Bush is a hero

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#155182 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Wrong. Many people want to be stoned so that become numb and don't have to deal with the truth.
That may be what you right wingers need at this point.

Escape from the painful reality.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#155183 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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YEs, test them and if they fail send them jail, pay an attorney to represent them and then send them off to jail for a longer time. That is much cheaper than letting them stay home and watch the kids.
Huh? Is that the drugs talking. Who said anything about jail?

They don't receive benefits until they get clean... the only benefit we should pay for.
okb2 wrote:
Then you can put the kids in a foster home and pay them to keep the kids.[/UOTE]

Is there a little voice in your head telling you these things, because it sure wasn't me?

[QUOTE who="okb2"]Kids from a single parent home have a much greater chance of dropping out of school and going on welfare or jail themselves. Locking Mom up makes jail routine and a normal part of life. It also greatly increases their already poor chances of being self-sufficient.
True. So why would we want to reward them to have more children?
okb2 wrote:
Since Mom can no longer get support her kids go in the system.
Mom could always conider getting a job. now, that's radical thinking, but it's a thought.
okb2 wrote:
Generations later someone wants to drug test again.
Yes, they do cost us money in many ways.
but Florida found that despite Republican rhetoric, there just were not that many on drugs.
Then there's no problem... in Florida.
okb2 wrote:
The added burden on the state just was not worth cost. I suggest you talk to Texas about it. Tell them you are willing to foot the bill.
I'm so happy for Florida.

Since: Jun 08

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#155184 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Fine, you don't take drugs. I commend you. I recall having a conversation with a police detective about a murder victim I knew well.
Detective Jones asked, "Did she start off smoking pot?"
I asked Jones, "Do you ever drink?"
Detective Jones replied, "We all have a drink or two after work."
I replied, "That's how Jennifer (the victim) started too."
The fact is people get injured or suffer mental illness. Some are simply medicating themselves. There are many reasons why people drink, smoke, or do drugs. "Just say no" is an over simplification.
Being a clinician I have seen and come to know intimately dual diagnosis people. I think they'd all to the last one say "just say no" is not an oversimplification. It really IS as simple as that. It's after people start using that it becomes very, very complicated.

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#155185 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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That may be what you right wingers need at this point.
Escape from the painful reality.
Not at all. As a matter of fact, I feel I have more reason than ever to remain sharp and at the top of my game and work to be the healthiest I've ever been. I'm at an age where I'm pretty sure that the older one is the less healthcare will be available to them. my husband is not as healthy (not through his own fault) and I will need to be sharp to oppose Obama healthcare options at every turn to be sure my husband gets what he needs. I'm rather excited about it. I like a good battle.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#155186 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>I am not against drug screening provided it saves money. I think if you are for drug screening you should be willing to foot the bill. However, I am willing to let you keep all the money you save doing it in return for footing the bill.
I suggest you talk to your Texas legistlature about it.
Investigating murders costs money too, and there's absolutely no chance of bringing back the dead... should we stop spending those $$$? Sometimes we spend money because it's the right thing to do.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155187 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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That may be what you right wingers need at this point.
Escape from the painful reality.
No thanks. I am here with eyes wide open. I've done what I can. Btw I'm doing ok in spite of how bad things are here in Fl. While housing is starting to tick up on a national level Tampa still going down. Might have a new job, working on it and over all happy. You see my reality has very little to do with what libs say day in day out about the right and I'm thankful. Ta ta.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#155188 Nov 20, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all. As a matter of fact, I feel I have more reason than ever to remain sharp and at the top of my game and work to be the healthiest I've ever been. I'm at an age where I'm pretty sure that the older one is the less healthcare will be available to them. my husband is not as healthy (not through his own fault) and I will need to be sharp to oppose Obama healthcare options at every turn to be sure my husband gets what he needs. I'm rather excited about it. I like a good battle.
You bet!

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#155189 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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No thanks. I am here with eyes wide open. I've done what I can. Btw I'm doing ok in spite of how bad things are here in Fl. While housing is starting to tick up on a national level Tampa still going down. Might have a new job, working on it and over all happy. You see my reality has very little to do with what libs say day in day out about the right and I'm thankful. Ta ta.
Good for you then.

Just watch. Things will improve.

Concentrate on your personal life, and remember, we're all Americans. You are the loyal opposition.

Since: Aug 11

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#155190 Nov 20, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Wrong. Many people want to be stoned so that become numb and don't have to deal with the truth.
What truth would that be? That their life sucks? That they have demons to deal with? What do you know of such things? One doesn't think their way out of everything, especially mental illness. How does one erase low self-esteem? You are partly correct.

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#155191 Nov 20, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Being a clinician I have seen and come to know intimately dual diagnosis people. I think they'd all to the last one say "just say no" is not an oversimplification. It really IS as simple as that. It's after people start using that it becomes very, very complicated.
That's easy to say. Let's say the person's life really sucks. It sucks due to alcoholism, drug addiction and depression. The person lives in a neighborhood where crime is rampant. The person also has a history of being sexually abused. How our truck drive friend encounters her in the parking lot. She is like a rabid dog and lashes out. She has never experienced a day of love in her life. She cannot recognize an act of love when the other person offers her a donut. She is going to just say no? I doubt it. What does she have to look forward too in life? First she needs to recognize that her life sucks and seek help. She needs to lover herself enough to do that. This is highly unlikely because she has such low self-esteem that she hates herself and is on a self-destructive path. She needs serious therapy but nobody is going to help her get it. Just say no. What do you have to offer this individual and those like her?

Are you kidding me?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#155192 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Talk to the states that did it or are doing it. Want to take money out of the defense budget to pay for it? Want to pay more in taxes to pay for it? I already told you it cost more than it saved so you have to pay for it someway.
You going to take me up on my offer? You foot the bill and any money saved is yours?
Or are you just a Republican finding ways to spend other peoples money?
I'm willing to cut the Department of Education to pay for it. If that's not enough, I'd be willing to cut the Department of Energy too. If we still need more, there's always the EPA budget.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

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#155193 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Lets not forget the farmers and oil people.
Wow, almost 3,900 mindless messages already.

Since: Apr 07

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#155194 Nov 20, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Lets go to your original statement:
"The REAL problem is that today a large group of people now exists who are willing, even eager to give up their personal liberties in exchange for the government running their lives. That this group is enormous, enough to bankrupt America, became clear on November 6."
Now I will admit there may be one or two or even a few. Beyond that your post is much dumber than mine. Further it paints a terrible, almost Republicanesque picture of America.

I am calling you on your story. I don't know of any pubic assistance that ends with the earning of one dollar. Even unemployment in Virginia does not do that. Perhaps your state is different? Got a link?

I live about 6 miles from a Baors Head meat packing plant and have Perdue Chicken not far away. East of me is a pork plant. You qualify for food stamps with a family of four and up to $24K in income. Now, you don't qualify for the full-load, but you qualify for some. Same with public housing. Your subsidy is based on your income. And they could have worked continuously from the day that they got out of HS.
You are the one being naive. Even Governor Huckebee does not agree with you on this.
But thanks for one more example of Republicans believing their own rhetoric.
But you have an excellent chance to prove me wrong. All you have to do is post the rules for public assistance.
I already know it won't be worth your time.
"Calling me on my story"?!? Are you calling me a liar? This incident really did happen, but it was many years ago. More to the point, I have no idea exactly what kind of assistance the young man was receiving, or why or for how long he'd been receiving it. That was none of my business.

You still haven't answered my question. Why did you continue to praise Obama while telling everyone here you were going to vote for Romney?

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

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#155195 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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That's easy to say. Let's say the person's life really sucks. It sucks due to alcoholism, drug addiction and depression. The person lives in a neighborhood where crime is rampant. The person also has a history of being sexually abused. How our truck drive friend encounters her in the parking lot. She is like a rabid dog and lashes out. She has never experienced a day of love in her life. She cannot recognize an act of love when the other person offers her a donut. She is going to just say no? I doubt it. What does she have to look forward too in life? First she needs to recognize that her life sucks and seek help. She needs to lover herself enough to do that. This is highly unlikely because she has such low self-esteem that she hates herself and is on a self-destructive path. She needs serious therapy but nobody is going to help her get it. Just say no. What do you have to offer this individual and those like her?
The lies of Santa Claus obama... he'll promise her anyhing.

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#155196 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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You are very happy to scape goat people on assistance. You have any way to create jobs and employment?
Well, you're even more of a jerk than I thought. But I'll have a crack at it anyway.

I'VE been on public assistance, buster. And all of the long-time regulars here know it. My husband was unemployed for NINE MONTHS two or three years ago, during which time he and I needed public assistance in the form of food stamps, health care and several other ways.(And that doesn't even take into account the help my now 80+ year old father gave us, or that from people at our church). But WE didn't MAKE A LIFESTYLE of it. As soon as hubby was gainfully employed again (and is still with that company today) we weaned ourselves off public assistance.

I think it would have been easy to remain on p. a. longer if we'd wanted. I WAS tempted, and all that would have been needed was a little fudging and a few lies. So I can see how others would be tempted as well, but BEING TEMPTED DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY. Being on public assistance when you don't need to be is STEALING. It's stealing from the people who really need p.a., and it's stealing from the taxpayers who provide the money required.

Did you see that report, a few months ago, of a woman in Michigan who was discovered to still be accepting public assistance even though she'd won a couple million bucks in a lottery and owned TWO homes?(She died a few months later, I'm not sure why). You think I or you or anyone else SHOULDN'T criticize that?

I am no saint, that's for sure, but I DO have a fairly well-developed sense of right and wrong. I am NOT one of those wusses out there who says "we have no right to judge." Yes, we DO, and yes, we should--at least in those cases where the facts are known and/or are such that the conduct being judged is indefensible no matter what the facts behind it happen to be. I never did care for euphemisms, and I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade, as the British put it. I will therefore continue to strongly criticize people who are needlessly using public assistance, and public policies which encourage irresponsibility and laziness. There are reasons why the numbers of people on p. a. have skyrocketed over the last 20-30 years. I'm willing to say so, even if YOU'RE not.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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#155197 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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That's easy to say. Let's say the person's life really sucks. It sucks due to alcoholism, drug addiction and depression. The person lives in a neighborhood where crime is rampant. The person also has a history of being sexually abused. How our truck drive friend encounters her in the parking lot. She is like a rabid dog and lashes out. She has never experienced a day of love in her life. She cannot recognize an act of love when the other person offers her a donut. She is going to just say no? I doubt it. What does she have to look forward too in life? First she needs to recognize that her life sucks and seek help. She needs to lover herself enough to do that. This is highly unlikely because she has such low self-esteem that she hates herself and is on a self-destructive path. She needs serious therapy but nobody is going to help her get it. Just say no. What do you have to offer this individual and those like her?
Are you kidding me?
Unfortunately, mental illness may pre-dispose some people to self-medication - but illicit drug use is nearly ALWAYS a choice.(The one exception being when a person drugs another without the other's knowledge or consent.) Most drug users are not mentally ill when they first use drugs, and although addiction is a mental illness, the choice to use or abstain is always with the potential user. People quit using hideously addictive drugs every day - but first they have to choose to.

It's that whole 'personal responsibility' thing.

Still not kidding.

Since: Aug 11

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#155198 Nov 20, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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Well, you're even more of a jerk than I thought. But I'll have a crack at it anyway.
I'VE been on public assistance, buster. And all of the long-time regulars here know it. My husband was unemployed for NINE MONTHS two or three years ago, during which time he and I needed public assistance in the form of food stamps, health care and several other ways.(And that doesn't even take into account the help my now 80+ year old father gave us, or that from people at our church). But WE didn't MAKE A LIFESTYLE of it. As soon as hubby was gainfully employed again (and is still with that company today) we weaned ourselves off public assistance.
I think it would have been easy to remain on p. a. longer if we'd wanted. I WAS tempted, and all that would have been needed was a little fudging and a few lies. So I can see how others would be tempted as well, but BEING TEMPTED DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY. Being on public assistance when you don't need to be is STEALING. It's stealing from the people who really need p.a., and it's stealing from the taxpayers who provide the money required.
Did you see that report, a few months ago, of a woman in Michigan who was discovered to still be accepting public assistance even though she'd won a couple million bucks in a lottery and owned TWO homes?(She died a few months later, I'm not sure why). You think I or you or anyone else SHOULDN'T criticize that?
I am no saint, that's for sure, but I DO have a fairly well-developed sense of right and wrong. I am NOT one of those wusses out there who says "we have no right to judge." Yes, we DO, and yes, we should--at least in those cases where the facts are known and/or are such that the conduct being judged is indefensible no matter what the facts behind it happen to be. I never did care for euphemisms, and I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade, as the British put it. I will therefore continue to strongly criticize people who are needlessly using public assistance, and public policies which encourage irresponsibility and laziness. There are reasons why the numbers of people on p. a. have skyrocketed over the last 20-30 years. I'm willing to say so, even if YOU'RE not.
Thanks for your candid response. Would you have been able to get by without public assistance? I agree, it sure ain't much of a lifestyle. I have never even collected unemployment much less public assistance. Somehow I have always been able to scrape by. I disagree with your assessment that public policies as being a root cause. We simply don't have the job base we once had. We import too much stuff and have exported good paying jobs all over the place. That is a formula for disaster.

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#155199 Nov 20, 2012
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, mental illness may pre-dispose some people to self-medication - but illicit drug use is nearly ALWAYS a choice.(The one exception being when a person drugs another without the other's knowledge or consent.) Most drug users are not mentally ill when they first use drugs, and although addiction is a mental illness, the choice to use or abstain is always with the potential user. People quit using hideously addictive drugs every day - but first they have to choose to.
It's that whole 'personal responsibility' thing.
Still not kidding.
What person in their right mind would want to do drugs? Most people I know who have been addicted to drugs did so because they had problems of one kind or another. Life is hard. Life is harder when you are stupid. Drugs make you stupid.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#155200 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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You have a very poor record for predictions so far.
0 for 1? Yeah that's pretty "miserable" ain't it, genius.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#155201 Nov 20, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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What person in their right mind would want to do drugs? Most people I know who have been addicted to drugs did so because they had problems of one kind or another. Life is hard. Life is harder when you are stupid. Drugs make you stupid.
Life is hard at times - this is universally true. But drug use is not universal. Most people don't even find it tempting. For those that are tempted, there are two choices. They all make one.

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