Bush is a hero

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139572 Jul 24, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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I'm not a big fan of McCain but I think in 08 anyone on the right would have lost. The machine that raged against Bush for 8 years did get some traction and some fell for hope and change. But today, really? We've had huge change and not for the good. To my mind the saddest thing is Obama is not only just another long line of bad politicians but the wost Pres in my lifetime, perhaps worse than Nixon for some of the same reasons. And we call this guy an example for the young? Most of the time his words do not meet his actions. He speaks about how its wrong to bully and he like everything else does just what he says not to. His word is worthless and I pray he is not elected again.
I am not sure I agree with you there, Chris. I think McCain slit his throat with conservatives a long time ago with some of the stands he has taken and then with McCain Feingold. It was impossible for him to overcome his own record with Conservatives. With McCain the Reps just stayed home while the college students turned out in droves. The Dems had a 7% advantage in the last election. I don't think it is going to be that way this time. Take heart!

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#139573 Jul 24, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Even IF a person on the right wanted a theocracy it couldn't happen here.
But if that's true, why is the 'right' fulminating against Sharia Law? Theocracy can't happen here? What are you so worried about Muslims for then?

Huh?

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139575 Jul 24, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>To security officials, certainly.
To the general public, I'm not sure. I can't say for certain that I knew of them then, but it's possible. I follow international relations, particularly the Middle East, pretty closely, and they were already known to be working against Mubarak in Egypt by then, among other things.
And from what I could tell from Obama and Mrs. Clinton, they were supportive of the overthrow of Mubarak by the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, knowing that they have all information at their fingertips, what do you think the view from the top was in 1996 when Clinton was also supporting the guy who wanted to overthrow secular Turkey?
I am thinking that the administrations (Clinton, Obama) were not too concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood and did not vet Huma on that basis.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#139576 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Look Willie, YOU inserted yerself into this thing, in post #139505, from out of the complete blue, no less. I didn't invite you, nor did I include you in any pevious posts. YOU stuck yer mouth in it, in an attempt to marginalize my response to the loon. I think yer short-term memory is either failing you, or yer even more partisan than I knew...
OKB tried to engage you on the Bachmann thing.

I replied with a satiric post (139505) paraphrasing what I thought your responses might be. The fact that you're not talking to him never even occurred to me.

I shouldn't have replied to #139515, and I apologize.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#139578 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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Thats always yer response to such imformation... You will just go on pretending that McCain, Bush, Obama, Boehner and the others know more about Islam, than the Blind Sheik, Osama and other learned Islamicists.
This makes no sense.

I'm no more pretending than you are, Higgins. I just don't agree with you and Pern on this.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Lutz, FL

#139579 Jul 24, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>But if that's true, why is the 'right' fulminating against Sharia Law? Theocracy can't happen here? What are you so worried about Muslims for then?
Huh?
Because its not the same thing. This is way way over the head of this truck driver but I know enough to know that the small numbers in extreme Islam will use our system of freedoms against us.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Lutz, FL

#139580 Jul 24, 2012
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not sure I agree with you there, Chris. I think McCain slit his throat with conservatives a long time ago with some of the stands he has taken and then with McCain Feingold. It was impossible for him to overcome his own record with Conservatives. With McCain the Reps just stayed home while the college students turned out in droves. The Dems had a 7% advantage in the last election. I don't think it is going to be that way this time. Take heart!
Hope so. I still don't get it. Obama goes on late night just like Clinton, he is cool so pay no mind to his policy postions. No doubt the bloom is off this rose now.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139581 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
Speaking of "short-term memory", wasn't there another case ofa leftwing loon attacking a church, before he was shot by a woman, who happened to have a CCW? If I'm not mistaken, that incident also took place in Colorado.
But ultimately, I believe commonsense will win out in this debate, because even as we speak, applications for CCP are way up in many US states, since that loon attacked the soft-target theater.
That incident did take place here. I don't remember his politics but he was bent on murdering Christians. The woman was a volunteer security guard.

AURORA, Colo.-- Background checks for people wanting to buy guns in Colorado jumped more than 41 percent after Friday morning's shooting at an Aurora movie theater, and firearms instructors say they're also seeing increased interest in the training required for a concealed-carry permit...
Between Friday and Sunday, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm -- a 43 percent increase over the previous Friday through Sunday and a 39 percent jump over those same days on the first weekend of July.
The biggest spike was on Friday, when there were 1,216 checks, a 43 percent increase over the average number for the previous two Fridays.
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_21...

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#139582 Jul 24, 2012
Pernrider wrote:
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And from what I could tell from Obama and Mrs. Clinton, they were supportive of the overthrow of Mubarak by the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, knowing that they have all information at their fingertips, what do you think the view from the top was in 1996 when Clinton was also supporting the guy who wanted to overthrow secular Turkey?
I am thinking that the administrations (Clinton, Obama) were not too concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood and did not vet Huma on that basis.
You speak of Obama and Clinton as being "supportive of the overthrow of Mubarak", as if they had any other option.

That train was on its way into the station. We could stand in front of it and get run over, or we could stand on the platform and boo - but what good would that do?

I'm not even going to get into the Fethullah Gulen stuff, as what he actually did to get charged with 'inciting a revolution' is in considerable dispute - charges he was acquitted of in 2008 in a Turkish court, I might add.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#139583 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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So far, I have seen no evidence of violence in Tea Party rallies... Please advise me if yer more privy to any evidence to the contrary....
Otherwise, I agree with that, Willie, that "the attack was against a target with no political value discernible to a sane mind".

But OTOH, OWS has been doing irrational things, where their delusional rants leads them to physically attack seemingly apolitical targets. Thats why I was befuddled by the series of praises that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and other Democrats heaped on the OWS crowd. I guess you and I may not readily see the "political value", but Obama and company apparently does....

OWS protesters have also commited many felonies, including murder. They have deliberately targeted children, walking on the streets.... So I don't see why it would require such monumental leaping to imagine them shooting people in a theater.
I don't, either. So far, I haven't heard anything about Holmes to suggest that he is connected with any political movement at all. But any so-called political movement that would HARASS CHILDREN ON THE STREET is surely capable of just about anything. So as you say, it's not a monumental leap just to IMAGINE one of the OWS protesters shooting at strangers in a darkened, crowded theater, although I don't believe that's what happened in Aurora, CO.

I really wish ALL political parties, politicians, commentators, news analysts, whoever--would just plain keep their big mouths shut and not speculate on Holmes' political or religious views. His political and religious views, whatever they might happen to be, are irrelevant. He murdered 12 people and injured scores more. That's what matters here.

Mind you, I realize I'm not going to get my wish.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139584 Jul 24, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You speak of Obama and Clinton as being "supportive of the overthrow of Mubarak", as if they had any other option.
That train was on its way into the station. We could stand in front of it and get run over, or we could stand on the platform and boo - but what good would that do?
I'm not even going to get into the Fethullah Gulen stuff, as what he actually did to get charged with 'inciting a revolution' is in considerable dispute - charges he was acquitted of in 2008 in a Turkish court, I might add.
Obama didn't just shrug his shoulders. He called for Mubarak to step down.
As for Gulen:

"In 1998, Gülen departed for the United States, reportedly to receive medical treatment for diabetes. However, his absence also enabled Gülen to escape questioning on his indictment in 2000 for allegedly promoting insurrection in Turkey in a series of secretly-recorded sermons. Since his voluntary exile, Gülen has resided on a large, rural estate in eastern Pennsylvania, together with about 100 followers, who guard him and tend to his needs. These servants are educated men who wear suits and ties and do not look like traditional Islamists in cloaks and turbans. They follow their hocaefendi's orders and even refrain from marrying until age fifty per his instructions. When they do marry, their spouses are expected to dress in the Islamic manner, as dictated by Gülen himself.[11] It is from his U.S. base that Gülen has built his fame and his transnational empire."

He is a subversive intent on taking moderate Muslim nations, or in Turkey's case, secular Muslim nations, as well as non Muslim nations and making them Muslim by a gradual shift. Who is running Turkey now? One of his followers.
and its not just Muslim nations he's interested in:

"suspicion about Gülen indoctrination has spread even to more permissive societies such as that of the Netherlands. In 2008, members of the Netherland's Christian Democrat, Labor, and Conservative parties agreed to cut several million euros in government funding for organizations affiliated with "the Turkish imam Fethullah Gülen" and to thoroughly investigate the activities of the Gülen group after Erik Jan Zürcher, director of the Amsterdam-based International Institute for Social History, and five former Gülen followers who had worked in Gülen's &#305;&#351;&#305; kevi told Dutch television that the Gülen community was moving step-by-step to topple the secular order."

Gulen is not a subversive and he has a very nice spread in Pennsylvania. Gotta love that.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#139585 Jul 24, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Keep singing, bob. Maybe it will put me to sleep.......
But I wouldn't make any bets on it.
You ain't EVEN worth it, butch dog!

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#139586 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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For the most part I agree with this post. But I do take exception to the idea that a theater chain, with presumably a stable of lawyers couldn't have foreseen or in some way, better prepared for this massacre. This is an age, in the wake of VTEC and others. For crying out loud, they were physically located less than 20 miles from Columbine.

If the theater owners decided to allow guns, then it wouldn't be so difficult to assume the types of scenarios that might play out, as RG and others have alluded to. Likewise, in this scenario, where they banned guns in their establishment, they should have easily been able to respond to what played out, in light of whats taken place in the last 20 years....
I really doubt theater owners will begin typically allowing guns in their theaters. But I also think theater owners either have or soon will sit up and take notice of what this massacre means for them. I predict that within a year, two at the outside, most theaters will be equipped with metal detectors, like the ones airports and courts have, that you must pass through in order to get inside the theater.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#139588 Jul 24, 2012
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a few theaters have had metal detectors for several years already.

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139590 Jul 24, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>I really doubt theater owners will begin typically allowing guns in their theaters. But I also think theater owners either have or soon will sit up and take notice of what this massacre means for them. I predict that within a year, two at the outside, most theaters will be equipped with metal detectors, like the ones airports and courts have, that you must pass through in order to get inside the theater.
Not all theaters take the stand against conceal carry that this one did. A metal detector would not have worked with this guy. He brought his guns in the emergency door.

“Help Cecil Help!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#139591 Jul 24, 2012
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama didn't just shrug his shoulders. He called for Mubarak to step down.
And?

The situation in Egypt with the Mubarak regime was unsustainable. He was going, and it was not within the power of the United States of America to stop it.

The only way Mubarak could have even attempted to stay in power is to do what Assad is doing in Syria - and that would not be in the interests of anyone, including the United States and Israel.

(I suppose I should also mention the Egyptians, it being their country and all.)

The United States didn't have the option of 'shrugging its shoulders'.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#139592 Jul 24, 2012
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
From Walid Shoebat:
Al-Liwa Al-Arabi (translated here) claims to have leaked an extensive list, which was partially published by Al-Jazeera and several other major Arab newspapers. The detailed list included Huma’s mother, Saleha Abedin, as belonging to the Brotherhood’s secret women's division known as the Muslim Sisterhood or what is known as the International Women's Organization (IWO). Egyptian Al-Dostor revealed that the Sisternood included 63 International members that span 16 different countries; it's also confirmed by the Arab Centre for Studies, headed by researcher Abdul Rahim Ali. Neither Huma nor any major western media outlet even mention what is common knowledge in the Arab world. Yet, confirmed by Arab sources – is that Huma Abedin has a brother named Hassan Abedin who works at Oxford University...
... the “Clinton family” played a key role in promoting the extremely powerful Turkish Imam and notorious Islamist conspirator Fethullah Gülen, as he fled Turkey for the United States after attempting to overthrow Turkey's secular government, a charge over which he was indicted in 2000. In 2008, the former president heaped praise on Gülen, giving him a clean slate. Gülen is given refuge and has even had his sermons aired on Turkish television, during which he explained to his followers how to best seize power from the Turkish government:
“You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers... until the conditions are ripe... Until that time, any step taken would be too early – like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside.”
Gülen expressed this sentiment in another sermon as well:
“The philosophy of our service is that we open a house somewhere and, with the patience of a spider, we lay our web to wait for people to get caught in the web; and we teach those who do.”
http://www.shoebat.com/documents/secretConnec...
Who is Walid Shoebat? http://www.shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/who...
She needs to be looked at very carefully.
And the proper avenue for that, unless she has been charged with something, is those that take of her security clearence. Further, her mother teaches college so it should be relatively easy to find out what she is up to.

Finally, is the this the guy that someone assisted with exiting Turkey? And was the young lady involved in that as well?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_Gulen_...

Are you really believing this? Or you just trying to make points with DS?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#139593 Jul 24, 2012
Pernrider wrote:
<quoted text>
From Walid Shoebat:
Al-Liwa Al-Arabi (translated here) claims to have leaked an extensive list, which was partially published by Al-Jazeera and several other major Arab newspapers. The detailed list included Huma’s mother, Saleha Abedin, as belonging to the Brotherhood’s secret women's division known as the Muslim Sisterhood or what is known as the International Women's Organization (IWO). Egyptian Al-Dostor revealed that the Sisternood included 63 International members that span 16 different countries; it's also confirmed by the Arab Centre for Studies, headed by researcher Abdul Rahim Ali. Neither Huma nor any major western media outlet even mention what is common knowledge in the Arab world. Yet, confirmed by Arab sources – is that Huma Abedin has a brother named Hassan Abedin who works at Oxford University...
... the “Clinton family” played a key role in promoting the extremely powerful Turkish Imam and notorious Islamist conspirator Fethullah Gülen, as he fled Turkey for the United States after attempting to overthrow Turkey's secular government, a charge over which he was indicted in 2000. In 2008, the former president heaped praise on Gülen, giving him a clean slate. Gülen is given refuge and has even had his sermons aired on Turkish television, during which he explained to his followers how to best seize power from the Turkish government:
“You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers... until the conditions are ripe... Until that time, any step taken would be too early – like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside.”
Gülen expressed this sentiment in another sermon as well:
“The philosophy of our service is that we open a house somewhere and, with the patience of a spider, we lay our web to wait for people to get caught in the web; and we teach those who do.”
http://www.shoebat.com/documents/secretConnec...
Who is Walid Shoebat? http://www.shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/who...
She needs to be looked at very carefully.
Quick, what years did McCartney die and Bachman was born?

http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_2111944...

“On a sailing ship to nowhere”

Since: Jun 07

Colorado

#139594 Jul 24, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
... But I also pointed out this individual has been on Clinton's staff since 1996 so she would already have been through the investigation process twice (at least) for a security clearance.
This was not an issue at all until the Muslim Brotherhood became a topic in Egypt, otherwise why wait 18 year of her being with Clinton, 3 of which were as Secretary of State.
In other words, a little late in the game unless she was investigating all the others first.
I suspect that Bachman likes her name in the lights like most politicians.
Alger Hiss

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#139595 Jul 24, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The socalled "silent treatment" is what YOU have been talking about, Willie. But I don't know what that has to do with me...? I reserve the right to respond or not respond to any poster, the way I choose.
In the case of the Virginia-loon, I have stated clearly that I despise and won't respond to him on ANY of the issues, or even on the non-issues. But since he seems bent on responding to everything I say, I will periodically use those posts, by him, to remind him just how odious he is to me.
I find it quite telling that you seemingly aren't able to grasp the obvious here.
This is a first. Before it was all about ignoring. Now you have graduated to selected responses..........what is the difference between that and what you did the last 20 posts with Willie?

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