in spite of how bad things are here in Fl. While housing is starting to tick up on a national level Tampa still going down. Might have a new job, working on it and over all happy. You see my reality has very little to do with what libs say day in day out about the right and I'm thankful. Ta ta.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155188 Nov 20, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all. As a matter of fact, I feel I have more reason than ever to remain sharp and at the top of my game and work to be the healthiest I've ever been. I'm at an age where I'm pretty sure that the older one is the less healthcare will be available to them. my husband is not as healthy (not through his own fault) and I will need to be sharp to oppose Obama healthcare options at every turn to be sure my husband gets what he needs. I'm rather excited about it. I like a good battle.
You bet!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#155189 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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No thanks. I am here with eyes wide open. I've done what I can. Btw I'm doing ok in spite of how bad things are here in Fl. While housing is starting to tick up on a national level Tampa still going down. Might have a new job, working on it and over all happy. You see my reality has very little to do with what libs say day in day out about the right and I'm thankful. Ta ta.
Good for you then.

Just watch. Things will improve.

Concentrate on your personal life, and remember, we're all Americans. You are the loyal opposition.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#155190 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Wrong. Many people want to be stoned so that become numb and don't have to deal with the truth.
What truth would that be? That their life sucks? That they have demons to deal with? What do you know of such things? One doesn't think their way out of everything, especially mental illness. How does one erase low self-esteem? You are partly correct.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#155191 Nov 20, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Being a clinician I have seen and come to know intimately dual diagnosis people. I think they'd all to the last one say "just say no" is not an oversimplification. It really IS as simple as that. It's after people start using that it becomes very, very complicated.
That's easy to say. Let's say the person's life really sucks. It sucks due to alcoholism, drug addiction and depression. The person lives in a neighborhood where crime is rampant. The person also has a history of being sexually abused. How our truck drive friend encounters her in the parking lot. She is like a rabid dog and lashes out. She has never experienced a day of love in her life. She cannot recognize an act of love when the other person offers her a donut. She is going to just say no? I doubt it. What does she have to look forward too in life? First she needs to recognize that her life sucks and seek help. She needs to lover herself enough to do that. This is highly unlikely because she has such low self-esteem that she hates herself and is on a self-destructive path. She needs serious therapy but nobody is going to help her get it. Just say no. What do you have to offer this individual and those like her?

Are you kidding me?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155192 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Talk to the states that did it or are doing it. Want to take money out of the defense budget to pay for it? Want to pay more in taxes to pay for it? I already told you it cost more than it saved so you have to pay for it someway.
You going to take me up on my offer? You foot the bill and any money saved is yours?
Or are you just a Republican finding ways to spend other peoples money?
I'm willing to cut the Department of Education to pay for it. If that's not enough, I'd be willing to cut the Department of Energy too. If we still need more, there's always the EPA budget.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155193 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Lets not forget the farmers and oil people.
Wow, almost 3,900 mindless messages already.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#155194 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Lets go to your original statement:
"The REAL problem is that today a large group of people now exists who are willing, even eager to give up their personal liberties in exchange for the government running their lives. That this group is enormous, enough to bankrupt America, became clear on November 6."
Now I will admit there may be one or two or even a few. Beyond that your post is much dumber than mine. Further it paints a terrible, almost Republicanesque picture of America.

I am calling you on your story. I don't know of any pubic assistance that ends with the earning of one dollar. Even unemployment in Virginia does not do that. Perhaps your state is different? Got a link?

I live about 6 miles from a Baors Head meat packing plant and have Perdue Chicken not far away. East of me is a pork plant. You qualify for food stamps with a family of four and up to $24K in income. Now, you don't qualify for the full-load, but you qualify for some. Same with public housing. Your subsidy is based on your income. And they could have worked continuously from the day that they got out of HS.
You are the one being naive. Even Governor Huckebee does not agree with you on this.
But thanks for one more example of Republicans believing their own rhetoric.
But you have an excellent chance to prove me wrong. All you have to do is post the rules for public assistance.
I already know it won't be worth your time.
"Calling me on my story"?!? Are you calling me a liar? This incident really did happen, but it was many years ago. More to the point, I have no idea exactly what kind of assistance the young man was receiving, or why or for how long he'd been receiving it. That was none of my business.

You still haven't answered my question. Why did you continue to praise Obama while telling everyone here you were going to vote for Romney?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#155195 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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That's easy to say. Let's say the person's life really sucks. It sucks due to alcoholism, drug addiction and depression. The person lives in a neighborhood where crime is rampant. The person also has a history of being sexually abused. How our truck drive friend encounters her in the parking lot. She is like a rabid dog and lashes out. She has never experienced a day of love in her life. She cannot recognize an act of love when the other person offers her a donut. She is going to just say no? I doubt it. What does she have to look forward too in life? First she needs to recognize that her life sucks and seek help. She needs to lover herself enough to do that. This is highly unlikely because she has such low self-esteem that she hates herself and is on a self-destructive path. She needs serious therapy but nobody is going to help her get it. Just say no. What do you have to offer this individual and those like her?
The lies of Santa Claus obama... he'll promise her anyhing.

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